ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 i really see us landing Kozzie. Really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 i really see us landing Kozzie. Really. Hopefully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Rofl look at the salarys/ Hartnell 4.2 mill TImmo 6.3 mill Ridiculous Stupid move by both teams. Offering top-dollar was the only way Philly could logically be guaranteed to sign these two players. If Philly did not agree to contracts before the trade, it would not have happened; and I'm sure Timmo and Hartnell asked that they be given a lot in exchange for forgoing the FA market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 This isn't as shocking to me as it seems to be to a lot of people. Nashville was going to lose one or both of these guys anyway (probably both, looking at the insane contracts they're alledged to have signed with Philly) and it wouldn't make too much sense for them to re-sign Forsberg.... Best they can do is get the pick back. And Balsille isn't running the team yet, is he? I was under the impression that the sale is yet to be approved, so how could this move be indicative of some Balsillian conspiracy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Holy s*** doesnt express how i feel bout this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Wow. And two 6 year deals at that. I never would've seen this coming. The Preds knew they couldn't sign either Hartnell or Timmonen??? And I didn't know this was technically legal to do before July 1st. Well this pretty much answers the question if the Preds are going to try to put a strong team on the ice in Nashville next season. They sure gave up a lot to get a first round pick back. almost as if they were giving up on next season and looking ahead a couple years... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Thank God. Never wanted that guy in the winged wheel. But nice move by the Flyers. I don't forsee them making the playoffs or anything, but they will most definitely be improving on last seasons record. I wonder how many goaltenders Scotty boy will run with the Philly jersey on. i really see us landing Kozzie. Really. I sure hope so. Either him or Smyth would be perfect additions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 we're not dead next year. we've still got two lethal top lines. Dumont - Arnott - Radulov Sullivan - Legwand - Erat still can fill in our fourth line and some third line with Abid, Fiddler, Tootoo, Smithson, Hordichuk and Nichol (some of them will be back). And then we need 1-2 third line free agents to fill in. Not bad. We also signed over a couple of promising euro players. Setzinger probably has a good shot at making the team. Plus Peverly and Leahy who filled in some last season. On defense. we still have... Weber - Suter Hamhuis - Zidlicky Zanon will probably be re-signed. We've got Nolan Yonkman and Alex Henry who are NHL ready in milawaukee or we could bring up younger guys like Kevin Klein or Cody Franson. and of course. Vokoun and Mason in net. all of that without signing a single free agent other than our own 4th line guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 And I didn't know this was technically legal to do before July 1st. perfectly legal to trade a players rights. I'm surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often when a team has a specific target that they're willing to overpay for. Work out a deal, trade a pick for his rights and then sign him immediately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) I despise the Flyers, but if this is the beginning of the end of this forced Preds-Wings "rivalry," then I'm happy for 'em. Edited June 18, 2007 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Wow, the Flyers will be so much better. Hartnell and Timonen are the two top guys I would have picked up. Don't expect another flop of a season from Philly. Their draft pick this year is going to be good too. Just wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Well, this means that Nashville is going to tank. Watch them trade Kariya to Toronto or some team like that lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 we're not dead next year. we've still got two lethal top lines. Dumont - Arnott - Radulov Sullivan - Legwand - Erat still can fill in our fourth line and some third line with Abid, Fiddler, Tootoo, Smithson, Hordichuk and Nichol (some of them will be back). And then we need 1-2 third line free agents to fill in. Not bad. We also signed over a couple of promising euro players. Setzinger probably has a good shot at making the team. Plus Peverly and Leahy who filled in some last season. On defense. we still have... Weber - Suter Hamhuis - Zidlicky Zanon will probably be re-signed. We've got Nolan Yonkman and Alex Henry who are NHL ready in milawaukee or we could bring up younger guys like Kevin Klein or Cody Franson. and of course. Vokoun and Mason in net. all of that without signing a single free agent other than our own 4th line guys. you gotta admit though, its a pretty big hit to lose Hartnell AND Timonen. Combined they had almost 100 points last season. I didn't expect the Preds to keep them both, but I sure didn't see em both going to Philly for 6 years either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't put the Preds selling off just yet. These guys weren't going to re-sign anyways so.... but whatever. The biggest surprise is the salaries they got and the length of the deals. Over 10 mil per for these two guys is a lot. As for the Wings I don't see the appeal of Kozzie so much. Everyone for the last few years has said the Wings need to be bigger and tougher and then so many people want them to sign Kozzie back at 35 years old? I like the guy but I just don't know about that one. Edited June 18, 2007 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 wow. good move for philly, i guess trashville is tanking it now I wouldn't put the Preds selling off just yet. These guys weren't going to re-sign anyways so.... but whatever. The biggest surprise is the salaries they got and the length of the deals. Over 10 mil per for these two guys is a lot? As for the Wings I don't see the appeal of Kozzie so much. Everyone for the last few years has said the Wings need to be bigger and tougher and then so many people want them to sign Kozzie back at 35 years old? I like the guy but I just don't know about that one. i'm with you one that one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 this is unbelievable to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 we're not dead next year. we've still got two lethal top lines. Dumont - Arnott - Radulov Sullivan - Legwand - Erat still can fill in our fourth line and some third line with Abid, Fiddler, Tootoo, Smithson, Hordichuk and Nichol (some of them will be back). And then we need 1-2 third line free agents to fill in. Not bad. We also signed over a couple of promising euro players. Setzinger probably has a good shot at making the team. Plus Peverly and Leahy who filled in some last season. On defense. we still have... Weber - Suter Hamhuis - Zidlicky Zanon will probably be re-signed. We've got Nolan Yonkman and Alex Henry who are NHL ready in milawaukee or we could bring up younger guys like Kevin Klein or Cody Franson. and of course. Vokoun and Mason in net. all of that without signing a single free agent other than our own 4th line guys. Not so sure I would call those lethal lines, however lets for the sake of argument say that those are two lethal lines. Columbus had 2 lines that lethal last year and I would venture to say a better defense. Where did they end up. I admire the will and heart you show towards supporting your team, you are very red wing like in that manner, too bad the people in the preds org weren't as die hard and loyal as you!! The one thing that Nashville has for the next 5 years barring injury that could potential save everyone one of those seasons is Vokoun (pun intended) that man is a great goaltender!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I think we just got screwed by the inflation this causes. I doubt that we will be able to swing much. I hope we can land someone that will help without it leading to cap jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 perfectly legal to trade a players rights. I'm surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often when a team has a specific target that they're willing to overpay for. Work out a deal, trade a pick for his rights and then sign him immediately. I guess I'm a little fuzzy on how all this works. The trade deadline for the 2007 season has obviously passed, so I thought they technically could not be traded or signed in any capacity until July 1, when they became UFAs. after the season ends, is the market back open for trades? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 after the season ends, is the market back open for trades? Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) Yes. huh. I either never knew or forgot that. I thought they all happened the same date as the UFA. Edited June 18, 2007 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 huh. I either never knew or forgot that. I thought they all happened the same date as the UFA. It is open for trades not free agent signings unless it is the team that holds the players rights until the 7/1 deadline. However a team can trade the prospective free agents rights if they want, then the new team and only the new team can sign them until 7/1 at which point they become free agents. Hope that helps if not, I tried!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadienhater 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Maybe Balsillie is behind all of this...Afterall he is an evil genius [/quote I think balsillie has watched the movie major league to many times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 It is open for trades not free agent signings unless it is the team that holds the players rights until the 7/1 deadline. However a team can trade the prospective free agents rights if they want, then the new team and only the new team can sign them until 7/1 at which point they become free agents. Hope that helps if not, I tried!! definitely helps, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadienhater 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 Offering top-dollar was the only way Philly could logically be guaranteed to sign these two players. If Philly did not agree to contracts before the trade, it would not have happened; and I'm sure Timmo and Hartnell asked that they be given a lot in exchange for forgoing the FA market. bad teams have to overpay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
