Let's win it for him

[irishtemper14+25 11]

lets win it for the fans

[eva unit zero 271]

OK, you got me. I did put EVER in there. Sorry, yes Yzerman scored alot on losing teams back in the 80s.

Yzerman in 88-89 did something only Gretzky and Lemieux have ever done. He scored over 150 points when his highest scoring teammate was below 100. But that's not all; Yzerman is the only player to ever score more than 130 points and receive at least one first place Selke vote. This was ALSO done in 1988-89. One of the greatest offensive performances ever, by a guy who was also considered one of the best defensive forwards at the time? This is why I have called Yzerman's 88-89 season possibly the best single-season performance ever.

[Flip-check 6]

Ugh.

I don't expect ol' Feds to wind up on our doorstep, but...

It will be hilarious if he does. Like destiny homing in just to please/disgust all the Offsides/Kp-Wings of the world.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I don't expect ol' Feds to wind up on our doorstep, but...

It will be hilarious if he does. Like destiny homing in just to please/disgust all the Offsides/Kp-Wings of the world.

Hah, yeah right.

I don't believe in that statement "We should win it for Feds", because what exactly has Fedorov done to show he deserves to win again? The Red Wings organization never did him any injustice, much like to what people around here like to believe.

I see no difference between signing a 4-year contract and a 5-year contract, so I think it's ridiculous when people say the Wings not offering him 5 years was a major ***** slap to the face or something, and they never wanted him in a Red Wings uniform again. What's wrong 4 years? That's plenty damn long enough to sign.

...and yeah, call it greedy or whatever, but I don't believe in the prospect of leaving a team you've spent your entire career with for "greener pastures" or "bettering ones career" as some like to call it. Anaheim was definitly not greener pastures, as they missed the playoffs the only year he was there. He had it pretty good here, so what incentive did he have to leave? Oh, that's right, the magic 5-year contract I keep hearing about.

I could understand if he wanted to leave because the Wings were in the midst of falling apart, but they really weren't. Unless he was under that impression after the 2003 playoffs, which he's a sorry ass loser if he was, I don't think that was his line of thinking, since the Wings managed to retain most of their players, and were beginning to see how good Zetterberg exactly was.

...but, I don't want to turn this into another Fedorov thread, so I'll stop now...

Edited August 11, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[eva unit zero 271]

Hah, yeah right.

I don't believe in that statement "We should win it for Feds", because what exactly has Fedorov done to show he deserves to win again? The Red Wings organization never did him any injustice, much like to what people around here like to believe.

I see no difference between signing a 4-year contract and a 5-year contract, so I think it's ridiculous when people say the Wings not offering him 5 years was a major ***** slap to the face or something, and they never wanted him in a Red Wings uniform again. What's wrong 4 years? That's plenty damn long enough to sign.

...and yeah, call it greedy or whatever, but I don't believe in the prospect of leaving a team you've spent your entire career with for "greener pastures" or "bettering ones career" as some like to call it. Anaheim was definitly not greener pastures, as they missed the playoffs the only year he was there. He had it pretty good here, so what incentive did he have to leave? Oh, that's right, the magic 5-year contract I keep hearing about.

I could understand if he wanted to leave because the Wings were in the midst of falling apart, but they really weren't. Unless he was under that impression after the 2003 playoffs, which he's a sorry ass loser if he was, I don't think that was his line of thinking, since the Wings managed to retain most of their players, and were beginning to see how good Zetterberg exactly was.

...but, I don't want to turn this into another Fedorov thread, so I'll stop now...

It's not that the Wings refused to offer five years. It's that they offered it, Fedorov said 'I'm going through some personal issues, gimme some time to respond, and tey then dropped the fifth year. THAT was the slap in the face. Not the removal of the year in and of itself, but the timing and the refusal to put it back on the deal when it became obvious it was a deal-breaker. The fact that Fedorov too thesame amount of money as Holland offered (40m) over a longer term shows how important that fifth year was.

[Yzerman#19 17]

I say, "Let's Win it for Hasek". This is most likely his last season. And besides Nick, Dom was our best player last season. Sure he already has his name on the Cup once. But a guy like Dominik certainly deserves one more and to go out on top. So let's win one more for the Dominator.

[vangvace 12]

It's not that the Wings refused to offer five years. It's that they offered it, Fedorov said 'I'm going through some personal issues, gimme some time to respond, and tey then dropped the fifth year. THAT was the slap in the face. Not the removal of the year in and of itself, but the timing and the refusal to put it back on the deal when it became obvious it was a deal-breaker. The fact that Fedorov too thesame amount of money as Holland offered (40m) over a longer term shows how important that fifth year was.

And his signing the offersheet with Carolina was also a slap in the face to the Wings...

Let's win it...

...to piss off fight fans everywhere.

...to help guys sleep at night by proving "size doesn't matter"

...to make the Joe should less like Michigan Stadium and more like Spartan Stadium.

...push ticket prices higher.

...for those watching at home.

...to see if T.O. will implode.

...because Detroit's almost Canada and it has to be Canada vs. small market in the finals.

...to play the which Wings will retire game.

...because the Detroit Red Wings is the greatest sports franchise of all time.

[Chase 0]

...because the Detroit Red Wings is the greatest sports franchise of all time.

Amen to that!

[Flip-check 6]

...for those watching at home.

...to see if T.O. will implode.

...because Detroit's almost Canada and it has to be Canada vs. small market in the finals.

...to play the which Wings will retire game.

In no certain order:

-Sammy

-Hank

-Jason Williams (The guy still can't believe he has to play for the Hawks)

-Dom (he'll retire for a year, then come back for a Cup)

-Lidstrom (he'll "go home to Sweden" *winkwink*, then come back for a Cup)

-Maltby (HTYES! ...but somebody will say Drapes misses him and he'll come back for some gatorade)

This will leave us with a core of promising stars, including: Grigorenko (who will be a top 2 forward by his 13th game and have a 99 Potential rating in NHL '08), Kronwall (who will be a top 1 bench warmer by his 6th game after taking a bad hit behind the net), Jiri "HURTCHA BAD" Hudler (who will get into 10 gazillion fights and knock out Kevin Bieksa, Travis Moen, and Jim Vandermeer with headbutts), and oh yeah Datsyuk.

Wings go on to repeat SCF wins for thirteen seasons then rename themselves the Montreal Canadiens per Ilitch's decision.

[OsGOD 3]

And his signing the offersheet with Carolina was also a slap in the face to the Wings...

Sorry can't blame the player for that one... that is more Owner Vs. Owner there... the player is a pawn in that one. See, Penner and Vanek this season.

[vangvace 12]

Sorry can't blame the player for that one... that is more Owner Vs. Owner there... the player is a pawn in that one. See, Penner and Vanek this season.

The player is the pawn for taking the "better" deal? On a side thought couldn't every FA deal be considered Owner/GM vs. Owner/GM since they're competing for same players?

[eva unit zero 271]

And his signing the offersheet with Carolina was also a slap in the face to the Wings...

Yeah, it was a real slap in the face to sign a long term deal for below market value. Yep, huge slap in the face. Fedorov should have done it up like Sakic and gone for 3 years, so he could have made 9 million in 2001. Feds was the best player in the league at the time he signed that offer shet, and even with all the bonuses kicking in his average salary over the deal was below 7 million. Given that the top paid players at the time the deal was signed was Joe Sakic, who had just signed a similar three year deal worth 21m, the yearly number is not out of whack for that season, and that season alone, as Fedorov quickly dropped--three players made 8.5m the next year; Jagr and Kariya broke through the 10m barrier the year after. By the time Fedorov's deal ended, he wasn't even in the top 25 highest paid players based on the average value of the deal. He was outside the top 15 by the fourth year. He was also fourth among Red Wings players at that point, his 6.333 sitting just behind Brendan Shanahan's 6.5m. Shanahan was NEVER more important than Fedorov to the Wings until after Fedorov left.

[OsGOD 3]

The player is the pawn for taking the "better" deal? On a side thought couldn't every FA deal be considered Owner/GM vs. Owner/GM since they're competing for same players?

No because they are Free Agents, they are free to go anywhere for anything... Feds was a Restricted Free agent... meaning only an offer from another owner could take him away... he couldn't sign anywhere he wanted. Lowe is king at that this year. Karmonos and illitch don't like eachother much

Edited August 13, 2007 by OsGOD

[eva unit zero 271]

No because they are Free Agents... Feds was a Restricted Free agent... meaning only an offer from another owner could take him away... he couldn't sign anywhere he wanted.

That is a hugely incorrect interpretation of RFA.

The only differences between RFA and UFA are as follows:

With RFA, the team holding the rights has a right to match any offer made that the player agrees to. Should the team choose not to match, they receive compensation for the player based on the contract amount.

The player still has every right to shop his service the way a UFA does. The difference is that if you sign an RFA for cheap, his team will match, and if you overpay, you give up a large number of picks. That is why you don't see RFAs moving teams but once in a blue moon. Who is the last guy before Penner? I think it was Shanahan, going from New Jersey to the Blues. Ultimately, it's usually easier to find a guy for the same price who won't cost you a boatload of picks. Lowe obviously had issues getting players to Edmonton this summer, including the whole Nylander fiasco, and he was in a situation where he would have just kept Smyth had he known the cap was going to look like this. So he went out and picked up a young guy he felt could be another Ryan Smyth, a big, gritty winger who can score, and did it for less than Smyth wanted and gave up less than he got for Smyth. If it works out, Lowe looks like a genius.

[vangvace 12]

Yeah, it was a real slap in the face to sign a long term deal for below market value. Yep, huge slap in the face. Fedorov should have done it up like Sakic and gone for 3 years, so he could have made 9 million in 2001. Feds was the best player in the league at the time he signed that offer shet, and even with all the bonuses kicking in his average salary over the deal was below 7 million. Given that the top paid players at the time the deal was signed was Joe Sakic, who had just signed a similar three year deal worth 21m, the yearly number is not out of whack for that season, and that season alone, as Fedorov quickly dropped--three players made 8.5m the next year; Jagr and Kariya broke through the 10m barrier the year after. By the time Fedorov's deal ended, he wasn't even in the top 25 highest paid players based on the average value of the deal. He was outside the top 15 by the fourth year. He was also fourth among Red Wings players at that point, his 6.333 sitting just behind Brendan Shanahan's 6.5m. Shanahan was NEVER more important than Fedorov to the Wings until after Fedorov left.

So... because he signed an offersheet that didn't make him the highest paid player in the league it wasn't a slap to the Wings?

[eva unit zero 271]

So... because he signed an offersheet that didn't make him the highest paid player in the league it wasn't a slap to the Wings?

Given that Fedorov was a better player than Sakic at the time, and his deal was based on Sakic's but was longer for less per year? Beyond that, there's the fact that even had the offer sheet been for 10m, it wouldn't have been a slap in the face. Well, not from Fedorov. And I remind you...The Wings won two Cups on that six-year contract for which Fedorov was one of the three best players each time. The Wings likely win neither of those Cups if they lose Fedorov, and Fedorov would have improved the Hurricanes enough that the picks coming back would not have yielded anyone who would have made an immediate enough impact to change that.

[OsGOD 3]

That is a hugely incorrect interpretation of RFA.

The only differences between RFA and UFA are as follows:

With RFA, the team holding the rights has a right to match any offer made that the player agrees to. Should the team choose not to match, they receive compensation for the player based on the contract amount.

The player still has every right to shop his service the way a UFA does. The difference is that if you sign an RFA for cheap, his team will match, and if you overpay, you give up a large number of picks. That is why you don't see RFAs moving teams but once in a blue moon. Who is the last guy before Penner? I think it was Shanahan, going from New Jersey to the Blues. Ultimately, it's usually easier to find a guy for the same price who won't cost you a boatload of picks. Lowe obviously had issues getting players to Edmonton this summer, including the whole Nylander fiasco, and he was in a situation where he would have just kept Smyth had he known the cap was going to look like this. So he went out and picked up a young guy he felt could be another Ryan Smyth, a big, gritty winger who can score, and did it for less than Smyth wanted and gave up less than he got for Smyth. If it works out, Lowe looks like a genius.

Ah yes you were right... I was leaving off the whole the player could shop around... 'cause in Feds case... Karmonos came to him to steal him from is hated rival Illitch. So the shopping around part didn't come into play with Fedorov at all. He was entirely wanting to deal exclusiveely with the wings at that point.

[BigTex 1]

Yzerman in 88-89 did something only Gretzky and Lemieux have ever done. He scored over 150 points when his highest scoring teammate was below 100. But that's not all; Yzerman is the only player to ever score more than 130 points and receive at least one first place Selke vote. This was ALSO done in 1988-89. One of the greatest offensive performances ever, by a guy who was also considered one of the best defensive forwards at the time? This is why I have called Yzerman's 88-89 season possibly the best single-season performance ever.

Very convincing arguement and quite a remarkable season from Yzerman. Thanks for the history lesson, I know more now than when I started posting on this thread.

[OsGOD 3]

Given that Fedorov was a better player than Sakic at the time, and his deal was based on Sakic's but was longer for less per year? Beyond that, there's the fact that even had the offer sheet been for 10m, it wouldn't have been a slap in the face. Well, not from Fedorov. And I remind you...The Wings won two Cups on that six-year contract for which Fedorov was one of the three best players each time. The Wings likely win neither of those Cups if they lose Fedorov, and Fedorov would have improved the Hurricanes enough that the picks coming back would not have yielded anyone who would have made an immediate enough impact to change that.

Can't be any clearer than that... No Sergei No Cup... we need to break the curse and get is Ass back here! I really don't want to wait until he retires to win another cup (assuming that is what it would take to break his curse)

[vangvace 12]

Given that Fedorov was a better player than Sakic at the time, and his deal was based on Sakic's but was longer for less per year? Beyond that, there's the fact that even had the offer sheet been for 10m, it wouldn't have been a slap in the face. Well, not from Fedorov. And I remind you...The Wings won two Cups on that six-year contract for which Fedorov was one of the three best players each time. The Wings likely win neither of those Cups if they lose Fedorov, and Fedorov would have improved the Hurricanes enough that the picks coming back would not have yielded anyone who would have made an immediate enough impact to change that.

So... because Detroit won two cups with Fedorov it wasn't a slap at the Wings for signing an offersheet? Let alone an offersheet from a team who's owner IIlitch doesn't like?

Seems to me that's exactly who I'd go for...

[Kp-Wings 3]

Can't be any clearer than that... No Sergei No Cup... we need to break the curse and get is Ass back here! I really don't want to wait until he retires to win another cup (assuming that is what it would take to break his curse)

This is the kind of crap that makes me so mad. How is this a damn curse? He left on his own terms. The Wings didn't trade or. Or shove him off without offering a contract, so how is it a curse?

Oh, but it's because he didn't get his 5-year contract! That's what I keep hearing. Yes, there is such a big difference between a 4-year and a 5-year contract. Wow, management sure f***ed up there!

Why couldn't he have signed a 4-year contract? What is wrong with that? He would have been under contract until this summer still. I don't understand why everyone sides with Fedorov when he sits and says "It's either 5 years or nothing". It's just like with Bertuzzi. It's managments fault because they didn't give him 2 years?

I swear, some NHL players are like pre-school babies. They are completely un-willing to negotiate anything, like Fedorov was. And it's so stupid to see people take his side, and then say the Wings are under a curse because he isn't here anymore. Well, that logic seems pretty flawed, since considering he left on his own, doesn't that kinda mean he didn't want to play here anymore?

I can't wait until the day Fedorov retires, so this stupid talk would stop.

Edited August 13, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I swear, some NHL players are like pre-school babies. They are completely un-willing to negotiate anything, like Fedorov was. And it's so stupid to see people take his side, and then say the Wings are under a curse because he isn't here anymore. Well, that logic seems pretty flawed, since considering he left on his own, doesn't that kinda mean he didn't want to play here anymore?

Well, the Wings haven't won a cup since Jamie Rivers left the team either, so you know without a doubt the team is cursed to high hell!

/sarcasm

[Donaldjr2448 43]

LETS DO IT FOR BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!