Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I know Kenny's number one priority for defense this offseason, is to sign Schneider. So Im guessing that will probably happen. But who knows if we will end up retaining Markov. So if we don't end up keeping Markov, how about Andy Sutton for a replacememt? They guy throws his body around as well, yet doesnt have major injury problems. And hes very gritty. He usually only finishes with 20 points or so at the end of the year. But scoring really isnt his role. I think he would be a great addition for our defensive core. Cause I don't wanna lose a good hitter in Markov, without getting someone that can bang around as well. What do you guys think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I know Kenny's number one priority for defense this offseason, is to sign Schneider. So Im guessing that will probably happen. But who knows if we will end up retaining Markov. So if we don't end up keeping Markov, how about Andy Sutton for a replacememt? They guy throws his body around as well, yet doesnt have major injury problems. And hes very gritty. He usually only finishes with 20 points or so at the end of the year. But scoring really isnt his role. I think he would be a great addition for our defensive core. Cause I don't wanna lose a good hitter in Markov, without getting someone that can bang around as well. What do you guys think? I like Sutton. But I think if they don't resign Markov then we'll have Quincy, who's NHL ready, as well as Meech, who's no longer waiver eligable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I like Sutton. But I think if they don't resign Markov then we'll have Quincy, who's NHL ready, as well as Meech, who's no longer waiver eligable. Yeah I must say, I was very impressed with how totally poised Quincy was each game he was in. I guess for me, I just want us to get someone that can smash dudes just as good if not better then Markov. Other then a goal, nothing seams to pump me up more during a Red Wings game, then seeing one of our guys just asbolutely crush someone(which obviously doesnt happen often, lol). I could definitely live with Quincy, but damn would I be pleased if we snagged Sutton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I would rather have veteran DEF than Quincy (and I like this guy)... I found somewhere that Sutton is asking around $4M - so I think that's out of our range. I think that we need big body - classic stay at home DEF! If we can have Sutton for $2M - $2.5M than I say this is our guy... If not, there is Vishenvski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I would rather have veteran DEF than Quincy (and I like this guy)... I found somewhere that Sutton is asking around $4M - so I think that's out of our range. I think that we need big body - classic stay at home DEF! If we can have Sutton for $2M - $2.5M than I say this is our guy... If not, there is Vishenvski Ouch. Yeah if he is asking for 4 mill, then I definitely don't want Kenny spending that much. But then again, I dont see a ton of GMs giving up that much for Sutton. So maybe we can get him for around 2 mill or so. That would be perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) I know Kenny's number one priority for defense this offseason, is to sign Schneider. So Im guessing that will probably happen. But who knows if we will end up retaining Markov. So if we don't end up keeping Markov, how about Andy Sutton for a replacememt? They guy throws his body around as well, yet doesnt have major injury problems. And hes very gritty. He usually only finishes with 20 points or so at the end of the year. But scoring really isnt his role. I think he would be a great addition for our defensive core. Cause I don't wanna lose a good hitter in Markov, without getting someone that can bang around as well. What do you guys think? We've got Lilja. We don't need spend the money on another defenseman. Edited for clarity. Edited June 21, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 We've got Lilja. We really don't need an expensive 7th D-man. I wouldn't want him for $4 mill, but exactly how is Sutton a 7th D-man? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 We've got Lilja. We really don't need an expensive 7th D-man. Sutton is definitely not a 7th defenseman. Hes not a top 4 d-man either, but he brings alot to the table. A hell of alot more than Lilja can bring. Sutton is tougher, faster and offensively better than Lilja. He is better than Lilja in every aspect of defense. I say we sign Sutton for 2 mill(if we can). And Lilja can come up in the lineup if we have injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah I must say, I was very impressed with how totally poised Quincy was each game he was in. I guess for me, I just want us to get someone that can smash dudes just as good if not better then Markov. Other then a goal, nothing seams to pump me up more during a Red Wings game, then seeing one of our guys just asbolutely crush someone(which obviously doesnt happen often, lol). I could definitely live with Quincy, but damn would I be pleased if we snagged Sutton. And Sutton likes to toss 'em once in a while too, just like Markov would at times. Nothing pumped me up more than watching Markov jump on a pile of Flames in game 1(?). I think it was at that moment that I realised this was a different team than previous years. The Wings weren't going to take crap from anybody! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Sutton is definitely not a 7th defenseman. Hes not a top 4 d-man either, but he brings alot to the table. A hell of alot more than Lilja can bring. Sutton is tougher, faster and offensively better than Lilja. He is better than Lilja in every aspect of defense. I say we sign Sutton for 2 mill(if we can). And Lilja can come up in the lineup if we have injuries. My point was that we already have Lilja. Quincey can easily serve as 7th D-man. We don't need Sutton who, yes, is expensive. $2m? Dream on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Sutton is definitely not a 7th defenseman. Hes not a top 4 d-man either, but he brings alot to the table. A hell of alot more than Lilja can bring. Sutton is tougher, faster and offensively better than Lilja. He is better than Lilja in every aspect of defense. I say we sign Sutton for 2 mill(if we can). And Lilja can come up in the lineup if we have injuries. I don't watch the Thrashers so somebody please fill me in. Is this the same Andy Sutton who struggled year in and year out to be an NHL regular? Is this the same gi-normous, slow-moving pylon prone to untimely and undisciplined penalties and the occasional Pronger-esque cheap shot? Has this guy really improved so much in the past few years he's commanding 4 million? Was he wearing a mask and brandishing a glock when he asked for that? I know he's big and he can toss 'em a bit, however he's typically outmatched by other legitimate heavyweights (hence I recall him often fighting guys that aren't true heavies and him getting a bit of a bad rep as being a guy who won't fight the good fight just the ones he knows he can win) But other than his great size and ability to fight could this guy ever keep up in a Wings system of play? If I were going to pay 4 million for a d-man i'd just keep Markov rather than pay this guy. Sutton is definitely not a 7th defenseman. Hes not a top 4 d-man either, but he brings alot to the table. A hell of alot more than Lilja can bring. Sutton is tougher, faster and offensively better than Lilja. He is better than Lilja in every aspect of defense. I say we sign Sutton for 2 mill(if we can). And Lilja can come up in the lineup if we have injuries. I don't watch the Thrashers so somebody please fill me in. Is this the same Andy Sutton who struggled year in and year out to be an NHL regular? Is this the same gi-normous, slow-moving pylon prone to untimely and undisciplined penalties and the occasional Pronger-esque cheap shot? Has this guy really improved so much in the past few years he's commanding 4 million? Was he wearing a mask and brandishing a glock when he asked for that? I know he's big and he can toss 'em a bit, however he's typically outmatched by other legitimate heavyweights (hence I recall him often fighting guys that aren't true heavies and him getting a bit of a bad rep as being a guy who won't fight the good fight just the ones he knows he can win) But other than his great size and ability to fight could this guy ever keep up in a Wings system of play? If I were going to pay 4 million for a d-man i'd just keep Markov rather than pay this guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 And Sutton likes to toss 'em once in a while too, just like Markov would at times. Nothing pumped me up more than watching Markov jump on a pile of Flames in game 1(?). I think it was at that moment that I realised this was a different team than previous years. The Wings weren't going to take crap from anybody! I was so stoked to see Markov's superman dive also. I just don't wanna lose that dimension to the team. And yeah, not only will Sutton drop the gloves, he's a damn good fighter as well. I just hope we either sign Sutton, or that we can keep Markov. Either way I want a d-man to throw his body around and stick up for his teammates. Sutton would be absolutely perfect for that role with this Red Wings squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 http://www.thefourthperiod.com/topfas.html He's listed as top 4 Def. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I would rather have veteran DEF than Quincy (and I like this guy)... I found somewhere that Sutton is asking around $4M - so I think that's out of our range. I think that we need big body - classic stay at home DEF! If we can have Sutton for $2M - $2.5M than I say this is our guy... If not, there is Vishenvski Vishnevski would not fill the void that Markov would leave. With that said, Quincey is a cheaper and younger option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I was so stoked to see Markov's superman dive also. I just don't wanna lose that dimension to the team. And yeah, not only will Sutton drop the gloves, he's a damn good fighter as well. I just hope we either sign Sutton, or that we can keep Markov. Either way I want a d-man to throw his body around and stick up for his teammates. Sutton would be absolutely perfect for that role with this Red Wings squad. He can/will drop the gloves and he's good fighter... Lilja can drop the gloves... but he isn't good fighter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 $2m? Dream on. You might be correct there. If Sutton really does stick to wanting 4 mill. Then I definitely want us to pass on him. But who knows, maybe once he realizes no one wants to give him 4 mill per year, he will lower his asking price. And if he does, we need to jump on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) Vishnevski would not fill the void that Markov would leave. With that said, Quincey is a cheaper and younger option. Vishnevski has more experience (than Quincey)... and we can have him for around $1.5M Edited June 21, 2007 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 If I were going to pay 4 million for a d-man i'd just keep Markov rather than pay this guy. Is he good enough to be asking for 4 mill?? Definitely not. But he would be an excellent addition to our D if we could get him somewhere between 2 and 2.5 mill. And with getting about 20 points per season, he definitely brings more offense to the table then Lilja or Markov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindlwillbegreat 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 he's asking for 4 million per ............... i'll pass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 maybe we can trade lilja for like a 5th round pick or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Vishnevski would not fill the void that Markov would leave. And how do you figure this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Is he good enough to be asking for 4 mill?? Definitely not. But he would be an excellent addition to our D if we could get him somewhere between 2 and 2.5 mill. And with getting about 20 points per season, he definitely brings more offense to the table then Lilja or Markov. I hope we are not going to sign him for his offense... What we need is a big stay-at-home defensmen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I hope we are not going to sign him for his offense... What we need is a big stay-at-home defensmen... Oh yeah we deifnitely wont be signing him for his offense. But it is pretty sweet that not only does he bang around and protect his teammates and do his job on D, he can also help on the scoreboard here and there. maybe we can trade lilja for like a 5th round pick or something? Yeah if we can even get that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah if we can even get that. Well I guess I could settle for future considerations then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Sutton made $2 last season. He is a solid, young dman. No way he signs for less than $3.5, especially with the lack of dmen of his caliber available this offseason. I've said it before, De Vries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
