Meech's deal is for three years

[wingsfan40 0]

Yes I totally understand and agree with you. I guess the main thing I am trying to get at is the difference in how Meech and Norton are looked at around here. Thats all, I mean Meech is going to be at best average, maybe end up better then Norton however last year Norton got killed by forum members when Meech went unscathed.

Meech is our boy.....Norton was brought in to address a toughness problem

Thats how they are different and thats probably why the rest of the LGW crew took it easy on Meech.

[sticknmove 0]

I guess, I mean Norton did fine fighting. The european sect of this forum allways rants and raves about how bad of a fighter he was 1-1 with 2 draws. One of those draws was against Roy whom in my opinion he won, but listed as a draw. He also was fighting legitimate HW's, some of the toughest HW's in the NHL. Ivanis, Peters, Roy, and Shane O'Brien. 3 of those 4 were in the top ten on the year in FM's. so i think he did quite fine addressing our toughness, he was .500 against the leagues best, while the year prior these guys would have eaten anyone in our lineup. No one was running our guys, or taking liberties. And some idiots claim that he didnt stick up for teamates, and that goes to show their hockey ignorance. His 1st shift he would pick their toughest guy and fight him, thus setting a tone. but whatever, f*ck Norton, what a pile. BUT MEECH BABY!!!!!!!!! that is our future, thank ya jesus. Why should we sign anyone else, i mean we are set , Meech MIGHT (i mean he's young so lets give him time) develop over time, and that for me IS ENOUGH to coddle him the entire way to superstardom

[norrisnick 1]

Bahaha this is good. Meech is terrible, Brad Norton was as good as Meech skill wise and he fought yet 90% of the ppl on this forum BASHED Norton relentlessly, yet praise Meech, compare him to Lebda, etc. I am not syaing we should have neccessarily kept Norton or even brought him up from GR after he was sent down, I am saying that this Meech signing shows how bad the anti fighting attitude is here in Detroit. Argue if you want that they are both worthless and I may agree with you, however to see the red carpet rolled out for this waste (Meech) while another player who was just as much of a waste according to many here (yet unarguably had a dimension to his game Meech did not) Brad Norton was despised.

Derek Meech: 2006-07 Totals 4 Games Played 0 Points +1 4 PIM

Brad Norton: 2006-2007 Totals 6 Games Played 1 Point +2 20 PIM

*AS you can clearly see they are nearly identical in stats, do not try to argue PIM either it is a non point. Not a single PIM of Brad Nortons resulted in the Red Wings being a man down, he took someone with him every time. ONE MORE time though, I want to reiterate that I am not saying Norton was better then Meech, I am saying that at least they were equal in what they could bring. I AM however pointing out the difference each one of them as a player was treated by so many of you.

Wow... I've tried for a while now to pinpoint all the horribly wrong things of this post, but I've given up. So I'll just say this.

No. Just... no.

I guess, I mean Norton did fine fighting. The european sect of this forum allways rants and raves about how bad of a fighter he was 1-1 with 2 draws. One of those draws was against Roy whom in my opinion he won, but listed as a draw. He also was fighting legitimate HW's, some of the toughest HW's in the NHL. Ivanis, Peters, Roy, and Shane O'Brien. 3 of those 4 were in the top ten on the year in FM's. so i think he did quite fine addressing our toughness, he was .500 against the leagues best, while the year prior these guys would have eaten anyone in our lineup. No one was running our guys, or taking liberties. And some idiots claim that he didnt stick up for teamates, and that goes to show their hockey ignorance. His 1st shift he would pick their toughest guy and fight him, thus setting a tone. but whatever, f*ck Norton, what a pile. BUT MEECH BABY!!!!!!!!! that is our future, thank ya jesus. Why should we sign anyone else, i mean we are set , Meech MIGHT (i mean he's young so lets give him time) develop over time, and that for me IS ENOUGH to coddle him the entire way to superstardom

Only part of the post I agree with.

What fight did he stay on his skates long enough to win? Or was it one of those cases where he fell on the other guy and the hockeyfights.com noobs gave him the win for it? And getting into a meaningless fight during your first shift, and not showing particularly well, sets no tone whatsoever. Plus didn't his loss to Peters lead to a goal against on the very next shift? Or am I thinking of a different game? Great timing, Champ!!

Either way, Meech is a prospect that was re-signed. Norton is an AHL 4thliner/3rd pairing guy that lost his job to noted pugilist Jiri Hudler. I don't quite understand how Norton got dragged into this discussion.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Bahaha this is good. Meech is terrible, Brad Norton was as good as Meech skill wise and he fought yet 90% of the ppl on this forum BASHED Norton relentlessly, yet praise Meech, compare him to Lebda, etc. I am not syaing we should have neccessarily kept Norton or even brought him up from GR after he was sent down, I am saying that this Meech signing shows how bad the anti fighting attitude is here in Detroit. Argue if you want that they are both worthless and I may agree with you, however to see the red carpet rolled out for this waste (Meech) while another player who was just as much of a waste according to many here (yet unarguably had a dimension to his game Meech did not) Brad Norton was despised.

Derek Meech: 2006-07 Totals 4 Games Played 0 Points +1 4 PIM

Brad Norton: 2006-2007 Totals 6 Games Played 1 Point +2 20 PIM

*AS you can clearly see they are nearly identical in stats, do not try to argue PIM either it is a non point. Not a single PIM of Brad Nortons resulted in the Red Wings being a man down, he took someone with him every time. ONE MORE time though, I want to reiterate that I am not saying Norton was better then Meech, I am saying that at least they were equal in what they could bring. I AM however pointing out the difference each one of them as a player was treated by so many of you.

What does Brad Norton and fighting have anything to do with the Wings re-siging Derek Meech?

I guess, I mean Norton did fine fighting. The european sect of this forum allways rants and raves about how bad of a fighter he was 1-1 with 2 draws. One of those draws was against Roy whom in my opinion he won, but listed as a draw. He also was fighting legitimate HW's, some of the toughest HW's in the NHL. Ivanis, Peters, Roy, and Shane O'Brien. 3 of those 4 were in the top ten on the year in FM's. so i think he did quite fine addressing our toughness, he was .500 against the leagues best, while the year prior these guys would have eaten anyone in our lineup. No one was running our guys, or taking liberties. And some idiots claim that he didnt stick up for teamates, and that goes to show their hockey ignorance. His 1st shift he would pick their toughest guy and fight him, thus setting a tone. but whatever, f*ck Norton, what a pile. BUT MEECH BABY!!!!!!!!! that is our future, thank ya jesus. Why should we sign anyone else, i mean we are set , Meech MIGHT (i mean he's young so lets give him time) develop over time, and that for me IS ENOUGH to coddle him the entire way to superstardom

Nobody thinks Meech is the main cog and the person of absolute importance to the Wings future, no need to be so dramatic because he might not do the things you like as much.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Its contracts like these that go completely under the radar, yet are the ones that allow teams to be competitive in the salary cap era. Meech and Lebda could be a potential bottom pairing in 08/09 and itll only cost the Wings around 1.2 million to have them.

As for the whole issue about next year, why are people ready to throw out Chelios before Lilja? If Lidstrom re-signs next year, then we have Lids, Rafalski, Kronwall, Lebda and Meech. IF we re-sign Chelios, itll probably look like this:

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Meech

Lebda-Chelios

Quincey

Although, ideally, Quincey replaces Cheli, and Ericsson is our 7th Dman if he cant clear waivers. I like Kindl, but I wouldnt want him here in a 7th man role. Either way, our D will be pretty sick and deep for a few more years.

[Kp-Wings 3]

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they traded Lebda when Kindl is ready. Because, to be quite honest, I see no need for Lebda to be in the lineup. He isn't an offensive defenseman nor a defensive defenseman. All he can do is skate, which is not that impressive considering the package Kindl and Quincey both bring.

I don't think Chelios should be pushed out like some suggest. He was great in the playoffs last year, and is still an excellent defensive defenseman for his age. I'd keep him around for as long as he wants.

[sticknmove 0]

"Wow... I've tried for a while now to pinpoint all the horribly wrong things of this post, but I've given up. So I'll just say this."

Are you slow? here:

The post was made to illustrate to anti fighting sentiment of many here on the forum. Not that Norton was good or should of been re-signed, and not that Meech shoudnt have been re-signed. But that looking at 2 guys that didnt do sh*t really for the Wings, one got bashed like hell, and one didnt, actually instead draws praise. Thats all. Another thing I find rather funny is you calling anyone at any hockey website a noob, haha isnt that a little of the pot calling the kettle black? And maybe is Babcock matched Norton with Peters all night that goal would not have happened but we will never know, but Peters scoring even strength after the FM's were served reflects nothing on Norton, but maybe i am also a noob. That would like me saying Norton should get praise for the wings scoring when him and Roy were in the box serving time for their scrap in Pitt. But I wouldnt say that would I. You end your post with you dont understand how Norton got dragged into this, well I think it is apparent that is not the only thing you dont understand.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

"Wow... I've tried for a while now to pinpoint all the horribly wrong things of this post, but I've given up. So I'll just say this."

Are you slow? here:

The post was made to illustrate to anti fighting sentiment of many here on the forum. Not that Norton was good or should of been re-signed, and not that Meech shoudnt have been re-signed. But that looking at 2 guys that didnt do sh*t really for the Wings, one got bashed like hell, and one didnt, actually instead draws praise. Thats all. Another thing I find rather funny is you calling anyone at any hockey website a noob, haha isnt that a little of the pot calling the kettle black? And maybe is Babcock matched Norton with Peters all night that goal would not have happened but we will never know, but Peters scoring even strength after the FM's were served reflects nothing on Norton, but maybe i am also a noob. That would like me saying Norton should get praise for the wings scoring when him and Roy were in the box serving time for their scrap in Pitt. But I wouldnt say that would I. You end your post with you dont understand how Norton got dragged into this, well I think it is apparent that is not the only thing you dont understand.

There was no logical reason to bring up Norton and fighting in this thread in the first place. Norton has nothing to do with the Wings re-signing Meech. Trying to bring up Norton in here makes absolutely no sense, even to people in here that like fighting more than others, in all likelihood.

[sticknmove 0]

I BROUGHT IT UP TO SHOW THAT ALOT OF PPL ARE ANTI-FIGHTING HERE THAT IS ALL. wtf more do i need to say for you to understand it. I KNOW NORTON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MEECH's resigning, i never claimed he did, i KNOW he didnt. i swear to god you process things about as fast as a bronze medal special olympian

[norrisnick 1]

"Wow... I've tried for a while now to pinpoint all the horribly wrong things of this post, but I've given up. So I'll just say this."

Are you slow? here:

The post was made to illustrate to anti fighting sentiment of many here on the forum. Not that Norton was good or should of been re-signed, and not that Meech shoudnt have been re-signed. But that looking at 2 guys that didnt do sh*t really for the Wings, one got bashed like hell, and one didnt, actually instead draws praise. Thats all. Another thing I find rather funny is you calling anyone at any hockey website a noob, haha isnt that a little of the pot calling the kettle black? And maybe is Babcock matched Norton with Peters all night that goal would not have happened but we will never know, but Peters scoring even strength after the FM's were served reflects nothing on Norton, but maybe i am also a noob. That would like me saying Norton should get praise for the wings scoring when him and Roy were in the box serving time for their scrap in Pitt. But I wouldnt say that would I. You end your post with you dont understand how Norton got dragged into this, well I think it is apparent that is not the only thing you dont understand.

I'm not slow. You just don't have a clue about whatever it is you're babbling on about. Just because you don't realize there are more levels to the Red Wings' organization than just the Red Wings themselves doesn't mean no one else does. One player made great strides in the top development league below the NHL. The other took strides in and out of the penalty box.

That's like comparing me to Igor Grigorenko on the basis that neither of us have played a minute for the Wings. Obviously we're the same, right? We'll have a similar impact on the Wings this coming season, yes?

You made a stupid comparison and got called out for it. Deal with it.

I BROUGHT IT UP TO SHOW THAT ALOT OF PPL ARE ANTI-FIGHTING HERE THAT IS ALL. wtf more do i need to say for you to understand it. I KNOW NORTON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MEECH's resigning, i never claimed he did, i KNOW he didnt. i swear to god you process things about as fast as a bronze medal special olympian

People here aren't anti-fighting. They're simply pro-hockey playing.

[Kp-Wings 3]

There was no logical reason to bring up Norton and fighting in this thread in the first place. Norton has nothing to do with the Wings re-signing Meech. Trying to bring up Norton in here makes absolutely no sense, even to people in here that like fighting more than others, in all likelihood.

QFT

You all know I like fighting and am in no way anti-fighting, but I do not like Brad Norton. That was embarrasing watching him fight. Especially against Andrew Peters when we played Buffalo. Wow.

I wish we did have a fighter, but it has to be one who can actually win fights. Norton can't.

Edited August 22, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[sticknmove 0]

I was illustrating that there are many here that will be anti fighting. Thats all, praise jesus for Meech and the new contract and ya you are right it was like comparing Grigorenko and you, it was exactly the same actually. And I obviously love Norton you can tell by all the praise I gave him:

"am not syaing we should have neccessarily kept Norton or even brought him up from GR after he was sent down"

"while another player who was just as much of a waste"

"ONE MORE time though, I want to reiterate that I am not saying Norton was better then Meech"

"Not that Norton was good or should of been re-signed, and not that Meech shoudnt have been re-signed. But that looking at 2 guys that didnt do sh*t really for the Wings"

"I KNOW NORTON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MEECH's resigning, i never claimed he did, i KNOW he didnt"

So yes I obviously loved Norton, and am blaming him with Meech, even going as far as drawing paralells. Thank you for showing me the light brother.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I was illustrating that there are many here that will be anti fighting. Thats all, praise jesus for Meech and the new contract and ya you are right it was like comparing Grigorenko and you, it was exactly the same actually. And I obviously love Norton you can tell by all the praise I gave him:

"am not syaing we should have neccessarily kept Norton or even brought him up from GR after he was sent down"

"while another player who was just as much of a waste"

"ONE MORE time though, I want to reiterate that I am not saying Norton was better then Meech"

"Not that Norton was good or should of been re-signed, and not that Meech shoudnt have been re-signed. But that looking at 2 guys that didnt do sh*t really for the Wings"

"I KNOW NORTON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MEECH's resigning, i never claimed he did, i KNOW he didnt"

So yes I obviously loved Norton, and am blaming him with Meech, even going as far as drawing paralells. Thank you for showing me the light brother.

The difference between the two is...

Meech has barely had any chances to "do s**t" or "do less s**t" in the NHL since he's only gplayed 4 games so far.

Norton has had plenty of chances to "do s**t" in the NHL, and has accomplished it with flying colors since he's PLAYED MORE THAN 4 GAMES.

The two aren't logically comparable. Thanks for playing.

[eva unit zero 271]

Its contracts like these that go completely under the radar, yet are the ones that allow teams to be competitive in the salary cap era. Meech and Lebda could be a potential bottom pairing in 08/09 and itll only cost the Wings around 1.2 million to have them.

As for the whole issue about next year, why are people ready to throw out Chelios before Lilja? If Lidstrom re-signs next year, then we have Lids, Rafalski, Kronwall, Lebda and Meech. IF we re-sign Chelios, itll probably look like this:

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Meech

Lebda-Chelios

Quincey

Although, ideally, Quincey replaces Cheli, and Ericsson is our 7th Dman if he cant clear waivers. I like Kindl, but I wouldnt want him here in a 7th man role. Either way, our D will be pretty sick and deep for a few more years.

Quincey would be in the top four before Meech. Quincey is going to be in Grand Rapids this year because Meech can't clear waivers, not because Meech is better.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Quincey would be in the top four before Meech. Quincey is going to be in Grand Rapids this year because Meech can't clear waivers, not because Meech is better.

So, what? You think next year has no bearing on what happens in 08/09? Meech will be the one with the games under his belt as the 7th guy (at least Chelios and Kronwall will get injuries at some point), and its very likely over the course of the year that he turns out to be steadier than Quincey once hes been on the regular roster for a year.

[eva unit zero 271]

So, what? You think next year has no bearing on what happens in 08/09? Meech will be the one with the games under his belt as the 7th guy (at least Chelios and Kronwall will get injuries at some point), and its very likely over the course of the year that he turns out to be steadier than Quincey once hes been on the regular roster for a year.

I don't think Meech being the 7th this year would put him in the 4th spot over Quincey, given how well Quincey played in the 06 playoffs. If that was how it worked, Lebda should be in your top four. And Lebda should never be in a top four...

As far as 08-09? I expect to see Lilja gone as he doesn't really bring much (if anything' more than Meech and Quincey, costs more, and is several years older. At this point I expect to see one of Kindl or Quincey in the top four in 08-09.

[vangvace 12]

There was no logical reason to bring up Norton and fighting in this thread in the first place. Norton has nothing to do with the Wings re-signing Meech. Trying to bring up Norton in here makes absolutely no sense, even to people in here that like fighting more than others, in all likelihood.

Sure there was... thread hijacking and trolling.

as for chelios leaving. The org has said that they will offer him a 1 year contract till he calls it quits, which with his workout routine it'll either be after four more playoff games or two more seasons.

The '08-09 defense might look like this:

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Quincey

Meech-Kindl

Lebda

With Ericsson finishing in GR.

Realistically I don't know enough about Quincey, Meech, Kindl, and Ericsson so swap names as necessary. As for Lebda not being in a pairing. I don't think that he will still be with Detroit by that point.