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#21 StevieY9802

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE(Wings_Fan_In_Exile @ June 15, 2007 - 10:37AM) View Post

I think we did. And again I have to state how opposed I am to #9!

I don't like that idea either. That would be the last possible thing I would do. 1, 2, 4, 7 and 10 are mine. Who would replace Bettman? I don' t know. I sure don't like the idea I read on, I think it was TSN, that Brian Burke could be GM one day if he wanted. Then every time a big canadian hit a guy from behind its because he was big, the other guy was small, and the big guy was canadian. 2 and 10 go together. Get on TV in the US more and market these guys. The NHL guys are blue color type guys for the most part. There not like the NBA and NFL guys who go out and get arrested for feeling up strippers or carrying guns. They all say thank you after an interview and are very well spoken for the most part. Officiating has been better, less clutching, but now sometimes they call everything. Keep working on it and eventually they would get it right. And finally 7. Let these guys fight. A little self policing wouldn't hurt sometimes. Two guys fight and its usually over. McCarty went after Lemieux and then he cam back to show he wasn't a turtle and then it was over for the most part.

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE(toby91_ca @ June 15, 2007 - 03:34PM) View Post

Didn't we already talk about this?


Yup

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE(vangvace @ June 11, 2007 - 05:01PM) View Post

Personally I don't like then because they seem to break more often... but that might just be short term memory instead of fact.


It may seem like it but this is not true. The only difference is that composite sticks break in one spot, wood sticks split either on the blade or down the shaft so it isn't as obvious.
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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:05 PM

It's hard for me to discern which is the worst idea on that list, #5 or #9.

How could you tell players they can't use one-piece sticks? They don't pose any threat to players, possibly the goaltenders, but lets be serious, those guys are nuts anyhow. If anything these sticks increase scoring by allowing a player with an average shot to have a good shot, and a player with a good shot to have a great shot. Are they as reliable as wood? No. But they are also much more dymanic than wood. Does Al Strachan really think that these sticks increase the number of blocked shots? That is insane. I won't argue that these sticks make it more diffucult to handle the puck if the player using it doesn't have 'soft hands'. However, in that case, maybe it's the players fault. I could see maybe an extra shot being blocked every couple of games because of this, but it isn't directly the sticks fault, it's the player not being able to properly use the equipment. So why should Lidstrom not be allowed to use the stick beacuse Laraque isn't good enough to use it? Bad idea.

And the nets. Do I really need to say anything here? Hey, I've got an idea, why don't we just get rid of the offsides rule while we are at it?

QUOTE(StevieY9802 @ June 15, 2007 - 03:52PM) View Post

I don't like that idea either. That would be the last possible thing I would do. 1, 2, 4, 7 and 10 are mine. Who would replace Bettman? I don' t know. I sure don't like the idea I read on, I think it was TSN, that Brian Burke could be GM one day if he wanted. Then every time a big canadian hit a guy from behind its because he was big, the other guy was small, and the big guy was canadian. 2 and 10 go together. Get on TV in the US more and market these guys. The NHL guys are blue color type guys for the most part. There not like the NBA and NFL guys who go out and get arrested for feeling up strippers or carrying guns. They all say thank you after an interview and are very well spoken for the most part. Officiating has been better, less clutching, but now sometimes they call everything. Keep working on it and eventually they would get it right. And finally 7. Let these guys fight. A little self policing wouldn't hurt sometimes. Two guys fight and its usually over. McCarty went after Lemieux and then he cam back to show he wasn't a turtle and then it was over for the most part.

I've said this before, I'd pull for a dual-commish Orr and Howe. And did you mean Burke could one day be commish?

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:30 PM

No mention of getting rid of teams in places that don't care about them? Interesting.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:54 PM

Meh...I agree with 6 of those, am indifferent on 2, and disagree with 2. Just give me 1 and 7 and a lot of things would probably work themselves out.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(MotownIce @ June 16, 2007 - 08:30PM) View Post

No mention of getting rid of teams in places that don't care about them? Interesting.



hahah right on.

here's to number 1, 2, 6, 7, and 8

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE(kylee @ June 16, 2007 - 09:19PM) View Post

hahah right on.

here's to number 1, 2, 6, 7, and 8



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Posted 16 June 2007 - 11:44 PM

1, 2, 7 and 10 are right on.

I like 10 a lot. They REALLY do need to market players. It would probably make a hell of a difference.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 02:38 AM

#1 Get rid of Bettman. Could he run skateworld at a profit? sly.gif
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 04:35 PM

QUOTE(Winged Scooter @ June 11, 2007 - 04:45PM) View Post

Increasing net size should be replaced with Doing away with unbalanced scheduling....

make goalie pads smaller

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:44 PM

I pretty much agree with most of what he has to say, there's a few things I didn't think of though. Increasing the net size to me is a no-brainer- I don't get why there's so many people opposed to it. Too many easy butterfly saves get made, a LARGE percentage of goals scored I saw in the playoffs were what I would consider garbage goals, where you nearly have to shove the goalie into the net to get the puck in.

Moving the season back is a dang good idea I hadn't thought of, it ties into the ice quality idea as well. Poor ice quality helps teams like the Ducks who have little scoring talent and a lot of checking line forwards, which I think makes for a boring game.

I didn't think of the composite stick issue, but I think he's got a point. Bring back the Sher-woods!

Firing Gary Buttman is a given.... please do, thank you!
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE(ltgator333 @ June 17, 2007 - 07:44PM) View Post

I pretty much agree with most of what he has to say, there's a few things I didn't think of though. Increasing the net size to me is a no-brainer- I don't get why there's so many people opposed to it. Too many easy butterfly saves get made, a LARGE percentage of goals scored I saw in the playoffs were what I would consider garbage goals, where you nearly have to shove the goalie into the net to get the puck in.

Moving the season back is a dang good idea I hadn't thought of, it ties into the ice quality idea as well. Poor ice quality helps teams like the Ducks who have little scoring talent and a lot of checking line forwards, which I think makes for a boring game.

I didn't think of the composite stick issue, but I think he's got a point. Bring back the Sher-woods!

Firing Gary Buttman is a given.... please do, thank you!

I will never get into the "ZOIKIES OMFRICKING GOD BETTMAN IS A MENTAL MORON IDIOT" 1-liners without showing justification or reasons WHY people think he should get fired because they are just stupid to me, but after recently reading that there are plans to increase goal sizes by 8 inches wide and 6 inches high, I'm open to giving it a shot. When you think about it, the nets won't look all that much bigger to the fans, especially if they attend a game live, but the puck is small enough to where it could make some difference, and goalies would definitely have to use more lateral movement.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE(BringHomeTheCup! @ June 16, 2007 - 03:05PM) View Post

And did you mean Burke could one day be commish?

yes sorry thats what I meant.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE(haroldsnepsts @ June 11, 2007 - 04:41PM) View Post

9) No no no no no! They better not increase the net size a millimeter before they seriously crack down on goaltender pads. Decrease the ridiculous trapper size, decrease the blocker a little bit, shave some more off the leg pads, and definitely work on preventing the Michelin men goalies like Luongo and Giguere.



I agree that the nets should not be changed at all. And the pad thing has been addressed again by the league. When purchasing my new glove I found out that leg pads, blockers and trappers have all been given new size specs for next year. Being a goalie I was kinda dissappointed that I was going to have to learn to play with new stuff, but my new smaller trapper actually made my glove hand more effective. Being a goalie, the only concern I have about smaller equipment is the protection on the fingers of the blocker hand. Already I take a lot of slapshots of my index finger of my blocker hand, if my blocker is shorter I can see this happening a lot more. Watch and I bet there will be a lot of broken fingers next year, otherwise I am all for smaller equipment, it just makes goalies faster!

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ June 17, 2007 - 08:47PM) View Post

I will never get into the "ZOIKIES OMFRICKING GOD BETTMAN IS A MENTAL MORON IDIOT" 1-liners without showing justification or reasons WHY people think he should get fired because they are just stupid to me, but after recently reading that there are plans to increase goal sizes by 8 inches wide and 6 inches high, I'm open to giving it a shot. When you think about it, the nets won't look all that much bigger to the fans, especially if they attend a game live, but the puck is small enough to where it could make some difference, and goalies would definitely have to use more lateral movement.


What the hell does everyone that dislikes him, which is a pretty damn big crowd have to spell it out for you every time they post???
There's nothing more negative about the guy that I could possibly say that's not been said a bazillion times before. It's as understood as the sun rising in the east. Hell for that matter really I shouldn't even need to say I don't like him anymore. Who the hell does, like him that is?

Edited by ltgator333, 18 June 2007 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ June 17, 2007 - 05:47PM) View Post

I will never get into the "ZOIKIES OMFRICKING GOD BETTMAN IS A MENTAL MORON IDIOT" 1-liners without showing justification or reasons WHY people think he should get fired because they are just stupid to me, but after recently reading that there are plans to increase goal sizes by 8 inches wide and 6 inches high, I'm open to giving it a shot. When you think about it, the nets won't look all that much bigger to the fans, especially if they attend a game live, but the puck is small enough to where it could make some difference, and goalies would definitely have to use more lateral movement.

Because when he took over the game in 1993, it was in good shape and one of the more popular sports. Now he's turned it into a second-tier sport and his failed economic vision has cost us a season and a half.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE(ltgator333 @ June 18, 2007 - 02:51PM) View Post

What the hell does everyone that dislikes him, which is a pretty damn big crowd have to spell it out for you every time they post???
There's nothing more negative about the guy that I could possibly say that's not been said a bazillion times before. It's as understood as the sun rising in the east. Hell for that matter really I shouldn't even need to say I don't like him anymore. Who the hell does, like him that is?

I certainly don’t think much of Bettman, but I don’t think much of the “Bettman is the devil of the solar system” jabs either, because they are getting as old and stale and annoying as “Lang is lazy and he sucks” or “Trade Draper” or “Wings need grit and size” statements that have no substance or support to them whatsoever.

WHY is Lang lazy?

WHY do you want to trade Draper, and WHO should the Wings trade him for?

WHO should the Wings pick up that fits size and grit, and will they be able to afford him under the salary cap?

WHY is Bettman so bad?

I don’t care if the answers are obvious. Whenever it’s possible, give us some REASONS, give us some DETAIL, give us brief INSIGHT. Give us WHO/WHAT/WHEN WHERE/WHY. Show us you (not you specifically in this case, speaking more in general terms) know what you are talking about. I don’t think that is too hard of a request.

Anybody can say that Bettman stinks or that the Wings need more size, etc. without elaborating.


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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE(haroldsnepsts @ June 18, 2007 - 04:46PM) View Post

Because when he took over the game in 1993, it was in good shape and one of the more popular sports. Now he's turned it into a second-tier sport and his failed economic vision has cost us a season and a half.


Allthough there's much more to be said, that's the sum affect of the man's tenure right there. We are ALLOWED to take small jabs at him. It's our right.

Don't like it? Don't read it. Get over it.


EDIT-

Oh yea, we WERE talking about something of substance so let's get back to it-

About the larger goal thing.. I got in a discussion with someone about it today and they're a "no you gotta make the goalies' equipment smaller" kind of person- really I think even if they did that, they should still make the goals at least 4 inches wider. I wanna see some goals that didn't have to pinball off everything to actually get into the goal.

Edited by ltgator333, 18 June 2007 - 09:09 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:26 PM

1. Fire Gary Bettman A definite must

2. Get back on TV Yeah, but for now I'm fine with Center Ice - better work on the actual game before we market it. Show the CBC feed every Saturday night on NBC for several weeks showcasing Original 6 match-ups. If this fails (probably will) then forget about winning new fans over; I've never had a problem following a niche sport

3. Restructure the season Gotta have more Original 6 match-ups

4. Continue the officiating fine-tuning Never ending story; always need improvement here

5. Get rid of composite sticks Try telling that to the players; not too big of a deal IMHO

6. Fix the ice As is making sure it's of good quality? This is another whole topic of discussion

7. Get rid of the instigator rule clap.gif

8. Recognize the impact of gambling In what way

9. Increase the net size How about decreasing the size of the body armor netminders wear

10. Market the players It'll be challenging; in the USA we tend to market those with the biggest mouths/showmanship/etc etc - hockey players for the most part tend to be kinda quiet, & modest

11. Screw the idea of making the game more friendly to us Americans - start by going back to the Prince of Wales, & the Campbell Conferences; followed by the Patrick/Adams/Norris/Symthe Divisions...The NHL needs to keep it's current fan base more than trying to find new fans!

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