Feldmarschall 9 Report post Posted July 7, 2007 If Lilja played to his full potential all the time, Brett Lebda would be the #7 guy. Since Lilja can't seem to put together a coherent season's worth of physical play, Lebda still wins the usefulness department. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 7, 2007 Lilja's the man. He brings a little bit of toughness to the team, and he drops the gloves. I may sound fight orientated but I believe we have enough skill on the team and we need balencing out with some toughness. Lilja is our tough guy. Hes the Pain Train remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 7, 2007 (edited) I've never really liked Liljas play , Kronwall has better hockey sense and thats saying something. But he picked it up in the playoffs and he isnt afraid of the roughstuff , which is nice. I'd rather Lebda's speed as he enters the zone then Liljas. It was one of our biggest problems agaisnt Anaheim. It really doesnt matter because Markovs not coming back and both are going to play. Edited July 7, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 7, 2007 Other than moving the puck outta our zone in a hurry, & potentially creating an odd man rush against our opponent Exactly. Lebda's not exactly a top two defenseman but his speed helps break the trap and create odd man rushes. This past season I saw the Wings running several set plays from their own end using Lebda and Kronwall to beat the trap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 7, 2007 Not against the Flyers he didn't; wasn't 'till the last few weeks of the regular season, & into the playoffs did he actually play like he had a pair of nads; better late than never I guess. He was just getting into his groove or summit like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Maybe he's trying to though everyone a curveball? I dont know, but in my mind he's definitely made his fair share of screwball decisions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lebda4Pres Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I dont think Kronwall is that good. He is able to put up ok #s but he sucks more than a $5 dollar ***** in his own end i think he sucks and i dont no why every1 thinks he is so good he is always fanning on shots, passes and he is so injury prone and we consider this guy a conerstone......WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I dont think Kronwall is that good. He is able to put up ok #s but he sucks more than a $5 dollar ***** in his own end i think he sucks and i dont no why every1 thinks he is so good he is always fanning on shots, passes and he is so injury prone and we consider this guy a conerstone......WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can you even say Kronwall sucks when you obviously think Lebda is great? That doesnt add up, because there is zero question that Kronwall is superior to Lebda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I dont think Kronwall is that good. He is able to put up ok #s but he sucks more than a $5 dollar ***** in his own end i think he sucks and i dont no why every1 thinks he is so good he is always fanning on shots, passes and he is so injury prone and we consider this guy a conerstone......WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you by any chance, drunk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lebda4Pres Report post Posted July 8, 2007 How can you even say Kronwall sucks when you obviously think Lebda is great? That doesnt add up, because there is zero question that Kronwall is superior to Lebda. I cant agree i think Lebda has much more potential than Kronwall .. Hes faster, smarter , can actually handle the puck compared to kronner and Lebda is less injury prone. Kronwall fans on everything all hes got is an okay shot and a hard hit but nothing else hes bad in own end he cant handle the puck and he makes rookie mistakes Im nnot sayinglebda is some norris trophy winner im saying that he has the potential to be 1 and Kronner doesnt. Are you by any chance, drunk? Are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 How can you even say Kronwall sucks when you obviously think Lebda is great? That doesnt add up, because there is zero question that Kronwall is superior to Lebda. Still , Kronwall does fan on alot of shots/passes , hes very injury prone and people are making him out to be this superstar , when really at this point in his career hes a top 4 defenceman at best. He could get better as he hasent even played a full season and hes 25. Heres hoping he plays 70+ games next season and develops more physically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Not against the Flyers he didn't; wasn't 'till the last few weeks of the regular season, & into the playoffs did he actually play like he had a pair of nads; better late than never I guess. Lilly had to find his place on this team. After he did he played a consistently rough game. I don't foresee him lapsing back into his old style (aka "the turnover machine"). I'm sure he knows what he has to bring to the team to stay on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) I cant agree i think Lebda has much more potential than Kronwall .. Hes faster, smarter , can actually handle the puck compared to kronner and Lebda is less injury prone. Kronwall fans on everything all hes got is an okay shot and a hard hit but nothing else hes bad in own end he cant handle the puck and he makes rookie mistakes Im nnot sayinglebda is some norris trophy winner im saying that he has the potential to be 1 and Kronner doesnt. Are you? I love Lebda just as much as the next person, but when it comes to who's better when healthy,Nik is far more distinguished. You mention that Lebda is faster, smarter, and can actually control the puck, does that mean you think Kronwall isn't any of these things? First off, aside from Draper Lebda is probably the fastest guy on the Wings so that really means nothing and doesn't say a lot. Also, he is put out in pressure situations, and out on the point in the PP for a reason. He's got great vision, smart, and *can* handle the puck. He's quite a great passer as well. He just needs to stay healthy. That's the only thing bringing him down. Once he gets going you'll see what I mean. He'll be one of the best. Edited July 8, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I dont know, but in my mind he's definitely made his fair share of screwball decisions! Maybe he's just forgotten that our rotation doesn't include a knuckleballer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lebda4Pres Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I would have no problem with Kronwall if he earned the honor of franchise player but everyone thinks of him as much more than he is. He needs tto improve on his skills and i could change my mind(don't count on i) but forrite now i flat out hate Kronwall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Maybe he's just forgotten that our rotation doesn't include a knuckleballer? Maybe someone should w.h.i.p. him till he comes to his senses? Hey, remember that day McCarty got a split finger when he fought Tinordi? Now that was something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Isn't that the same fight Tinordi lost his 2 front chickletts courtesy of DDS DMac If my memory serves me right DMac cut his finger/hand on Tinordi's teeth - just prior to them landing onto the ice :hockeysmile: Yep, McCarty dropped Tinordi good in that one, cutting his hand on Mark's teeth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Maybe someone should w.h.i.p. him till he comes to his senses? Hey, remember that day McCarty got a split finger when he fought Tinordi? Now that was something. Maybe someone shout hit Holland so hard he gets the runs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Maybe someone shout hit Holland so hard he gets the runs? If he wants any credit from me for a run, he'll probably have to do a sacrifice and fly himself out of Detroit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 If he wants any credit from me for a run, he'll probably have to do a sacrifice and fly himself out of Detroit You don't think he maybe just needs a little relief every now and then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 I'm kinda surprised nobody on the team gave him a new nickname ie DDS Darren, or DMac the dentist Then again nothing's wrong with DMac. He doesnt exactly have a dentists smile though! :hockeysmile: Does he even have the wisdom to be working on teeth? Although, i must say....though i dont want him back right now when he left I felt a toughness cavity on the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 Lou , what is with you and puns anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 He doesnt exactly have a dentists smile though! :hockeysmile: Does he even have the wisdom to be working on teeth? Although, i must say....though i dont want him back right now when he left I felt a toughness cavity on the Wings. And ever since, you have been pushing Asham to help bridge the gap, and saying that if we picked up a guy like that, opposing players should brace for impact? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2007 You don't think he maybe just needs a little relief every now and then? Well I dont know about Holland, but i sure as hell need Rolaids relief every offseason! Lou , what is with you and puns anyway? Just call me Dustin Punner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
