Holland making Schneider a priority

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Smyth is not going to come to Detroit. He's going back to Edmonton.

No he isnt , Why would he go to a team that wont make the playoffs till he's at least 36 , and when he's that old he wont be as effective. It makes zero sense for Smyth to go to edmonton.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I recall Don Cherry making a big deal outta the potential for him to return to Edmonton - more or less calling Smyth a phony if he does re-sign.

No he won't come here, but some think he'll wind up in either Calgary, or Toronto.

Why wont he come here ? He isnt worth 7 or even 6 million. He's worth what we'll offer 4.5 million.

Calgary isnt a contender , he wants a stanley cup , were a contender. And dude , Toronto wont win a cup while Smyth is playing , It makes zero sense for him to go to NYI, Leafs , Flames , Oilers. None are contenders , hes stated many times he wants to go where he'd get the best chance to win the cup.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

What makes sense doesn't always matter when big $$$ comes into play ie why would a highly regarded netminder like Khabibulin sign with the Blackhawks? Granted he had just won a Cup with TB, but Chicago threw tons of $$$ his way, & he bit...Now the Bulin Wall is probably kicking himself.

Getting back to Smyth; I will say you have a very valid point concerning Smyth wanting his name on the Cup, but will he accept what Detroit has to offer ie $3.5 to $4.5 million per season ($4.5 being very generous)? Who knows how much $$$ Dom, Cheli, Schneids, Bert, & potentially commrade Markov will get? What's left over may not be any more than $3 or $3.5 million tops - mind you Holland may want to leave $1.5 to $2 million in cap space for emergency use/trade deadline.

I would love to see the Mullett-Headed Smyth flying up, & down Hanks/Dats left side, but as a pessimist I gotta realise that this most likely won't happen.

Good points , I agree with most of it , but I mean , who thought we'd get Hasek , Robataille and Hull in the span of 2 days. Granted it was a non salary cap era , but still.

I really really want to see Smyth here , Im praying and hoping , we'll just have to see what happens on July 1st.

[eva unit zero 271]

Good points , I agree with most of it , but I mean , who thought we'd get Hasek , Robataille and Hull in the span of 2 days. Granted it was a non salary cap era , but still.

It only takes two days to get from the beginning of July until the end of August? Wow, I've been using bad calendars for ages...

[Guest Agalloch]

Smyth is not coming here. Do you think we can just ignore the cap? And hey, I guess we COULD get Smyth, but then the rest of our roster is messed up and filled with s***ty players.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

It only takes two days to get from the beginning of July until the end of August? Wow, I've been using bad calendars for ages...

Didnt we sign Robataille the day after we got Hasek ? I was under the impression we did.

I forgot we got Hull later on

[eva unit zero 271]

Smyth is not coming here. Do you think we can just ignore the cap? And hey, I guess we COULD get Smyth, but then the rest of our roster is messed up and filled with s***ty players.

Hmm...

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Smyth is certainly attainable. Signing Smyth simply means no Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi was worthless in the postseason, until it didn't matter. Gimme Smyth instead.

[Lefkowitz 0]

why does everyone keep reminding me that we're the ones that should be facing off with the Sens?

just kiddin'.

Cory Sarich, Vitaly Vishnevski, & Craig Rivet are a few guys whom could fill the role that we need on D (stay @ home, physical, drops the gloves every now & again - well Vishnevski won't), but will they be a cheaper/better alternative to Markov?

Scott Hannan?? maybe?

oops! missed the CHEAPER part...Hannan won't be cheap.

Edited June 3, 2007 by Lefkowitz

[Mors 201]

I agree with what has been stated earlier in the thread...It's much harder to replace a defenseman like Schneider than it is to replace Markov. In addition, until Kronwall shows me something other than his ability to be seriously injured every season, I'm going to have to disagree with everyone who claims he's an ample replacement for Schneider's abilities.

[evil204 4]

I'd rather have Markov, but we'd have to get another guy (not necessarily a defenseman) who can shoot the puck from the point. Schneider is old, he's getting slow, he's not that great defensively, he sucked at getting the puck out of our zone, and he kept taking the same stupid cross-checking penalty all the time. If we sign Schneider instead of Markov, getting another (cheaper) physical defenseman is a MUST.

I'd say the Wings' inability to get the puck out of their zone was a bigger problem in the playoffs than the power play. We need to fix it for next season through free agency, and losing Markov in favor of Schneider will only make it worse.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'd rather have Markov, but we'd have to get another guy (not necessarily a defenseman) who can shoot the puck from the point. Schneider is old, he's getting slow, he's not that great defensively, he sucked at getting the puck out of our zone, and he kept taking the same stupid cross-checking penalty all the time. If we sign Schneider instead of Markov, getting another (cheaper) physical defenseman is a MUST.

I'd say the Wings' inability to get the puck out of their zone was a bigger problem in the playoffs than the power play. We need to fix it for next season through free agency, and losing Markov in favor of Schneider will only make it worse.

Schnieder's point shot is one of the best in the league , Schnieder moves the puck way better then Markov , He is physical and his defensive play isnt great , but hes an offensive defenceman.

I think every thing you just said there was totally ... wrong

[Bartek 0]

Letting Markov go won't hurt our defence as much as parting ways with Schneider will hurt our powerplay.

I'ts as simple as that - on D we have Lilja, Quincey, Meech to get Markov's spot, but do we have a player to replace Schneider on the point?

Saying Samuelsson is a joke and Kronvall is nowhere near Schneider's skills when it comes to moving and especially shooting the puck on the powerplay (at this point though).

[Kp-Wings 3]

Actually I'd have to say that Kronwall's skill level ranks right up there with Schneider's - it's just that he lacks the refinement/confidence/experience...If this kid can stay healthy I could see him getting 50 + points, & playing solid in his own end.

"If" is the key word here.

Schneider is so valuable to this team, and yet, everyone wants him gone. Our PP will go straight down the tubes without Schneider, and Kronwalls 1 PP goal this season isn't enough to convince he can be a full time replacement. We need Schneider, even if it is at the expense of Markov.

[vangvace 12]

"If" is the key word here.

Schneider is so valuable to this team, and yet, everyone wants him gone. Our PP will go straight down the tubes without Schneider, and Kronwalls 1 PP goal this season isn't enough to convince he can be a full time replacement. We need Schneider, even if it is at the expense of Markov.

I thought the PP was in the tubes this season?

Seriously though I'd like to know more about Schneider's injury and see from there.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I thought the PP was in the tubes this season?

Seriously though I'd like to know more about Schneider's injury and see from there.

It'll be even worse without him.

The reason the PP struggled this year is because we lost Shanahan. That's a small price to pay though. Overall, I'm glad Shanahan is gone, as he's grown increasingly soft and lazy the past few years. But, that's another subject for another day.

[vangvace 12]

It'll be even worse without him.

The reason the PP struggled this year is because we lost Shanahan. That's a small price to pay though. Overall, I'm glad Shanahan is gone, as he's grown increasingly soft and lazy the past few years. But, that's another subject for another day.

Sorry I couldn't resist the poke.

[spydrwebb 0]

It'll be even worse without him.

The reason the PP struggled this year is because we lost Shanahan. That's a small price to pay though. Overall, I'm glad Shanahan is gone, as he's grown increasingly soft and lazy the past few years. But, that's another subject for another day.

not looking to highjack a thread but what exactly is your idea of soft and lazy?

29 goals and 33 assists, not to mention a tremendous impact in areas of the game that don't make the stat sheet...

we miss shanahan, bottom line.

[bellarina 1]

we gotta bring back yzerman

I WISH!

[rick zombo 3,739]

I'd rather have Markov and Numminen or Sutton and Numminen for 5 million, than just Schneider for 4 or 4.5.

Numminen can play the power play and Markov/Sutton provides Detroit with much needed stay-at-home grit.

[eva unit zero 271]

I'd rather have Markov and Numminen or Sutton and Numminen for 5 million, than just Schneider for 4 or 4.5.

Numminen can play the power play and Markov/Sutton provides Detroit with much needed stay-at-home grit.

The Wings have enough cap space to spend 7 or 7.5 on Schneider/Markov or replacements. Schneider is one of the best defensemen in the league, but likely will end up costing somewhere between 3.5m-4m due to his age. When you compare him to other (especially offensively-minded) guys in that range, Schneider is a BARGAIN.

I've assembled a list of guys with 2007-08 cap numbers 3m and up who are generally similar players to Schneider--offensive minded guys who are average defensively.

Ed Jovanovski 6.5m

Rob Blake 6m

Bryan McCabe 5.75m

Pavel Kubina 5m

Sergei Gonchar 5m

Adrian Aucoin 4m

Derek Morris 3.9m

Marek Zidlicky 3.35m

Dan Boyle 3.33m

Filip Kuba 3m

The average salary here is about 4.6m. I would argue that Schneider is better than any player on this list, let alone better than the average player on this list. Conclusion: Schneider=bargain.

EDIT: And besides...Markov/Numminen would have cost more than 5m this year. Markov's salary is expected to increase, Numinen's likely as well since he seems to be so sought after. How do you propose to fit them both under 5m? Sutton and one of Markov/Numminen would only barely have fit under 5m this year, and all are UFAs expecting raises. Explain that math please?

Edited June 5, 2007 by eva unit zero

[#19forPresident! 1]

we miss shanahan, bottom line.

You're right, and you're wrong.

You're right that we miss the Shanahan of past that had amazing chemistry with the team, and who we couldn't picture playing anywhere else. The guy that would score clutch goals, and who wasn't afraid to stand up for his teammates and punch anyone getting too friendly with the rough stuff. But he left on his own steam, which means the magic for him was gone, and if the player doesn't have the desire to wear the uniform he's not going to play well in it anyway. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, he was offered a deal and for his own reasons opted to close that chapter of his career.

So I agree with you completely that the Shanahan who helped us win 3 cups is missed, I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but the problem is he doesn't exist anymore. He still has the same skills, and heart, but he's lost his motivation to play in Detroit, and without motivation he's just collecting a check. More power to him for getting out when he felt it was time. He could have stuck around unmotivated, and played poorly knowing his heart wasn't in it, only to get picked apart by us die-hards and the media. Instead he's doing alright for himself, he's a huge part of the Rangers success right now.

I guess my point is that while I'll always hold out hope that he finds that drive to be a Wing again, I think the guy has moved on and so should we. He's a great player, always was, and I'm sure he'll finish his already complete career that way. But it will be somewhere else, he'll always be one of my favorite players but his heart isn't in Hockeytown anymore.