Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 I was wondering if anyone can throw any light on the shoot out goal stats. It seems a bit confussing that the winning goal is added to the teams overall goals scored or conceeded if you lose. But the player who scores the goal doesn't get credited for it. I know that if a shoot out goes a few rounds you could get a final shoot out score of 8-7, so not all the players are going to be credited with the goal. So why is it added to the teams goal difference? Surely it is either a goal or it isn't not both as it is in the current format. Before tonights game we had scored 5 and let in 5 but the league shows 6-6. Not a big issue I know, but could it be a major factor at the end of the season when the goals scored could get a team a playoff spot. Any one have the actual lowdown? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirdrake 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 yes, but imagine if the shoot out went on and on with both team scoring goals. what if both teams had 200 shootout goals, and finally the winning team got 201 shootout goals. it wouldnt be fair to add 201 goals to the winners goal difference because most teams dont score many more than 200 goals all season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 the reason the player doesnt get credit is i think because the goalie might not get a goal against Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 I was wondering if anyone can throw any light on the shoot out goal stats. It seems a bit confussing that the winning goal is added to the teams overall goals scored or conceeded if you lose. But the player who scores the goal doesn't get credited for it. I know that if a shoot out goes a few rounds you could get a final shoot out score of 8-7, so not all the players are going to be credited with the goal. So why is it added to the teams goal difference? Surely it is either a goal or it isn't not both as it is in the current format. Before tonights game we had scored 5 and let in 5 but the league shows 6-6. Not a big issue I know, but could it be a major factor at the end of the season when the goals scored could get a team a playoff spot. Any one have the actual lowdown? I'm not sure why the NHL chose not to include the shootout goals in the skaters stats. Rule 84.4 is the shootout rule, it states that the losing goaltender tacked with another goal against in his personal stats, so not giving the players a goal seems odd, if not unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukonethree 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 I'm not sure why the NHL chose not to include the shootout goals in the skaters stats. Rule 84.4 is the shootout rule, it states that the losing goaltender tacked with another goal against in his personal stats, so not giving the players a goal seems odd, if not unfair. I didn't know about that rule. Very interesting. Before I knew about this I was opposed to counting shootout statistics, but if the losing goalie gets an additional goal against, I think the player who scored the game winning shootout goal should at least get credit for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 Has there been a recent bout of insanity? Why on earth would a guy scoring a goal in the shootout be credited for it in his personal stats? Or a goalie giving up a goal. I could be wrong, but I have to think that the goalie is not credited for a goal against either, if they are, that is completely absurd. I don't think it should count for a team's goals for or against stat either, but it probably does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) nm Edited October 9, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 Has there been a recent bout of insanity? Why on earth would a guy scoring a goal in the shootout be credited for it in his personal stats? Or a goalie giving up a goal. I could be wrong, but I have to think that the goalie is not credited for a goal against either, if they are, that is completely absurd. I don't think it should count for a team's goals for or against stat either, but it probably does. I didn't think it counted in those stats either. They don't track them because the shootout is completely created event that has little to do with actual hockey. It would be unfair to count a shootout goal in either a player or goalies real game stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 I didn't think it counted in those stats either. They don't track them because the shootout is completely created event that has little to do with actual hockey. It would be unfair to count a shootout goal in either a player or goalies real game stats. I agree, and I don't think that it should count for the team's total goals scored on the season either. It doesn't make sense to give a team an extra goal for the season totals, if no player actually scored that goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 I didn't think it counted in those stats either. They don't track them because the shootout is completely created event that has little to do with actual hockey. It would be unfair to count a shootout goal in either a player or goalies real game stats. Correct, SO goals and saves are not added to the stats. Something I would like the NHL to add though is SO stats as a seperate catagory as well as expand PP/PK stats (either +/- or a % effeective). I'm pretty sure they exist in some form or another already because they can be useful when talking contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 Correct, SO goals and saves are not added to the stats. Something I would like the NHL to add though is SO stats as a seperate catagory as well as expand PP/PK stats (either +/- or a % effeective). I'm pretty sure they exist in some form or another already because they can be useful when talking contracts. Rule 84.4 The losing goaltender is charged an extra goal against. Check it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 Rule 84.4 The losing goaltender is charged an extra goal against. Check it out. Checked and... Actually 2nd from the last para under that rule says that the losing goaltender will not be charged with an extra goal against. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 Checked and... Actually 2nd from the last para under that rule says that the losing goaltender will not be charged with an extra goal against. Mmmmmm that crow tastes fantstic. I'm not quite sure how I misread that paragraph. Oops! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik40 76 Report post Posted October 9, 2007 To me, the only reason they have the shootout is so there aren't ties. It's just a way for one team to get another point so I don't think the NHL would want any sort of stat from the shootout counting towards regulation ( and overtime) stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjgj13 30 Report post Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) If the losing goalie gets "credit" for allowing the goal that loses in the shootoout, why doesn't Dom have 8 goals allowed (has 7)? They have "allowed" 8 as a team due to the SO loss against CHI. Maybe I should have read the rest of the posts!! Edited October 10, 2007 by pjgj13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
