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Your Top 5 Worst-Run NHL clubs

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How about the worse run North American Sport?

The NHL by a landside. MLB, NBA, and NFL all know how to make money, the NHL has no clue.

Sorry, I'm a little pissed that it doesn't look like Balsillie can by the Preds. Screw Bettman, I'm sure that rat is behind it all!

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Using your logic about centers the wings can now let Flip or Draper man the second line because they have Datsyuk on the First line as center. I will have to disagree on that part.

Huh?

Guerin was a mistake, it is not like they couldn't have offered him the money he got.

Guerin was given a NINE MILLION DOLLAR per year deal from Dallas. This was the summer after scoring 66 points in 78 games playing with JOE THORNTON. Only once, his second season with Dallas, did he ever come anywhere NEAR those numbers since signing that deal. Murray scored 44 goals and 92 points during Guerin's first season in Dallas, numbers Guerin could only dream of. Clearly, a bad move by Boston. In fact, Guerin's 69 point season with Dallas was the only time he has put up a better point-per-game ratio than Murray since 2000-01. Clearly, Boston should have kept Guerin at 9m and instead let Murray's 3.5m walk.

They are a cheap organization that fills one line with good to decent players with the occasional great (thornton, allison) and then expects guys like Stanislov Chistov, PJ Axelsson, Brandon Bochenski, Shean Donovan, Mark Mowers, and Chuck Kobesew to carry the load.

Axelsson and Kobasew are the only ones you mentioned who were top six among Bruins forwards in ice time per game. Axelsson scored 27 points in 55 games; Kobasew posted 19 in 50. Axelsson is one of the league's top penalty-killers also. Compare him with Draper from Detroit's top six. Kobasew isn't quite as good defensively as Axelsson, but he is a defensively aware, physical winger with developing scoring ability. Compare him with Johan Franzen from Detroit's top six. Chistov, Bochenski, Donovan, and Mowers all were bottom-six forwards on the Bruins, although Donovan and Mowers were regulars on the PK unit.

Phil Kessel, Mark Savard, and Patrice Bergereon will all be out of Beantown within 3 years unless the org makes a drastic change in the way they handle the team.

Especially if they are going to change coaches every year. I am not a Dave Lewis fan but come on, you give a guy skunk piss and expect him to make fine wine out of it you cannot hold him liable!!

Not sure why Lewis was canned, but I don't see the organization getting rid of those guys soon. Thornton was a case of playoff failures, combined with a high price tag. Thornton was considered overrated and overpaid when he was traded. Obviously that's not the case now, but he's scored 1.47 PPG in 140 games since the trade, compared to 0.85 in 532 before it, and 1.17 in the two and a half seasons and 177 games before the trade. That's a MASSIVE difference. In three seasons, Bergeron has scored 70 points twice. Thornton took six seasons to hit the 70 mark twice. Bergeron was a 30 goal scorer in his second season, something Thornton didn't accomplish until his fourth. Bergeron is also signed through 2010-11, so his price tag will stay relatively low for what he brings offensively. Savard is signed through 2009-10 at 5m, a ridiculously LOW rate for a guy who has scored better than a point per game every season since 2003.

How about the worse run North American Sport?

The NHL by a landside. MLB, NBA, and NFL all know how to make money, the NHL has no clue.

Sorry, I'm a little pissed that it doesn't look like Balsillie can by the Preds. Screw Bettman, I'm sure that rat is behind it all!

I am getting sick of people who are angry that Balsillie won't get to move the Preds. Why, you ask? Because it's the same ******* people who are so upset about teams like Hartford, Winnipeg, Quebec, and Minnesota moving. Nashville supports their team better than any of those cities, yet Nashville doesn't deserve a team because they 'don't support it' and those other cities deserve one?

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I am getting sick of people who are angry that Balsillie won't get to move the Preds. Why, you ask? Because it's the same ******* people who are so upset about teams like Hartford, Winnipeg, Quebec, and Minnesota moving. Nashville supports their team better than any of those cities, yet Nashville doesn't deserve a team because they 'don't support it' and those other cities deserve one?

Do you honestly beleive the Preds can get 14,000 fans for there team now? They'll be lucky to get 12,000 this year. Winnipeg and Quebec and Hamilton would at least get more then 14,000 , even for a team like Nashville

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Do you honestly beleive the Preds can get 14,000 fans for there team now? They'll be lucky to get 12,000 this year. Winnipeg and Quebec and Hamilton would at least get more then 14,000 , even for a team like Nashville

Quebec and Hamilton maybe.

Winnipeg NEVER pulled in 14,000 average yearly attendance. Oh and BTW, Nashville's attendance figure from last season was over 15k. And it was over 14k the year before.

The Preds lost Hartnell and Timonen, and traded Vokoun because Mason played very well the past couple years when Vokoun has been out of the lineup. Hartnell wasn't coming back, and Timonen likely cost more than Nashville wanted to pay. They basically got a first round pick as compensation for two UFAs who were not coming back.

The Preds' top six forwards, four defensemen, and goalie right now are:

F: Sullivan, Arnott, Legwand, Dumont, Erat, and Radulov.

D: Zidlicky, Weber, Suter, Hamhuis

G: Mason

That's a solid core. They will probably be in the market for one or two top six forwards, as well as a top four defenseman. Vokoun would have cost them nearly 6m. Timonen as well, and Hartnell probably 3.5m. They can replace Hartnell and Timonen cheaper, and have already done so with Vokoun.

Say Nashville signs Kariya to a 5m deal and Forsberg to a 6m deal. That's 5m that wasn't on the cap last season; that and a new backup goalie are paid for by the departure of Vokoun. Timonen and Hartnell combined for about 4m; this can be used to pick up a guy like Rafalski or someone else of that caliber who could replace Timonen.

It could just be me, but it seems like these deals are more about restructuring to fit Forsberg and a new defenseman. For those who have been saying 'firesale so Balsillie can move the team' you need to remember: Balsillie hasn't paid a cent for the team, and is not the owner. Leipold is the owner until final sale paperwork is filed. Balsillie has zero control over what the Preds do.

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1. Toronto Maple Leafs

2. Otawa Senators

3. Montreal Canadians

4. Calgary Flames

5. Edmonton Oilers

6. Vancuver Canucks

:lol: Kidding!

Not in order, but

Leafs

Coyotes

Blackhawks

Islanders

Capitals

And let's not forget Nashville. :P

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here are mine i based this on and off the ice

1.chicago blackhawks

2.boston bruins

3 philadelphia flyers

4. toronto maple leafs

5. phoenix coyotes

The Blackhawks management, with their hideous policy of blacking out home games, take the cake in my mind.

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Nashville should make a lot of lists now...

Why should Nashville make lists?

I'll lay it out for you:

Timonen and Hartnell were deemed too costly to retain, so their UFA rights were traded for a first round pick. Vokoun was traded for a first and two seconds. Vokoun was traded because:

He makes about 4m more than Mason, and Mason posted better numbers in about the same amount of games this season. Both goalies had better numbers than Kiprusoff.

So basically, when considering players who would have been on their roster next season had they not been traded, the Preds made the following overall swap:

OUT:

Tomas Vokoun

IN:

Two first round picks and two second round picks.

That's a pretty damn good deal when looked at that way. How does that qualify them as badly run?

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Toronto. How a team can have such a huge fanbase and so little success is beyond me. Also, the Avs have been pretty bad in recent years- look at some of the players that thye've dealt/let go, and where they're at now because of it.

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5. Phoenix Coyotes

Let's face it, Wayne Gretzky may have been the great one ON the ice. But off the ice he's a terrible coach. Barry Smith should be coaching that team, especially after the Tocchet/Janet Jones Gretzky sports betting scandal. A lot of poor draft picks that don't pan out. Their minor league affiliate in San Antonio is equally as bad.

4. Los Angeles Kings

Can the Kings settle in on a goalie... they used 5 last season. They haven't had a real star player, but they've got a couple of real quality young guys including Cammalleri, Frolov and Kopitar, but you can't win with just three 20+ goal scorers. And now after owning the SoCal hockey market for 40 years. The Ducks after just 13 seasons have been to the finals twice and won once. The Kings are now an afterthought AFTER the Ducks in SoCal hockey.

3. Columbus Blue Jackets

The Blue Jackets will always be second fiddle to the fans behind OSU. Mostly because they don't win. The "new" factor has worn off of the Jackets and they have to start producing on the ice, which they haven't done anything on the ice since coming into the league in 2000. Doug MacLean's legacy will live long after his recent firing. Scott Howson has a lot of work ahead of him to clean up MacLean's mess. They did hire Ken Hitchcock as their head coach midway through the last season which was a step in the right direction.

2. Boston Bruins

Let's face it, the Bruins are bad. The Bad News Bears of the NHL have been one of the most poorly run franchises in the last 5 years. Trading away one of their best players last year didn't help. Joe Thornton is the reason for the Sharks turnaround, and the Bruins demise. The GM spent 7 years in the Ottawa system, 5 as the team legal advisor and 2 as assistant GM. Dave Lewis was fired after one season. Great, give him nothing to work with and then fire him. Nice..

1. Chicago Blackhawks

When you have websites devoted to the ouster of your owner (www.wirtzsucks.com), you're sitting in a 20,000 seat arena with 8,000 empty, there are big problems. The Hawks are also dealing with the an AHL team in town that has outdrawn you and takes shots at you in their own advertising, the Chicago Wolves have had 3 games over the last season where the Hawks and Wolves were playing at the same time and the Wolves had higher attendance. The Wolves have also had ad campaigns that simply said...."Losing Bites."

Every time the Wings are in town the arena does fill... with Detroit fans. The local radio station that airs the games are paid BY THE CLUB to carry the games, normally it's the station paying the team for the rights to carry the game. The Hawks buy the air time from WSCR (670 AM). The Hawks still don't carry home games on TV, even if they sell out.

Look at some of the recent head coaching moves, Alpo Suhonen, Dirk Graham, Lorne Mollekan, Trent Yawney, Craig Hartsburg, Bob Pulford, Brian Sutter, and Denis Savard... That's since 1995. Eight head coaches in 13 seasons. Poor drafts, poor Free Agent decisions, poor GM's... AND FINALLY LAST BUT NOT LEAST.......POOR OWNERSHIP. They call him "Dollar Bill" for a reason. He's more interested in the bottom line rather than success on the ice.

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I hate to beat up Chicago, because everybody else is. I'm not even a Blackhawks fan.

They probably are a poorly run organization. Probably made some bad moves here and there. But as far as their attendence being very low, 14,000 on average, in a 20,000 plus arena. That isn't good.

But come on, when a team is doing poorly, their attendence suffers. When the Wings were the 'Dead Wings' in the 80s, it was pretty easy to get tickets for Wings game, even though they were a Original Six team.

Back in the early 90s, most people would have said Chicago had the loudest arena. I remember the Pens said that back in 1992 in the playoffs against them. Sure, it was playoffs, but when a team is doing well, people show up. When a team is doing well and people don't show, that is a problem. Nashville is the main example. But that's another story.

So are Hawks making bad decisions, probably. Getting Havlat is a good start. Great young player. But when the Hawks start to improve, so will their attendence. It really isn't much of a big deal.

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Edmonton

Edmonton

Edmonton

Edmonton

Edmonton

Kevin Lowe and the Investors Group who own the Oilers seem to have to hair brained idea that one lucky Cup final year will keep the fans captivated for 3 or 4 piss poor seasons. The problem is that the Oilers continue to make money, even if they SUCK - because fans here will also go to the games. The Investors Group has the money to sign players, but refuse to dish out the cash. Not to mention there seems to be a huge stigma against playing for the Oilers. It was rated one of the worst places to play in THN survey.

But hey..i guess you could make an argument that it IS a well run franchise. They are financially successful at least.... :rolleyes:

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Chicago: The owner has ran that team into the ground. Once had rabid fans, now just apathy

Islanders: Crazy leadership there gives 15 year contract to decent but not stellar goalie. What gives?

Columbus: There is no excuse for them not being competitive. Essentially fielding an AHL team every night.

Washington: How McPhee has held onto his job for so long is beyond me. Market full of transplants who root for other teams.

Boston: Another team ran into the ground. Boston fans are extremely loyal but even this owner has broken the fans loyalty.

But come on, when a team is doing poorly, their attendence suffers. When the Wings were the 'Dead Wings' in the 80s, it was pretty easy to get tickets for Wings game, even though they were a Original Six team.

That's what good leadership gets you. They brought in Holland and he built a team that would draw in fans and compete in the league. They now have a fiercely loyal fanbase that is spread all over the country. See what committed ownership and a solid GM gets you?

Edited by BAFGA

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1. Chicago Blackhawks

2. Phoenix Coyotes

3. Los Angles Kings

4. Washington Capitals

5. Boston Bruins

If you are talking about the worst run organizations throughout their existence, then the title without question must go to the Phoenix Coyotes/ Winnipeg Jets organization. This has always been a terrible club as they have only one like one playoff series since joining the NHL in 1979. It does not get any worse than that. Second worst goes to the Kings.

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1. Toronto Maple Leafs

2. Toronto Maple Leafs

3. Toronto Maple Leafs

4. Toronto Maple Leafs

5. Toronto Maple Leafs

Dammit! Nobody told me I could list the same team all 5 times! Well done sir, well done.

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When you think "worst-run" you think of:

1A. NY Isles

1B. Toronto

3. Phoenix

4. Chicago

5. Boston

I'd also love to know how to get a job in one of these organizations. A hockey resume sure as hell doesn't matter.

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