Coyotes Shopping Nick Boynton

[RedFX 48]

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx070624.html

I think he'd be a great addition. Only question is who we'd give up.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

I dont know ... i would like to see him on the wings ... but if we can sign sarich for cheaper i would go for sarich boynton is making almost 3 million

[detroitdeviant 0]

probably would take giving upa future goaltender.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

probably would take giving upa future goaltender.

I doubt that ... didnt they draft a goaltender?, anyways i think if we give up kronwall and sammy and throw in a 5th rounder or a 6th we probably would get him ...

[Mighty Wings 0]

I'm pretty sure they want some scoring help....especially a top 6 guy with a salary thats not too big.

Hudler + pick for Boynton???

[Guest Agalloch]

I doubt that ... didnt they draft a goaltender?, anyways i think if we give up kronwall and sammy and throw in a 5th rounder or a 6th we probably would get him ...

*sigh*

[Guest Crymson]

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx070624.html

I think he'd be a great addition. Only question is who we'd give up.

"Great addition." Of course, and you also bring up the catch: we'd need to give someone up. Good job on that one, and I mean it. Most people only bring someone up, and say "i think hed be great on the wings" without bringing up any prospect of what we'd need to give in exchange. Way to be realistic.

I'll give Phoenix $5 for him; he can do my grocery shopping.

Anyway, he's not better than Lilja on the defensive end, and he's not so much better than Lilja on the offensive end that he'll be worth the price.

Edited June 25, 2007 by Crymson

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

"Great addition." Of course, and you also bring up the catch: we'd need to give someone up. Good job on that one, and I mean it. Most people only bring someone up, and say "i think hed be great on the wings" without bringing up any prospect of what we'd need to give in exchange. Way to be realistic.

I'll give Phoenix $5 for him; he can do my grocery shopping.

Anyway, he's not better than Lilja on the defensive end, and he's not so much better than Lilja on the offensive end that he'll be worth the price.

Yeah but Boynton is a very physical blueliner, much moreso than any guy we have now. Not only does he finish checks HARD but Boynton is a very capable scrapper and has no problem getting into the nasty parts of the game and dropping the mits. He's exactly the kind of defenseman we don't have and desperately need.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Anyway, he's not better than Lilja on the defensive end, and he's not so much better than Lilja on the offensive end that he'll be worth the price.

He is much better then Lilja is every aspect.

Ask any GM and they'd rather have Boynton.

Anyways , I doubt Holland would give up anything large , Maybe Hudler and a pick , if they wouldnt accept that we cant get him.

I'd rather have Sarich , but Boynton would be a great addtion

[superstarsingh 23]

No thanks.

[Opie 308]

Boynton is not as good as people think, he was OK in Boston, and then average after that. As stated above he is making a lot of dinero!!

All I have to say:

59GP 2G 9A 11PT -13- 138 PIM 16:48 ATOI

I know being on a better team would help him however if you compare him to Lilja's stats he is a downgrade:

57GP 0G 5A 5PT +6 54PIM 15:25 ATOI

No one on the wings team had more than 66 PIM (according to ESPN) and that was Lang, do the wings need some one that is going to average that many PIMs. The only times in his career he has had under 90 PIMS he played 5 and 1 games in that season.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Nick Boynton is much better than Lilja, there is no question about it. I still favor my scenario involving Bryzgalov if Niedermayer decides he is going to retire. Anaheim will need a defenseman, Phoenix needs a goaltender.

[Guest DetroitIan]

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Nick Boynton is much better than Lilja, there is no question about it. I still favor my scenario involving Bryzgalov if Niedermayer decides he is going to retire. Anaheim will need a defenseman, Phoenix needs a goaltender.

Phoenix needs a netminder like we need oxygen. I could definitely see that going down.

Edited June 25, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Boynton is not as good as people think, he was OK in Boston, and then average after that. As stated above he is making a lot of dinero!!

All I have to say:

59GP 2G 9A 11PT -13- 138 PIM 16:48 ATOI

I know being on a better team would help him however if you compare him to Lilja's stats he is a downgrade:

57GP 0G 5A 5PT +6 54PIM 15:25 ATOI

No one on the wings team had more than 66 PIM (according to ESPN) and that was Lang, do the wings need some one that is going to average that many PIMs. The only times in his career he has had under 90 PIMS he played 5 and 1 games in that season.

Here's another example of somebody going loopy with statistics. How is that a downgrade? More points, more ice time, more PIM's but worse +/- b/c he played for Phoenix? That's a downgrade?

Lilja played on arguably the best team in the league, often paired with guys named Lidstrom or Markov or Chelios..not bad. Boynton played for one of the worst teams in Phoenix.

Boynton is nearly as big as Lils at 6-2, 210 the only difference is Boynton gets some of his PIM's for fighting and sticking up for his teammates. Maybe you're not into that sort of thing but all you ever hear about is how the Wings take too much abuse and won't fight back. Well, Boynton is one of those guys that when he sees a cheap shot on a teammate he's the 1st in their to make somebody pay for their transgressions. I love that kind of player.

Boynton has only played about 1/2 a season more than Lils but has 2x the points. So there's a stat that actually means something. Ed Jovanovski, Derek Morris and Kieth Ballard all had more points than Lils and were all minus players, does that mean they'd all be a downgrade as well?

Before Lilja had his great playoff run, he was public enemy #1 on the blueline and people were chomping at the bit that we'd deal him before the trade deadline. He was an absolute pariah on these boards. Yes, he had a great playoff run and if he can play that way all the time god love him, but he's no Nick Boynton that's for sure. If price were no object i'd take Boynton over Lils any day b/c of Boynton's toughness and willingness to fight and stick up for his mates.

[Opie 308]

How much of Nick Boynton have you actually watched?

How many of his games did you actually sit through?

I was not using his stats to base my opinion on, I was using them to show you that he is not better than Lilja.

When Boynton was in Beantown, I got to watch everyone of his games. He is overrated and overpaid.

You want more than stats, he is slower than Lilja. He really doesn't fight all that much.

The only upside he has on Lilja is that he is 3 years younger than Lils.

I am not a huge Lilja supporter but I have seen enough Nick Boynton to know that he is not better.

So maybe I worded my other post wrong....

Boynton is a Push at best and IMO a downgrade from Lilja.

BTW how is more PIM's a positive?

On a funny note I was looking up his scouting report notice the contradiction

Assets: Plays a physical game and loves a heavy workload. Is extremely reliable in the defensive zone. Is a very smooth skater and excellent puck-handler. Possesses a hard, accurate shot from the point.

Flaws: May not put up the points expected of him at the NHL level, unless he starts hitting the net with his shots more frequently.

How can he have an accurate shot as an asset yet his flaw is he can't hit the net??????? What???

Edited June 26, 2007 by Opie

[BeeRYCE 2]

He won Norris in my NHL 06 game. I'd say we take him.

[Opie 308]

LOL

Right Now Wienrich is one of my best D on NHL 07 lets get him too!!!

[eva unit zero 271]

Boynton has only played about 1/2 a season more than Lils but has 2x the points. So there's a stat that actually means something. Ed Jovanovski, Derek Morris and Kieth Ballard all had more points than Lils and were all minus players, does that mean they'd all be a downgrade as well?

Boynton, Jovo, Morris, and Ballard are all generally similar players who are better offensively than they are defensively, and play with a bit of an edge. The fact that Morris, Ballard, and Michalek all played more shorthanded time per game than Boynton highlights the fact that Boynton is defensively deficient; Ballard has never been a defensive stalwart and he was Phoenix's top penalty killer, followed by Michalek and Morris.

As far as Lilja's role on the team of stay at home depth defenseman? None of those guys would be a better choice. They are more offensively skilled, yes, but none is as capable defensively as Lilja. Detroit's roster this season included Lidstrom, Schneider, Kronwall, Lebda, Markov, and Chelios. Chelios, with 10, is the only player on that list who scored fewer points at even strength than Keith Ballard's 15, which was the most even strength scoring by any Phoenix defenseman. If we assume defensive defenseman Markov is gone, defensive defenseman Lilja is the same kind of player and can replace him. We don't need a defensively deficient offensive specialist who won't get PP time to replace our snarly stay-at-home type. If Schneider is not retained, Boynton MIGHT be worth pursuing. But at that point, it would be considered a downgrade of Schneider, not an upgrade of Lilja.

[Wildwings44 5]

I like this guy and love the way he hits. I wanted him last year. He gets hurt often though.

[Henkka 0]

Hudler + Lilja for Boynton + 3rd rounder would be very nice deal.

Then sign Preissing and we have 3 right handed defensemen.

Lidström - Boynton

Kronwall - Preissing

Lebda - Chelios

(Quincey)

That would be hell of a defence.

[Guest Crymson]

Nick Boynton is much better than Lilja, there is no question about it. I still favor my scenario involving Bryzgalov if Niedermayer decides he is going to retire. Anaheim will need a defenseman, Phoenix needs a goaltender.

The stats disagree. He's not such much better as to be worth the amount of money he costs over Lilja and whom we'd need to give up to get him.

Edited June 26, 2007 by Crymson

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

hes making close to 3 million a year , no thanks ill pass , id rather keep markov or go after sarich

The stats disagree. He's not such much better as to be worth the amount of money he costs over Lilja and whom we'd need to give up to get him.

still only determing if a player is good or not by checking his stats , good job lol

[rage 24]

I doubt that ... didnt they draft a goaltender?, anyways i think if we give up kronwall and sammy and throw in a 5th rounder or a 6th we probably would get him ...

Hell no bro! Why do people give up on this guy. Wings ain't gonna trade him anyway.

[Mighty Wings 0]

If there's anyone that the wings should try to trade for, its Robyn Regehr. He does not wish to resign or play with the Flames beyond next season. He's on the last year of his contract, makes roughly $2 million.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Word is the Islanders could be willing to deal Satan for Boynton. If true, Detroit will have a tough time matching that offer. That is unless Phoenix is really looking to dump salary. In that case Hudler might be an option.