CenterIce 83 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ....nhl/index.html Sports Illustrated wrote articles on the cheating that goes on in all sports. This is their NHL version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sergei_is_still_a_wing 1 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 no one cares about stick curve. its NOT like a corked bat, where it gives a players an overwhelming advantage. you could give every guy in the nhl a tree branch and they would still score on goalies. plain and simple. it just makes the game more fun to watch. i say do away with the stick curve rule. i'd love to see some bananas for blades out there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob the Badger 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 I'm not so concerned about stick curvature either. What bothers me more are the goalies who use illegal oversized equipment (*cough cough Garth Snow cough cough*) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 (edited) Quite a stretch to go find something "illegal" in the NHL to write about. Now, if you told me some of the refs were betting on games and fixing outcomes -- I might believe that, given some of the nonsense calls I've seen over the years which decided key games, not to mention Stanley Cup outcomes. Edited July 26, 2007 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 I'm not so concerned about stick curvature either. What bothers me more are the goalies who use illegal oversized equipment (*cough cough Garth Snow cough cough*) Garth Snow had legal oversized equipment, because he's 6'3" and 200lb. Most goalies are closer to Ozzie or Vernon in stature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 the stick curve rule is outdated anyway. they could do away with it totally for all I care. let kovalchuk and jagr bend their blades into a U... they won't have any kind of backhand or defense then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozac 10 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 I always use the face-off cheats like everybody in the NHL. Its not really a cheat anyway and if the ref spots it they toss you out. Its like saying getting away with a penalty is cheating. No its not, if you do get away with something its the ref's fault and good for you. Corcked bats and steroids, now THATS cheating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Garth Snow had legal oversized equipment, because he's 6'3" and 200lb. Most goalies are closer to Ozzie or Vernon in stature. and i suppose he needed a catching glove that could catch a bus because he's three inches taller than most goalies huh? When he came out for the 97' finals his goalie glove was the biggest i had ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted July 26, 2007 How is anything cheating if it results in a penalty? Find them doing something that isn't taken care of in the rulebooks (doping, fixing games, etc.), and then you've got a story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Nut 19 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 and i suppose he needed a catching glove that could catch a bus because he's three inches taller than most goalies huh? When he came out for the 97' finals his goalie glove was the biggest i had ever seen. It didn't do him any good did it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 (edited) And here I thought this article was going to be about Pronger's days in Edmonton. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing Edited July 26, 2007 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 no one cares about stick curve. its NOT like a corked bat, where it gives a players an overwhelming advantage. you could give every guy in the nhl a tree branch and they would still score on goalies. plain and simple. it just makes the game more fun to watch. i say do away with the stick curve rule. i'd love to see some bananas for blades out there... Actually, science has shown that a corked bat doesn't give the players an advantage when hitting homeruns, which is the reason they cork their bat. A corked bat might help a player make contact, but it won't help them hit the ball farther. If the biggest problems in the NHL are stick curves and goalie gear, I'd say they're in pretty good shape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 A corked bat makes the bat lighter thus easy to generate more power. Yet it is not hollow so it dowsn't become more fragile. A curved hockey stick is like throwing a curve ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jagr68 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Yeah a curved stick just gives you a advantage in one way, but a disadvantage in another. It's not going to improve your game without a drawback. Sure, Jagr and Kovalchuk may cheat with their sticks, but look at their backhand. They give up a strong backhand for better curve which may give them a harder wrist shot and maybe better stickhandling (for me atleast). But look at a guy like Crosby. Probably the best player in the game. His stick is anything but curved, it's almost straight. It's just about personal preference. He has a decent shot but he has one heck of a backhand pass and shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 A corked bat makes the bat lighter thus easy to generate more power. Yet it is not hollow so it dowsn't become more fragile. That isn't how it works. A corked bat will generate more bat speed. However, because the bat is lighter and there's less mass, the collision between the bat and the ball isn't as powerful, and doesn't generate any real difference in distance. The increase you get in bat speed is canceled out by the reduced mass of the batt. The advantage of a corked bat is since it takes less time to swing it, the batter gets more time to look at the ball and figure out what the pitch is and what it's location is. It helps when you're hitting for contact, but not if you're trying to hit homeruns. Here's a good explanation. http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/corkedbat.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 That isn't how it works. A corked bat will generate more bat speed. However, because the bat is lighter and there's less mass, the collision between the bat and the ball isn't as powerful, and doesn't generate any real difference in distance. The increase you get in bat speed is canceled out by the reduced mass of the batt. The advantage of a corked bat is since it takes less time to swing it, the batter gets more time to look at the ball and figure out what the pitch is and what it's location is. It helps when you're hitting for contact, but not if you're trying to hit homeruns. Here's a good explanation. http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/corkedbat.html For you baseball junkies, here's another pretty good article on the physics of a homerun. As for cheating in sport, the Tour de France just had the race leader withdraw and get fired by his team, and there have been at least three other doping scandals. And this was the year it was supposed to be a "clean" Tour. By comparison, hockey has little to worry about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntsVegas Baby 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2007 The only cheating I know that goes on ni the NHL is when I enter "SAPL TATH CUKP" in the Unlockables on Gretzky 06. Perfect slap shots everytime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Using one-timers on NHL 2001 is practically cheating. You score every time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 I always thought it was only illegal if you get caught!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Cheating happens in all sports at every level... whether or not you get caught and/or written up in a Sport Illustrated article is all by the luck of the draw. Using one-timers on NHL 2001 is practically cheating. You score every time! spot on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 I'm not so concerned about stick curvature either. What bothers me more are the goalies who use illegal oversized equipment (*cough cough Garth Snow cough cough*) Yeah I agree 100 percent. There are some goalies who sill play who oversized pad too IMO. Quite a stretch to go find something "illegal" in the NHL to write about. Now, if you told me some of the refs were betting on games and fixing outcomes -- I might believe that, given some of the nonsense calls I've seen over the years which decided key games, not to mention Stanley Cup outcomes. Yep. I agree with this statement too. Calgary totally got hosed in '04. Interesting that the last three Cup winners have been "sun-belt" teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 27, 2007 SCANDALOUS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle ovipositor 6 Report post Posted July 30, 2007 So are they saying Pronger isn't on steroids, then? Really? I would be amazed if there aren't some illegal drugs and blood doping going on. I've never heard anything about testing in the NHL, and hockey players have as much to gain from EPO as cyclists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted July 30, 2007 I do know there is some form of testing in the NHL, if I remember correctly one guy got suspended for doping for a while last season. I also agree about the sun belt cups...really wierd isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted July 30, 2007 The goalie pad-size thing is a bit odd but I'm not sure how/if they want to deal with it. The curvature of the stick-rule is just old and needs to be rewritten. Nobody cares anyway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites