Roberto Who? 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 After the series between the ducks and red wings i was thinkin there is definetly going to be a rivalry between these 2 teams for years to come...When the ducks signed schneider this definetly added fuel to the fire between the rivalry.... what does everyone else think? whats your take on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 No, there won't be a rivalry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 err...no one playoff series does not a rilvary make talk to me in 3 years. if the ducks make the conference finals without neidermayer again i'll be amazed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Definitely no rivalry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yc172 3 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 I think that any game between two teams at the top of the conference is going to be a battle. You never want to lose to the cream of the crop; especially when you are supposed to be right up there also. I think its more of a ducks vs. Chelios thing.. but then again you could say that for just about any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcitykid 42 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Having Schneider has nothing to do with anything. Yeh, there's a few idiots in here who are glad he's gone, but not everyone feels that way. He was a good defenseman for us, and it's funny some have short memories. Imagine he doesn't get hurt and we win the Cup. How many would say bring him back for another shot at a repeat? As for the Ducks - if indeed Scott Niedermayer retires, the outlook is much worse. With him IN the lineup they would've been hardpressed to get back to the Finals. Rivalries aren't made up. When the Ducks win a few more Cups or at LEAST a few more playoff rounds, then we'll see. Right now the Ducks are just another in a line of lucky teams who caught some breaks to win a Cup. It's likely they barely make the playoffs next year. They're just one of those types of teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 No. When will people understand this...YOU CAN NOT HAVE A HOCKEY RIVALRY WITHOUT FIGHTS. Anaheim has a plethora, but until Detroit gets at least a few regular mitt droppers it will never happen....not only with Anaheim but with any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 rivalry needs bad blood and subsequent wars for the cup. as for now it's the Ducks who have beaten Wings asses 2 times in a row during a relatively short span. and no real payback from the Wings (yet). this would also need more jerks running headless into oposing players in both teams. Pronger alone is not enough and is not that skill-less a*hole as Claude "The Turtle" or more recently Tootoo. if however Wings add some bulk and do kick Ducks out off playoffs next season - there is some chance for a rivalry. slim one, though. too little competition, too little bad blood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 No. When will people understand this...YOU CAN NOT HAVE A HOCKEY RIVALRY WITHOUT FIGHTS. Anaheim has a plethora, but until Detroit gets at least a few regular mitt droppers it will never happen....not only with Anaheim but with any team. thats bollocks. you don;t need fights, you need PASSION. hard checking and a few dirty plays will do a hell of a lot more than stupid staged fights between two enforces who have the hockey skills to be in the ECHL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roberto Who? 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 my personal oppinon is there wil be a rivalry but thats just me....with everything that happened in that series from pronger on homer to chelios not shaking hands to schneider coming here, i dunno....like most of u said u dont mind schneider leaving but to the ducks is what pisses all of you off....we will meet next year in the playoffs mark my words.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 thats bollocks. you don;t need fights, you need PASSION. hard checking and a few dirty plays will do a hell of a lot more than stupid staged fights between two enforces who have the hockey skills to be in the ECHL Passion, in turn, leads to fights. Umm...Detroit/Colorado, yep...that rivalry was loaded with ECHL'ers. Funny how the Wings havent had anything thats even came close to a rivalry since theyve abandoned fighting for the most part. (do not say Nashville...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Passion, in turn, leads to fights. Umm...Detroit/Colorado, yep...that rivalry was loaded with ECHL'ers. Funny how the Wings havent had anything thats even came close to a rivalry since theyve abandoned fighting for the most part. (do not say Nashville...) Also funny that at the same time the rivalries died as soon as the Wings rivals turned into garbage teams. Umm... St. Louis, Chicago, Colorado, Toronto we don't play, but they're garbage, Montreal we don't play, but they're garbage. Competitiveness leads to passion which leads to fights. Can't have one without the other 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 you don;t need fights, you need PASSION. hard checking and a few dirty plays will do a hell of a lot more than stupid staged fights between two enforces who have the hockey skills to be in the ECHL you're just contradicting obvious implications of what you state. passion, hard checking and some dirty plays lead to boiling blood. and this is a straightforward recipe for dropped gloves and a series of good fights, not necesarilly sequentially (yes, I mean: paralelly!). a rivalry is when you hate your opponent and want to beat the hell out of him. not just on the scoreboard. you can loose a game or two, but if you make the other team suffer for it, and I mean it: to SUFFER, you are the moral winner and the other team feels bitter. which leads to a sad conclusion: as long as "powerplay is our enforcer" or other BS like that, Wings will not have a rivalry. maybe the Cup or two, maybe some other iron hardware, but not a good rivalry filled with some nice bloodbaths, some good bitching between players and zillions of fans cursing the other guys like crazy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 If the Wings pick somebody up that will drop the gloves and mix it up with Pronger and if the two meet again in the playoffs I can see a rivalry building. It would take a lot of cheapshots to come close to some of the Wings classic rivalries, but oh how the times change. Like Heaton said, Chicago, St. Louis and Colorado weren't playoff teams last year and Toronto and Montreal are off the new and retarded schedule for the Wings. The Ducks can't make up for years of bad blood the the Wings have with other teams, but a new rivalry COULD be born, if not shortlived. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 There will be a bit of a rivalry next year, but what happens next year will determine whether or not it grows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Also funny that at the same time the rivalries died as soon as the Wings rivals turned into garbage teams. Umm... St. Louis, Chicago, Colorado, Toronto we don't play, but they're garbage, Montreal we don't play, but they're garbage. Competitiveness leads to passion which leads to fights. Can't have one without the other 2. The Colorado rivalry had died off long before they became not good. (but I more blame both sides for that) My point is even if these other teams were good though, the rivalry still wouldnt be there imo. I understand totally what you're saying, but you still have to have guys who'll fight in place to begin with. If you have that in place, who knows where you're next rival can come from! Who woulda thought Colorado wouldve became that team back in the day? Maybe the regular season games between the Wings and Ducks couldve been really heated and became something...who knows. The Preds had alot of fighters, maybe that couldve been became good as well. Without the fighters, you have no chance for one...thats what im saying. (and no, when i say fighters...im not just talking about guys like Boogaard) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 After the series between the ducks and red wings i was thinkin there is definetly going to be a rivalry between these 2 teams for years to come...When the ducks signed schneider this definetly added fuel to the fire between the rivalry.... what does everyone else think? whats your take on it? Too early to accurately say this, but this past playoff series and Schneider's signning with the Ducks could be a start, but Schneider's getting into his latter years, I wouldn't expect him to play for the Ducks after 2, maybe 3 seasons, but that is just one stupid man's opinion. *shrugs* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 lol @ this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 brad may lool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 I certainly think the Ducks have arrived at "rival" status....or are at least fast approaching.... You have all the Wings wanting to avenge their playoff loss, and the Ducks players who realize how close they came to losing, the general consensus being that they got out-played for all but 4-5 periods of the series. Which leads me to believe that the young Ducks team would still be intimidated by the always poised and classy Red Wings. You have the fact that Schneider and Bertuzzi left for Anaheim, players on the Wings will be thinking "Do they think the Ducks are better than us? " and want to hit them a little harder and put a little bit more effort into their play. There is a little Schneider vs Rafalski thing, Matty will be thinking "So they brought in Rafalski to replace me? I'll show them I'm better than him " There was also that little brawl during the last regular season game, the game which Lilja fought Moen and instantly the bashing stopped, and coincidentally his play dramatically turned around (the game/fight in which the nickname "Pain Train" was concieved). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 All it is, is two FA signings. Bert wasn't even a real factor he played for us for two months. Personally, I hate the Ducks, but unless the future has something in store for us. We are no rivalry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) If the Wings pick somebody up that will drop the gloves and mix it up with Pronger and if the two meet again in the playoffs I can see a rivalry building.... If Pronger drops his gloves, I can see pigs flying. Anyway, I didn't think this was a rivalry after the loss to them in the playoffs this season. After all, you have to beat your opponent in the decade (or at least be within a few hundred miles of them) before it can be a rivalry.... And it helps if both teams have fans. But now that the Ducks are out there trying to provoke us and embarass us by signing our free agents, well, I hate them. Not as much as I hated Colorado, but give them time. I'm sure they'll piss me off more soon. Edited July 3, 2007 by jaytan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRockit 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 If Pronger drops his gloves, I can see pigs flying. Anyway, I didn't think this was a rivalry after the loss to them in the playoffs this season. After all, you have to beat your opponent in the decade (or at least be within a few hundred miles of them) before it can be a rivalry.... And it helps if both teams have fans. But now that the Ducks are out there trying to provoke us and embarass us by signing our free agents, well, I hate them. Not as much as I hated Colorado, but give them time. I'm sure they'll piss me off more soon. Yeah, doesn't a really excellent rivalry in hockey have to encompass some dire hatred at its core? I've loathed Pronger for years and years, and his performance in this year's playoffs exacerbated that to an nth degree.But that's just one player, and I've hated him wherever he played. I do think that the Duck organization, and incidentally the NHL, would like nothing better than to bring back a Wings/Avs-type rivalry, but I hardly think that their signing Matty and Bert gets it done. Like you said, though-- maybe with some time. I do despise the Quackhead GM and coach, and that's quite promising! Sabres/Sens this year had all the elements of a great up-and-coming rivalry, but sadlyI think that probably will fizzle out to nothing this coming season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 I agree with you Roberto - this COULD be the beginning of a good rivalry. This was the first year the top two seeds met in the WCF since '02. I know you guys have been there a few times - but it's always to play the one-playoff-wonders. The Ducks OR the Wings aren't that kind of team. In the new age of free agency, it will be hard to establish long-lasting rivalries. I'm really hoping for a Ducks-Wings series in next years' playoffs. I don't know what some people are smokin' on this board, but these are two good teams that will be in the mix next year regardless of the signings right now. The FA pick-ups of Schneider and Bertuzzi will only add fuel to the fire. I guess this means we need to sign on of your players in return - who do you want to give up?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 If Pronger drops his gloves, I can see pigs flying. Anyway, I didn't think this was a rivalry after the loss to them in the playoffs this season. After all, you have to beat your opponent in the decade (or at least be within a few hundred miles of them) before it can be a rivalry.... And it helps if both teams have fans. But now that the Ducks are out there trying to provoke us and embarass us by signing our free agents, well, I hate them. Not as much as I hated Colorado, but give them time. I'm sure they'll piss me off more soon. I have always hated the Ducks. Always. I think the only player on their team that is worthy of anyting is Selanne, but are we rivals? No. When I first heard about Matty and Bert I was a bit upset...then I realized Kenny has a plan I'm sure, and we won't be falling out of playoff contention over those two guys. But, just because I hate the "Disney Ducks" if you will doesn't mean enough of us do nor does it mean we will be rivals just over my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
