Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Make him practice and doing everything with Drapes. If he's really slow and out of shape, who better than Draper model off of. I don't know many players who are more determined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Well MacLeod sure changed his tune pretty fast. He had nothing but nice things to say about Griggs after the game against Tampa. So what's the story Mac? How does he go from "best offensive forward in the game"... "slowed the game down" to "above average" and "needs to do more to make this team"? By "slowed the game down" I think he means that in the Nick Lidstrom sense. That is, Grigorenko wasn't actually detracting from the pace of the game, he was figuratively "slowing the game down" in his mind so that he was reacting quicker than everyone else and seeing things they weren't. I'm just curious....how does anyone who's not on the ice claim someone is out of shape? Unless he was in the corner gasping for breath or some obvious sign, I guess I don't know how a spectator/media makes that determination. I played a good deal of hockey in my life and the only way I knew if someone was "out of shape" was sitting on the bench or in the locker room. Gasping for breath coming off of shifts when everyone else isn't......getting beat to pucks in the third that he'd have gotten to in the first....getting knocked over easier and being slower to get up than earlier in the game.....there are lots of signs. No, you wouldn't see them if you were only watching the game, but someone who's there watching a particular player, as I'm sure people were doing with Igor, they'd notice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Exactly what I've been expecting all along.... And some people here were ready to award this guy the Calder trophy already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Exactly what I've been expecting all along.... And some people here were ready to award this guy the Calder trophy already. Don't knock preseason fan enthusiasm- it's the only thing that sells blackhawks season tickets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Don't knock preseason fan enthusiasm- it's the only thing that sells blackhawks season tickets. That's funny because it is true!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Grigs = Calder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Kyle or trophy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 or, he had an offnight the guy was the best player in the first two games, i recall 3 assists in the last game but yes i know, we love to bash the Russians (and europeans in general), nothing new in Wings world I dont think this is bashing the guy... he is just a bit heavy, and should have come to camp in better shape. His nationality has nothing to do with that. Rick Nash has the same problem every year. So did the Canadians during the 72 Summit Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aris 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 By "slowed the game down" I think he means that in the Nick Lidstrom sense. That is, Grigorenko wasn't actually detracting from the pace of the game, he was figuratively "slowing the game down" in his mind so that he was reacting quicker than everyone else and seeing things they weren't. I agree, that's what I meant to suggest by putting next to the best forward in the game comment and juxtaposing it against the negatives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CdnWingsFanEh 2 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Kyle or trophy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 But doesn't the same apply for Ryno? I suppose. But Ryno is younger and his style of play should develop better and faster in NA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jaytan Report post Posted September 11, 2007 The Cup, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Kyle or trophy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 I'm not particularly one for critiquing players in games I haven't seen, nor am I one to make excuses for a player who may be performing below their apparent ability. The bottom line is he has a chance to make the team when training camp starts. If he brings it there and is as good as everyone says, he'll be on the team no problem. If he is out of shape or whatever else the problem might be, then he doesn't deserve to play for the wings, cuz he'll just be slowing the rest of the team down. In any event, we'll see how good he really is in 3 weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 I'm not particularly one for critiquing players in games I haven't seen, nor am I one to make excuses for a player who may be performing below their apparent ability. The bottom line is he has a chance to make the team when training camp starts. If he brings it there and is as good as everyone says, he'll be on the team no problem. If he is out of shape or whatever else the problem might be, then he doesn't deserve to play for the wings, cuz he'll just be slowing the rest of the team down. In any event, we'll see how good he really is in 3 weeks. It's nice to have people who express your opinions more eloquently for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zata fan 40 6 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 Anyone see anything on the last game of the tournament today? Started at 230 I believe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Yzer19 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) Anyone see anything on the last game of the tournament today? Started at 230 I believe? Yes, they lost 5-3. http://blues.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=33...mp;service=page Edited September 11, 2007 by Yzer19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted September 11, 2007 This was really Evan Mcgraths coming out party. The Kid was our best player of the tourney no doubt about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 This was really Evan Mcgraths coming out party. The Kid was our best player of the tourney no doubt about it. Still not reading much into it though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 so i guess we are doomed. our prospects dropped the majority of the games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) honestly, most people held their expectations way too high for this kid. Earlier in the summer, I remember seeing countless posts of probable lines with Grigs being on the second line. You gotta be kidding me. This kid will either play most of this season in the minors, or he'll go off back to Russia. I for one would like to see him stick around and maybe catch him in the few games he does play this season in the NHL.....he might have hope for the future. He's just not gonna be this crazy breakout star that many people are/were expecting.....at least not THIS season. Edited September 12, 2007 by ShanahanMan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 the range of sentiments vary from Calder Trophy to he cant lift a hockey stick he is so out of shape :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Yzer19 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 I dont think this is bashing the guy... he is just a bit heavy, and should have come to camp in better shape. His nationality has nothing to do with that. Rick Nash has the same problem every year. So did the Canadians during the 72 Summit Series. I agree with you that it is not bashing and it has nothing to do with nationality. If anything Wings fans have a tendency to bash Canadian players way more than they do Russians or Europeans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 I agree with you that it is not bashing and it has nothing to do with nationality. If anything Wings fans have a tendency to bash Canadian players way more than they do Russians or Europeans. how quickly we all forget.... Datsyuk Fedorov Lang meanwhile Maltby and Draper (i like them both) can do no wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Yzer19 Report post Posted September 12, 2007 how quickly we all forget.... Datsyuk Fedorov Lang meanwhile Maltby and Draper (i like them both) can do no wrong Yes, Lang was bashed, but Fedorov and Datsyuk were never bashed. Don't forget Shanny, the guy that used to wear #19, Bertuzzi, Williams, Osgood, etc. All these Canadians were bashed by Wings fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
