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#21 Feldmarschall

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:50 AM

If it isn't the Rags, it could very well end up being the Pens. Soooo many bandwagoners.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE(North Guy @ July 17, 2007 - 12:30AM) View Post
But if the New York Rangers become a force (from signing those dudes) then they will become America's team in the NHL.


I've never seen the US more interested in hockey as when the Rangers won the Cup in 1994. The Red Wings are #1 locally and they have a great national following but that's because they've been consistently good since the mid 1980s. If the Rangers had that type of consistency, they'd be huge.


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Posted 17 July 2007 - 08:24 AM

QUOTE(Icer @ July 17, 2007 - 07:46AM) View Post

I've never seen the US more interested in hockey as when the Rangers won the Cup in 1994. The Red Wings are #1 locally and they have a great national following but that's because they've been consistently good since the mid 1980s. If the Rangers had that type of consistency, they'd be huge.

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There's a reason Saturday afternoon hockey on NBC had its analysts located in downtown New York, and why the Rangers where almost always involved in one of the three games they offered that day.

True, the Wings are probably America's team, but if the Rangers had the same type of consistency the past 20 years, they'd probably be bigger.
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Posted 17 July 2007 - 08:36 AM

Great for the Wings but i figured it would be a close second or a tie between the Ranges.
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Posted 17 July 2007 - 08:55 AM

Does that mean the Leafs are Canada's team?!? ohmy.gif

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Well the Wings had the last of the big 3 Canadians retire with them biggrin.gif So I'll say the Wings are Canada's team blush.gif
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Posted 17 July 2007 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE(betterREDthandead @ July 16, 2007 - 09:31PM) View Post

I like how you take a flip comment by a blogger (NOT a journalist) and turn it into how the American media wants to destroy the NHL.

Anyway, back to the original point of the thread: I say, SWEET. Anyone notice that the Wings topped the Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers in approval rating? Also, the Pistons and Michigan football also garnered a mention in their respective sports.

Fact is, the Red Wings are not just America's hockey team, but the world's. Apologies to Peter Forsberg and Jaromir Jagr, but we have the world's pre-eminent Swedish player and the world's pre-eminent Czech player suiting up for our team. And once upon a time, the world's pre-eminent Russian player, too. On this site alone we've got fans from Sweden, England, Scotland, Finland, the Netherlands, Hungary, Italy, Russia, and Australia and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe Poland? Switzerland?

Now, it's worth noting that this blogger is based out of Flint. So maybe, some bias. But still. I'd call it just another nugget of proof that Detroit is the epicenter of the sports world in America. Best sports fans, best sports town, period. Not Boston, not Dallas, not New York, not Los Angeles, not Chicago. Detroit.

Don't forget about the Wings also at one time having IMO sports greatest captian, and one of Canada's greatest players either.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 09:46 AM

I could see the top 5 being something like...

1. Detroit
2. Boston
3. Rangers
4. Buffalo
5. Philly

None of those were really surprising. In college football I would have thought Ohio State or Michigan, and in the NFL I would have thought Green Bay, Chicago, or Pittsburgh. Still, nothing unexpected there.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 10:31 AM

i dont know about boston being in that category i honestly think minnesota should be thrown in the top 5, they have sold out every game in there franchise 7 year history even preseason gms.
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Posted 17 July 2007 - 10:43 AM

Boston has ALOT of fans internationally though.

Where I live, all the favourite teams consist of Detroit, Toronto, and Montreal. Right behind them 3, lies Boston.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE(DetroitIan @ July 16, 2007 - 08:28PM) View Post

Nope. They were definitely not in the .600s. The Red Wings were the ONLY team in the .600 and above. Do research if ya need to. But I know for a fact we were the only one that high. That I know. I couldnt remember exactly where the devils were. But they werent near ours. Check up on it. Prove me wrong.

Since the 1989-90 season the Red Wings had 770 wins, 420 losses (including OTL) which equals a .647 winning percentage.

In that same time frame, New Jersey had 711 wins and 477 losses (including OTL) which equals a .594 winning percentage.

You're right, the Devil's weren't at .600. Although I'd say they're a lot better than the .460 than you originally claimed, and I'd say they were pretty damn close to the Wings.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 04:38 PM

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Since the 1989-90 season the Red Wings had 770 wins, 420 losses (including OTL) which equals a .647 winning percentage.

In that same time frame, New Jersey had 711 wins and 477 losses (including OTL) which equals a .594 winning percentage.

You're right, the Devil's weren't at .600. Although I'd say they're a lot better than the .460 than you originally claimed, and I'd say they were pretty damn close to the Wings.



I already said before that I was never sure of the exact percentages. I just knew we were .600+. And not one other team was. And just so ya know, .594 and .647 isnt as close as you think when we're talking about 18 seasons worth of games. And not one other team is even within the .600s? As I said before. We are by far the most winning team in almost two decades. So it makes perfect sense that the Red Wings are America's team.

Edited by DetroitIan, 17 July 2007 - 04:40 PM.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE(DetroitIan @ July 17, 2007 - 09:38PM) View Post

As I said before. We are by far the most winning team in almost two decades. So it makes perfect sense that the Red Wings are America's team.


That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. laugh.gif

1) I've always though that labeling any team in any sport as, "America's team"....is stupid. And writing an article that discusses who is "America's team" in each major sport, is even more stupid.

2) And why in the hell does it make "perfect sense" that one of the more successful teams over the past 10 years, is "America's team"? Are you saying Americans are nothing more than bandwagon fans?

3) And I've got news for you...Detroit is also one of the most hated teams in the NHL as well...so I'm not sure where that figured into the equation.

The whole concept is dumb to me. But whatever.



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Posted 18 July 2007 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE(cprice12 @ July 18, 2007 - 01:28AM) View Post

3) And I've got news for you...Detroit is also one of the most hated teams in the NHL as well...so I'm not sure where that figured into the equation.

So are the New York Yankees, and their arguably "America's team" in the MLB.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 12:53 AM

QUOTE(cprice12 @ July 18, 2007 - 01:28AM) View Post

2) And why in the hell does it make "perfect sense" that one of the more successful teams over the past 10 years, is "America's team"? Are you saying Americans are nothing more than bandwagon fans?

The whole concept is dumb to me. But whatever.


Are you saying that they're not? When it comes to the general public? There was a certain little Detroit-based hubbub about Tiger tickets this year... and all it took was the scent of success to waft into fans noses.

Main point's just this: Winners attract attention, that's the way it is.

It's not really a dumb concept, although I don't put a lot of stock into it. It's a natural concept though. Especially in the media.

Edited by Flip-check, 18 July 2007 - 12:55 AM.



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Posted 18 July 2007 - 01:26 AM

QUOTE(betterREDthandead @ July 16, 2007 - 06:31PM) View Post

I like how you take a flip comment by a blogger (NOT a journalist) and turn it into how the American media wants to destroy the NHL.


unfortunately, in many cases, the internet/blogs represent a voice that more than just the blogger share. In the NHL's case, sometimes the random individual's voice is more representative than the "media".

As someone who has spent a lot of his time in California, I can tell you that the media has largely written off and ignored west coast hockey. Heck, even with the Mighy Sucks winning the cup... I've yet to see one person in a Ducks jersey before or after a game...anywhere. And I'm minutes from Orange County.

I also have worked for news stations in San DIego and L.A., and I can tell you that the NHL is non-existent as far as sports casters/news anchors go. The local news here tlaked about the cup being won for about 15 seconds, that was it.


BTW, I thought THIS was America's team...

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 01:28 AM

So why are the Dallas Cowboys considered America's Team? They've been crappy since Troy Aikman retired.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 02:19 AM

QUOTE(North Guy @ July 18, 2007 - 02:28AM) View Post

So why are the Dallas Cowboys considered America's Team? They've been crappy since Troy Aikman retired.

Big market team, and the bandwagoners still believe their good.

I don't know why the Patriots haven't been considered America's team yet. I mean, any new bandwagon fans like to hop to success, and the Patriots have been a very successful team in the NFL. More more so than Dallas, who hasn't won a Superbowl since 1995.

I guess some people are still living in the past. Teams like the Cowboys, Yankees, etc. will always, for some reason, be considered America's team no matter how bad they are.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 03:52 AM

I can certaintly see why the Red Wings are "America's team". Not only for the success they have had the past 20 years, but people know the team, and the players, even if they dont know the sport. Take for instance the area where I live in Alabama. I live in a town where the only thing people care about is FOOTBALL, but for some reason I have seen Detroit Red Wings jerseys everywhere around where I live. It is amazing... from McCarty to Fedorov to Hasek to Yzerman... I have seen them all around where I live at. The only other jerseys I have seen around here are a few Yankee uniforms, Alabama Crimson Tide or Auburn Tiger football jerseys(very big deal in my state), and of course Titan or Cowboy jerseys. But for a very small city like Florence, Alabama to have people walking around in the summer no less, with a Detroit Red Wings jersey on is either out of insanity or just out of PRIDE. I am proud to wear my Yzerman jersey, and I love to hear people try to pronounce his name when I walk by ahhahaha.

Edited by Salviaman, 18 July 2007 - 03:54 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 07:41 AM

QUOTE(Defenseman13 @ July 18, 2007 - 02:26AM) View Post

BTW, I thought THIS was America's team...

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Me too. Before opening the thread that's what I thought it was going to be aboot.
Those guys are the reason why I'm a hockey fan. Truly America's team IMO.
No city team can represent a nation.
Though when I became an NHL fan one reason I picked the Wings b/c they are a Midwestern team.
Regions and states I guess are do-able, but not a nation.
Even if you still want to choose America's team I think road attendance should be be a determining factor.
The Wings were twelfth last season.
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As far as Robert Green and his first comment ... it's just one's man opinion. Show me his research. What's his credentials anyway? Here's another man's opinion ...
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:48 AM

Notre Dame, America's team? Nope. Most overrated? Yup.
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