Offsides 21 Report post Posted July 13, 2007 The Wings screwed around with Fedorov A LOT on his contracts. When Fedorov gambled in 97 by not signing before the playoffs, and then winning a Cup, the Wings decided to NOT offer him a raise. Yeah, it's a business, but I think that Fedorov was just getting sick of being screwed around with on the team. It might sound dumb but it was pretty much a slap in the face every time his contract came up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Nut 19 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2007 No Question. Stevie Y was and IS The Detroit Redwings. He will forever be the benchmark of Hockey in Detroit and 100 years from now no one will know who Fedorov was but Yzerman will have since passed into LEGEND. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 13, 2007 The Wings screwed around with Fedorov A LOT on his contracts. When Fedorov gambled in 97 by not signing before the playoffs, and then winning a Cup, the Wings decided to NOT offer him a raise. Yeah, it's a business, but I think that Fedorov was just getting sick of being screwed around with on the team. It might sound dumb but it was pretty much a slap in the face every time his contract came up. Totally agree... Dom didn't even win a cup and lil' Ja hadn't even played all that well when they bot got raises for their contracts. The wings did f&%k with Sergei during his negotations... you would think after winning a cup you would be seen as more valuable in your teams eyes... for everyone else that seems to be the case after they have a decent performance. Go figure the Mighty Wings actually f$%k players over? I don't believe it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 13, 2007 (edited) Going by the 90's makes things more difficult since Bowman transformed Yzerman's role on the team. A more direct question might have been who's the better scorer? 80's Yzerman or 90's Fedorov. A great deal of similarities could be argued between these two during the course of their careers. They both came out guns-a-blazing on the score sheet, and as their careers progressed, they became all-around complete players. Since becoming that type of player, their numbers obviously dropped. If you want to compare who was the better scorer in their primes, I'd give the edge to Yzerman. Keep in mind if you talk about the pinnacle of their offensive careers, during Stevie's most point productive season he scored 155 points and 65 goals, where as Federov's top season was 120 points and 56 goals. Stevie has 6 100-point seasons compared to Sergei's 2. Once again, advantage Yzerman. But going back to the exact question posed in this thread, neglecting the 80's and just focusing on the 90's, I'd say Federov was a more talented scorer, where Stevie was the all-around better player. Edited July 13, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 The Wings screwed around with Fedorov A LOT on his contracts. When Fedorov gambled in 97 by not signing before the playoffs, and then winning a Cup, the Wings decided to NOT offer him a raise. Yeah, it's a business, but I think that Fedorov was just getting sick of being screwed around with on the team. It might sound dumb but it was pretty much a slap in the face every time his contract came up. Got to disagree here. I don't know what Fedorov was making prior to the year he had a lengthy sitout in 1997-98, and you definitely want to measure what you worth is in any job/career, compared to other people doing your job, but I remember specifically seeing one report of the Wings offering him $11M/year I think at one point, or something with that figure. You got to think they were increasing the offers for him, even before Carolina made a huge offer to sign him, which the Wings eventually matched. And this was in the late part of that season, so it invovled a lot of $$$'s, and I don't remember seeing/hearing many other teams make a pitch for Fedorov that deep in the season other than Detroit and Carolina. And he signed with Anaheim for less than what Detroit offered him a few years ago, if I remember correctly. I'm not one of those who doesn't appreciate what Fedorov did with the Wings, I don't get into the razzing/booing of him, I like Fedorov. But, at initial glance, I think it's a stretch to say that the Wings 'screwed' around with Fedorov and his contracts. Totally agree... Dom didn't even win a cup and lil' Ja hadn't even played all that well when they bot got raises for their contracts. The wings did f&%k with Sergei during his negotations... you would think after winning a cup you would be seen as more valuable in your teams eyes... for everyone else that seems to be the case after they have a decent performance. Go figure the Mighty Wings actually f$%k players over? I don't believe it It's a business, and with that large of an organization and $$$'s you got to consider 20+ players, other high-end office employees, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 I have said it once and I will keep saying it.... FEDOROV All the way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 For the record, I think Feds should have won Conn Smythe in '97. Just sayin'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 ^^ you aren't just sayin'.... you be speaking the truth! Preach IT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) Interesting thing about offer sheets... the player has to sign it before the owning club has to respond. More talent= Fedorov More Important to the Wings= Yzerman More emotional baggage: Fedorov Edit to add the following More skill= Yzerman Edited July 15, 2007 by vangvace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Interesting thing about offer sheets... the player has to sign it before the owning club has to respond. More talent= Fedorov More Important to the Wings= Yzerman More emotional baggage: Fedorov I agree with everything there. Except the talent thing. Fedorov had tons of talent. But there has been so many times in the past where I seen things from Stevie that I had never seen. Yzerman used to litterally blow me away. IMO Yzerman was not only the more important player, but also the most talented. But Fedorov is RIGHT up there. Both amazing players! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 14, 2007 Got to disagree here. I don't know what Fedorov was making prior to the year he had a lengthy sitout in 1997-98, and you definitely want to measure what you worth is in any job/career, compared to other people doing your job, but I remember specifically seeing one report of the Wings offering him $11M/year I think at one point, or something with that figure. You got to think they were increasing the offers for him, even before Carolina made a huge offer to sign him, which the Wings eventually matched. And this was in the late part of that season, so it invovled a lot of $$$'s, and I don't remember seeing/hearing many other teams make a pitch for Fedorov that deep in the season other than Detroit and Carolina. And he signed with Anaheim for less than what Detroit offered him a few years ago, if I remember correctly. I'm not one of those who doesn't appreciate what Fedorov did with the Wings, I don't get into the razzing/booing of him, I like Fedorov. But, at initial glance, I think it's a stretch to say that the Wings 'screwed' around with Fedorov and his contracts. Fedorov was making $4.3M in '96-'97. Considering the Carolina offersheet averaged out to $6.3M/yr I highly doubt he was offered $11M/yr at any point in those negotiations. Also remember that $12M of that offersheet was a bonus that he was HIGHLY unlikely to earn with Carolina. Had the Wings not matched he'd have made his old $4.3M/yr. There's a reason his agent made some comment afterwards that hinted the whole offersheet business was done purely to end the stalemate and that they didn't expect to be playing for the Hurricanes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
