Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 2005-06 Bruins 64 24 29 53 2006-07 Bruins 59 28 17 45 2005-06 Red Wings 71 23 22 45 2006-07 Red Wings 53 14 20 34 A roughly ten-point difference in points per season, despite the fact that Murray plays far more minutes than Sammy. Incomparable? Right. Thanks for proving that you entered this discussion despite knowing nothing about Glen Murray. 2001-2002 Bruins 73 35 25 60 2002-2003 Bruins 82 44 48 92 2003-2004 Bruins 81 32 28 60 2002-2003 Rangers 58 8 14 22 2002-2003 Penguins 22 2 0 2 2003-2004 Panthers 37 3 6 9 1 is murray, 2 is sammy. Sammy's highest point total ever is 45. I like sammy but he will never blow that record out of the water. Murray is bigger stronger, and CAN put up numbers in the 70-90 range. I believe murray is way better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 2001-2002 Bruins 73 35 25 60 2002-2003 Bruins 82 44 48 92 2003-2004 Bruins 81 32 28 60 2002-2003 Rangers 58 8 14 22 2002-2003 Penguins 22 2 0 2 2003-2004 Panthers 37 3 6 9 1 is murray, 2 is sammy. Sammy's highest point total ever is 45. I like sammy but he will never blow that record out of the water. Murray is bigger stronger, and CAN put up numbers in the 70-90 range. I believe murray is way better. no question but not for more than 2M per max. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) I never said I wanted Comrie on this team. The last thing the Wings need is another small center. I know you're looking at the glass half-full, but I just cannot stand Yashin. I never liked him for what he did in Ottawa during the 1999-2000 season by sitting out an entire season just because the management wouldn't throw in a couple more 0's on his paycheck. The fact we also got rid of Lang finally means we have been freed of an extremely lazy second line center. Why bother bringing in another one? I don't get it. Yashin would be no different then Lang. He's a player with a lot of talent, but doesn't utilize it all. And unlike Lang, Yashin can't even score in the playoffs. At least with Lang, you got his clutch goals. Yashin wouldn't even provide that. If Holland signs Yashin to a contract worth anything over 1 million a season, I will lose all faith in this team. Yashin might be a decent option for less then 1 million, but not anything more. Sergei Fedorov sat out too, so did Marian Gaborik, as have other players. It happens. As for liking Yashin, I dont like him either. Im not dying for the Wings to get him and, like you, Id be pissed if the contract terms were too much, particularly in length, because Id only like him here if it were on a one year contract. But I do like that he puts up points regardless of whether hes on a decent team or a s***ty team. Regardless of whether he tries or not. As for the playoff thing, well I expect this team to make some healthy additions at the deadline anyways with the extra money theyll have and players coming cheap. Edited July 4, 2007 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 I would like to point out that Glen Murray has a contract north of $4M/yr for 2 more years. If we acquire him *shudder* it won't be for anything less than that. Glen is NOT a free agent. Yashin is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 2005-06 Bruins 64 24 29 53 2006-07 Bruins 59 28 17 45 2005-06 Red Wings 71 23 22 45 2006-07 Red Wings 53 14 20 34 A roughly ten-point difference in points per season, despite the fact that Murray plays far more minutes than Sammy. Incomparable? Right. Thanks for proving that you entered this discussion despite knowing nothing about Glen Murray. Not sure why you need to be an ass about it with your response (I know nothing about Glen Murray?). Just so you know, I have known Murray quite well since his days in junior (not personally, but as a player). I see you have conviently taken Sammy's best years for the comparison, but I'll let that slide since it is the 2 most recent years, but even looking at those stats, I don't see how Sammy's 0.64ppg and 0.30gpg are comparable to Murray's 0.80ppg and 0.42gpg. Extrapolate over an 82 game season and Sammny gets 24 goals and 52 pts compared to Murray's 35 goals and 65 pts. Maybe you think those are comparable stats, I don't. If you want to take their career totals into perspective, Sammy has 0.18gpg and 0.41ppg compared to Murray's 0.34gpg and 0.66ppg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 I would like to point out that Glen Murray has a contract north of $4M/yr for 2 more years. If we acquire him *shudder* it won't be for anything less than that. Glen is NOT a free agent. Yashin is. NN- I certainly dont want him, but why would you "shudder" at the thought of getting Glen Murray? You said in the Kozlov thread that you believed Slava is what we needed because he has big goal scoring ability. Out of Kozlov, Yashin, and Murray...Murray is easily the consistent scorer of the group. But you'd rather have the other 2? Why is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 Bill Guerin apparently is looking for 3.5M. Guess thats why we havent heard anything about Detroit being interested. Thats too much for the guy. Im starting to think Detroit should just shed Lilja, maybe to Vancouver where they are in need of cheap defensive depth, and sign Sutton. Our forward lineup would be suspect, but Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Sutton, Lebda, and Chelios would be a stellar defensive mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 Bill Guerin apparently is looking for 3.5M. Guess thats why we havent heard anything about Detroit being interested. Thats too much for the guy. Im starting to think Detroit should just shed Lilja, maybe to Vancouver where they are in need of cheap defensive depth, and sign Sutton. Our forward lineup would be suspect, but Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Sutton, Lebda, and Chelios would be a stellar defensive mix. While im not against your plan, a cheaper alternative to Sutton that i like is Shane Hnidy. There was something in the rumor mill about signing with Anaheim, but ive yet to see any confirmation of that. Hnidy hasnt been talked about at all here, but he'd make for a real nice Markov replacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 NN- I certainly dont want him, but why would you "shudder" at the thought of getting Glen Murray? You said in the Kozlov thread that you believed Slava is what we needed because he has big goal scoring ability. Out of Kozlov, Yashin, and Murray...Murray is easily the consistent scorer of the group. But you'd rather have the other 2? Why is that? Because he's the most expensive, the worst skater, and seems to have had troubles staying healthy since the lockout (conditioning problems after the year off?). Not to mention we'd have to trade for him while the others (well not Kozlov anymore) we would have only had to sign from the market. And I didn't specifically say goal scoring ability. Just scoring period. The other two can score well enough, but also create goals for linemates. Glen not so much from what I've seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 another thing to add to the sammy murray comparison, sammy played more games with less points as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 4, 2007 2001-2002 Bruins 73 35 25 60 2002-2003 Bruins 82 44 48 92 2003-2004 Bruins 81 32 28 60 2002-2003 Rangers 58 8 14 22 2002-2003 Penguins 22 2 0 2 2003-2004 Panthers 37 3 6 9 1 is murray, 2 is sammy. Sammy's highest point total ever is 45. I like sammy but he will never blow that record out of the water. Murray is bigger stronger, and CAN put up numbers in the 70-90 range. I believe murray is way better. I do believe the pre-lockout numbers for BOTH players mean next to nothing at this point. Murray has not shown any ability to put up his former totals in the post-lockout era. Players DO decline in ability as they get older, you know. Murray has been precipitously declining. Meanwhile, Sammy found his stride in the post-lockout era. He has put up consistently good numbers for two seasons now. Murray has put up consistently declining totals in the last two seasons, as is fitting with his age. Sure, Murray is bigger and stronger... and, like Lang, he uses it for NOTHING. Murray also costs three times what Sammy costs. I think the comparison is a no-brainer. He's maybe 25% better than Sammy for 300% of the price. Not sure why you need to be an ass about it with your response (I know nothing about Glen Murray?). Just so you know, I have known Murray quite well since his days in junior (not personally, but as a player). I see you have conviently taken Sammy's best years for the comparison, but I'll let that slide since it is the 2 most recent years, but even looking at those stats, I don't see how Sammy's 0.64ppg and 0.30gpg are comparable to Murray's 0.80ppg and 0.42gpg. Extrapolate over an 82 game season and Sammny gets 24 goals and 52 pts compared to Murray's 35 goals and 65 pts. Maybe you think those are comparable stats, I don't. If you want to take their career totals into perspective, Sammy has 0.18gpg and 0.41ppg compared to Murray's 0.34gpg and 0.66ppg. Career totals are totally irrelevant at this time, given Murray's advancing age and declining production, and given Sammy's different play in the last two years. Okay, so if we 'extrapolate' those stats to a full year, Murray logs .16 more ppg and .12 more gpg than does Sammy. Does the fact that he probably plays 25% more minutes than Sammy figure into those totals? I doubt it. another thing to add to the sammy murray comparison, sammy played more games with less points as well As Samuelsson has played a total of one more game in the past two seasons than has Murray, I fail to see how this argument carries any weight whatsoever. I'll list you the stats again: Murray -- 59 + 64 = 123 2005-06 Bruins 64 24 29 53 2006-07 Bruins 59 28 17 45 Samuelsson -- 71 + 53 = 124 2005-06 Red Wings 71 23 22 45 2006-07 Red Wings 53 14 20 34 I'd take this season as an even greater indicator of their relative values, given the consistent decline in Murray's numbers. Sammy, in fact, played LESS games this year than did Murray. Meanwhile, his production rose relative to Murray's. If one extrapolates their numbers out to fit an 82-game schedule, Sammy would have ~52.6 points to Murray's ~62.5 for the season. That's a ten-point difference. Murray is not much better than is Sammy; worse, he's on the decline and the structural integrity of his groin is highly suspect. Add that to the fact that he's totally lazy, and you've got a guy who really isn't worth anywhere in the league of $4m per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullockz Report post Posted July 5, 2007 glenn murray is a bum! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
