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#21 Shockwave180

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ June 7, 2007 - 08:07AM) View Post

if they're fixing games to get the cup into non-traditional markets. Then why have the Preds been out in the first round every season?

I mean, if all they have to do is swing a cup this way to stop the bleeding, then why is there a vote at the end of the month to approve the sale of the franchise?

Geez, not only has bettman screwed up the game, and fixed it so that non-traditional markets are benefiting. But he can't even get his own twisted plan right to get the cup into the city that needs it the most.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:28 PM

I agree, but I think this is a well worn subject; we all agree that Bettman's tenure has been an utter disaster for the NHL.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:29 PM

I don't have a problem with small-market teams winning it. I also don't have a problem with Bettman's goal of expanding hockey by making smaller market teams more competitive. A team with moderate success is going to be more effective at attracting new fans than a team with a snowball's chance in hell at even making the playoffs.

What bothers me is that the cap disassembles all the talent of all of these teams right after they win the cup. The stupidity of Bettman's plan is that after generating interest in the smaller markets, their team falls apart the next season, allowing the fans to return to not caring. It just doesn't make sense. We'll probably see it with the Ducks. Giguere is going to want a lot of money to stay (like Khabibulin did after Tampa won), and as soon as the young stars get older and better, the team won't be able to sustain them anymore. We'll probably see the same thing happen with the Penguins and other developing teams.

I think this is a problem that needs to be addressed somehow.

EDIT: And to elaborate further, I'd like to point out that the teams that have really good fanbases are usually the ones that have the same players showing up year after year. Without Yzerman, McCarty, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Draper, Maltby and eventually Shanahan coming back each year, the Wings of the '90s would have lost their personality and appeal. Their fanbase wouldn't be where it is today if these players were shuttled out after each successful year. Why do you think there is so much damn nostalgia on these boards to bring back Feds, Kozzie, McCarty and other older players? You think the current Anaheim fans will feel the same way after their players leave in a few seasons? Probably not as much. You just can't design a system in which a team's core players are continually being exported to newer teams and expect fans to continue caring. It's dumb.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:30 PM

Yes garys an idiot but really people, the last three teams that won the cup had every right to win it. the fans aren't out there playing the game the players are, and each of the last three teams had great players out there. So what if the fans are just fare-weather fans. Anyone who lives in detroit should know about this really well. Anyone remember how many people would show up for a tigers game 3 years ago? But the min the win some games everyone is a tigers fan. So who care where the Cup is handed out each year, because its the players in those citys that earned it each year.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ June 7, 2007 - 01:28PM) View Post

I agree, but I think this is a well worn subject; we all agree that Bettman's tenure has been an utter disaster for the NHL.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:47 PM

Bettman lost many loyal fans to gain a few fly by night ignorant ones (insert Ducks fans here)

What a nice trade off, eh? clap.gif

First time in 25yrs I didn't follow hockey through the SCFs into Stanly Cup victory. (last 3yrs I started losing interest because every year it's becoming more and more of a joke)

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:49 PM

I didn't mean to imply that the teams that have won for the past 3 years didn't deserve to win. I was thinking more along the lines of that despite brilliant Gary's plan, most people in those cities that recently won just don't care. His whole plan to save hockey never worked out. The cities that have recently won just do not care. Even the Ducks players admitted that they've had to accept that hockey takes a back seat to just about everything else in SoCal. Sure, it's nice to have some privacy without being approached by fans all the time, but wouldn't it be nice to be at least recognized?


Good article on Bettman - http://msn.foxsports...l/story/6844396


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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:52 PM

What happens when you bring in a lawyer from the NBA with no hockey background to run the NHL?. He turns it into crap.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE(Hockeytown0001 @ June 7, 2007 - 01:49PM) View Post

I didn't mean to imply that the teams that have won for the past 3 years didn't deserve to win. I was thinking more along the lines of that despite brilliant Gary's plan, most people in those cities that recently won just don't care. His whole plan to save hockey never worked out. The cities that have recently won just do not care. Even the Ducks players admitted that they've had to accept that hockey takes a back seat to just about everything else in SoCal. Sure, it's nice to have some privacy without being approached by fans all the time, but wouldn't it be nice to be at least recognized?
Good article on Bettman - http://msn.foxsports...l/story/6844396

This would have been a much better way to start the thread, and I can empathize with a good portion of it.

Edited by Never Forget Mac #25, 07 June 2007 - 01:59 PM.

It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


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Posted 07 June 2007 - 02:10 PM

I've got the perfect solution!

You know how teams in European soccer leagues are only allowed a certain number of foreign players on their rosters? I believe this is still the case, though I don't really follow the sport....

Anyway, it should be required that 80 per cent of the players dressed for any NHL team are from a 100-mile radius of the team's arena. Of the remaining four players, one must be from anywhere in the team's home country, and three can be from anywhere on the globe.

This way, we'd practically eliminate the chance of any Southern-based team ever winning the Cup again, give Toronto an opportunity to win one before everyone from their last championship roster is dead, and encourage teams in non-traditional markets to either move or to start aggressive youth hockey programs and hockey development campaigns in their local areas.

Best idea ever. smile.gif

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE(Hockeytown0001 @ June 7, 2007 - 12:10PM) View Post

So this is the third year in a row that the most revered trophy in all of sports has been claimed by a non-traditional hockey market with fans who had no clue about the team that won it during the regular season. For the third year in a row, Bettman had a huge smile on his face at the conclusion of the SCF. Has anyone told him what the ratings of the SCF this year were? I didn't think they could get any worse than they did in 04, and then in 06. But apparently, when team from Southern California (which is the worst hockey market on Earth) makes the Finals, interest drops to a whole new low. I remember an article saying that the best thing for hockey would be to have a Detroit/New York SCF, because the ratings would be high due to the fact that the Wings are the most poplular American hockey team, and you know that New York is passionate about hockey as well. Most fans in Anaheim will forget about the Ducks come next week. I had a friend from Southern California who thought the Cup was filled with money and would be cracked open like a piniatta. crazy.gif Anyone remember that "Ducks are playing the Canadian team, the 'Minnesota Royals' thing?

And don't even get me started on the officiating. I almost can't watch hockey sometimes because of some of the calls made out there that change the game around. (Even some of the calls that benefit the Wings, I was in shock over.) Perfect example? At the end of Game 5.

Gary Bettman has brought hockey morality for the real fans in the league to an all time low. Seeing Pronger raise the Cup was bad enough, but that the Cup will now be defaced with the words "Anaheim Ducks" on it is almost unthinkable. They might as well put Mickey Mouse and Goofy on there as well. You know he's a hated man when even the Ducks "fans" booed him as he entered last night. Remember when he had to say "It's ok, I bring gifts"? They should be worshipping him like the second coming of Jesus. He's one of the main reasons why the Ducks and other non-traditional teams have won. His first screw up was to put teams in places like Miami, Anaheim, Los Angeles (The only reason they are still around today was because of Gretzky), Tampa Bay, and Nashville, who could barely sell 3/4 of their tickets this season despite their top ranking in the standings for so long. Was Gary asleep when this came out, or did he just pretend not to notice?

Either he just doesn't have a clue, or he was tired of having teams like Detroit and Colorado and Jersey dominate year after year. Hello? It's sports, and there will always be dominating teams, no matter what. Deal with it. Look at San Antonio in the NBA. Uh oh, the Spurs are too good, we better make a salary cap so the Charlotte Bobcats can have a chance and those selfish Spurs will finally crash! You wouldn't have this problem, Gary, if you didn't put teams in those markets where people couldn't give a flying rat about those teams. I'm glad that Pittsburgh didn't move to Kansas City. Before moving back to MI in 03, I lived there for 9 years, and their minor league team, the Blades (which featured future NHL'er Patrick Lalime and Ray Whitney) had to fold due to a total lack of fan interest.

Once again Gary, thank you for screwing the best game on Earth, and a sincere thank you from all of us real fans for screwing us as well. You thought you were saving the sport? It's in even worse shape than it was in 04.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 02:36 PM

Added support :

Stanley Cup clincher produces another dismal TV rating

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE(The Nephilim @ June 7, 2007 - 09:29AM) View Post

What bothers me is that the cap disassembles all the talent of all of these teams right after they win the cup. The stupidity of Bettman's plan is that after generating interest in the smaller markets, their team falls apart the next season, allowing the fans to return to not caring. It just doesn't make sense. We'll probably see it with the Ducks. Giguere is going to want a lot of money to stay (like Khabibulin did after Tampa won), and as soon as the young stars get older and better, the team won't be able to sustain them anymore. We'll probably see the same thing happen with the Penguins and other developing teams.

How can you say that the cap does this when the cap has only been around one year? Theres no evidence to that yet in the NHL. And even if you go with the last 4 Cup champs, the Canes were the only one of them that didn't make the playoffs the following year. The Canes had an awful year this year but a lot of the guys who won it for them were still there. Weight and Recchi(don't think I spelled that right) were gone because they were rent-a-players with no intention of staying. And if teams that win it have a smart GM they can be just fine. The Lightning handcuffed themselves by signing Richards to such a big deal so that has hurt them from contending still because they don't have money to get a goalie.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE(StevieY9802 @ June 7, 2007 - 01:39PM) View Post

How can you say that the cap does this when the cap has only been around one year? Theres no evidence to that yet in the NHL. And even if you go with the last 4 Cup champs, the Canes were the only one of them that didn't make the playoffs the following year. The Canes had an awful year this year but a lot of the guys who won it for them were still there. Weight and Recchi(don't think I spelled that right) were gone because they were rent-a-players with no intention of staying. And if teams that win it have a smart GM they can be just fine. The Lightning handcuffed themselves by signing Richards to such a big deal so that has hurt them from contending still because they don't have money to get a goalie.


I think you disagreed with me there and argued my point. And why would rent-a-players want to leave a team they saw huge success in? If they could have stayed, then they probably would have. I think the cap forces players to become rent-a-players. Shanahan was a rent-a-player too. He stayed after the team saw success because the team wasn't limited by a cap. That Red Wings team was able to keep its fans because the players that brought success to the team stayed around and Ilitch could keep resigning them. And I think the Richards signing proves my point exactly.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE(JayUp88 @ June 7, 2007 - 12:30PM) View Post

Yes garys an idiot but really people, the last three teams that won the cup had every right to win it. the fans aren't out there playing the game the players are, and each of the last three teams had great players out there. So what if the fans are just fare-weather fans. Anyone who lives in detroit should know about this really well. Anyone remember how many people would show up for a tigers game 3 years ago? But the min the win some games everyone is a tigers fan. So who care where the Cup is handed out each year, because its the players in those citys that earned it each year.


In the old capless NHL, those teams would of never won. I don't really want to sound like they should fix the cap in favor of the bigger market teams cause that is kinda crap. But if teams like Anaheim and Carolina keep winning, I don't see the NHL really lasting all that long.
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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE(jaytan @ June 7, 2007 - 02:10PM) View Post

I've got the perfect solution!

You know how teams in European soccer leagues are only allowed a certain number of foreign players on their rosters? I believe this is still the case, though I don't really follow the sport....

Anyway, it should be required that 80 per cent of the players dressed for any NHL team are from a 100-mile radius of the team's arena. Of the remaining four players, one must be from anywhere in the team's home country, and three can be from anywhere on the globe.

This way, we'd practically eliminate the chance of any Southern-based team ever winning the Cup again, give Toronto an opportunity to win one before everyone from their last championship roster is dead, and encourage teams in non-traditional markets to either move or to start aggressive youth hockey programs and hockey development campaigns in their local areas.

Best idea ever. smile.gif

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:16 PM

I'm no fan of bettman, but these cup wins by non-traditional markets at least increase the fanbase, if only by a little bit. Had things happened the opposite way and ottawa, edmonton, and calgary won the cup the last three years, it would do nothing for the NHL. I do not quite understand the hostility towards the NHL in non-traditional markets. Its not quite the fault of these markets that they aren't hockey hotbeds, but the fault of bettman who has done little to promote these teams. The NHL has successfully expanded to newer markets before, and so have many other sports organizations. The NHL needs to give these markets some time and promote them better.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:23 PM


NHL at an all time low--

I don't just blame Bettman, I blame the team playing in the SCF. If refs didn't decided to eject Wings out in the WCF the ratings would have probably been near an all time high.

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NEW YORK (AP) -Anaheim's Stanley Cup-winning victory over Ottawa produced another dismal televising rating.

The Ducks' 6-2 win over Ottawa on Wednesday night received a 2.5 overnight rating and 4 share, NBC said Thursday. That marked a 14 percent drop from Game 5 last year, a 4-3 overtime victory by Edmonton over Carolina.

National ratings were due later Thursday, and this year's Stanley Cup finals were on track to set a record low for TV viewers.

Game 1 on Versus was seen by 523,000 households in the United States and Game 2 on the cable network was viewed by 446,000 homes.

When the series switched to NBC, Game 3 was seen in 1.2 million homes and produced a 1.1 national rating, matching a July 2005 rerun of "The West Wing" as the lowest-rated prime-time broadcast in NBC history. Game 4 had a 1.9 national rating, which translates to 2.1 million homes.

Overnight ratings measure the 55 largest television markets in the United States, and each overnight rating point represents about 735,000 households. A national ratings point represents 1,114,000 homes.

The rating is the percentage watching a telecast among all homes with televisions, and the share is the percentage tuned in to a broadcast among those households with televisions on at the time

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE(MrSandMan @ June 7, 2007 - 04:23PM) View Post

NHL at an all time low--

I don't just blame Bettman, I blame the team playing in the SCF. If refs didn't decided to eject Wings out in the WCF the ratings would have probably been near an all time high.

http://www.nhl.com/n...mp;service=page

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:28 PM

i don't like bettman, but putting teams in non-traditional markets is the only way to gain more fans. how many fans will the league gain if nashville moves to hamilton? ZERO. every single person that lives in hamilton is already a hockey fan. how many fans will they lose by moving out of nashville? can't say for sure. a couple thousand maybe. i don't really have much of a problem with the sun belt teams, i just think it was too many too fast. bettman worries more about putting new teams in weak markets than he does about marketing those teams.





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