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[BeeRYCE]

It's simple, I'll list players that if they retired today or if they are just recently retired, would/should they be in the HOF? The players I'm listing are pretty much only players that would have people disputing. Remember, only consider if they retired today, not 5 years from now.

Mats Sundin - Yes/No
Eric Lindros - Yes/No
Peter Forsberg - Yes/No
Jeremy Roenick - Yes/No
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes/No
Mark Recchi - Yes/No
Mike Modano - Yes/No
Keith Tkachuk - Yes/No
Chris Osgood - Yes/No
Scott Niedermayer - Yes/No
Brendan Shanahan - Yes/No
Sergei Fedorov - Yes/No
Rob Blake - Yes/No
Alexander Mogilny - Yes/No
Curtis Joseph - Yes/No
Teemu Selanne - Yes/No
Gary Roberts - Yes/No
Nikolai Khabibulin - Yes/No

Those are only the guys that may have disputes (some of course may be unanimous). I think the only true unanimous ones are Lidstrom, Chelios, Sakic, Brodeur, Hasek, and Jagr.

[HomeNugget]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - No
Jeremy Roenick - No
Rod Brind'Amour - No
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - No
Scott Niedermayer - No
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - No
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

[vangvace]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - Yes
Jeremy Roenick - Yes
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - Yes
Chris Osgood - No
Scott Niedermayer - Yes
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - Yes
Nikolai Khabibulin - No


edit : wrong Niedermayer

Edited by vangvace, 19 November 2007 - 02:48 PM.

[b.shanafan14]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - Yes
Jeremy Roenick - Yes
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - Yes
Scott Niedermayer - No
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - Yes
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

Edited by b.shanafan14, 16 November 2007 - 10:48 AM.

[eva unit zero]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - No
Jeremy Roenick - No
Rod Brind'Amour - No
Mark Recchi - Yes
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - Yes
Scott Niedermayer - Yes
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - No
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - Yes
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - No
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

Edited by eva unit zero, 16 November 2007 - 11:10 AM.

[RedWingsFanatic]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - Yes
Jeremy Roenick - No
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - No
Scott Niedermayer - No
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - No
Rob Blake - No
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No
Teemu Selanne - No
Gary Roberts - No
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

[HuntsVegas Baby]

Honestly, I cannot see anyone other than Shanny following making it in there first year or two of eligibility. Others off this list may get in, but it is a "if one gets in than nine more should get in" type thing.

You should probably keep the same list and ask "who doesn't make it?"

[Hank Dats 'N Homer]

Mats Sundin - Yes-true leader, and with his points alone he is HOF worthy
Eric Lindros - No Unless they make a section in the HHOF for biggest dissapointments in NHL History
Peter Forsberg - No To injury prone. If he would have stayed healthy he would be a no brainer
Jeremy Roenick - Yes - NA player with 500 + goals plus one hell of a dancer, has to be HOF worthy
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes - Underrated. One of the, if not the best, defensive forwards with a great scoring ability.
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes - Without a doubt. No explanation needed
Keith Tkachuk - No - as of right now no, but if he plays well the next few years its a possibility
Chris Osgood - Yes - in the top 10 in wins as a career backup? Best backup goalie i have ever seen! Plus won a cup as a starter, the only thing that might hold him back was his stint in st louis and NY....
Scott Niedermayer - No - Based of pure hatred alone!
Brendan Shanahan - Yes - Scores everywhere he goes, makes players around him better!
Sergei Fedorov - Yes - If he wasnt so greedy and stayed with Detroit he would be a shoe in...hopefully his greed wont ruin his chances in NHL history
Rob Blake - No
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No - Washed up, should have hung them up years ago. Hurting his chances staying around
Teemu Selanne - Yes - To much skill to not be inducted
Gary Roberts - Yes - Love his style of play!
Nikolai Khabibulin - No -

[Legionnaire11]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - Yes
Peter Forsberg - Yes
Jeremy Roenick - Yes
Rod Brind'Amour - Yes
Mark Recchi - Yes
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - Yes
Chris Osgood - Yes
Scott Niedermayer - Yes
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - Yes
Curtis Joseph - Yes
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - Yes
Nikolai Khabibulin - Yes

had to go back and research some and then change my answers. look for yourself, not just regular season, but playoffs included. All of these guys have been unbelievable, I was actually surprised at some of the guys I originally said no to and then saw the numbers they put up.

Edited by Legionnaire11, 16 November 2007 - 12:07 PM.

[Offsides]

I'll just put who I think should, not who will.k.

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - Yes (I hate his guts but yes)
Jeremy Roenick - Erm....Undecided
Rod Brind'Amour - no
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - Yes
Scott Niedermayer - Undecided
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes - hell yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - No, which pains me
Curtis Joseph - Unsure
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - No
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

[RedWings Gone Wild]

Mats Sundin - Yes
Eric Lindros - No
Peter Forsberg - Without a doubt in my mind, he's been the most courted and overly valued player in the past decade, plus his two cups / mvp make him no doubt.
Jeremy Roenick - I doubt it, if he does it will be during a slow year in terms of retired players becoming eligable (though that could be long after all of us are dead).
Rod Brind'Amour - No
Mark Recchi - No
Mike Modano - All time leading American scorer? no doubt, he'd get in on that alone.
Keith Tkachuk - doubt it
Chris Osgood - No
Scott Niedermayer - Yes, most consider him a hall of famer.
Brendan Shanahan - He's been considered a hall of famer for the past 5-6 years now.
Sergei Fedorov - Yes, he has more points than any other Russian, he'll get in no matter what.
Rob Blake - I doubt it, but that's mainly because of the large number of players that will be retiring in his era that are simply better than him. He could be overlooked easily.
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - Yes (thought I don't personally think he deserves it)
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - No way
Nikolai Khabibulin - No, not a chance.


I'm not sure why Modano, Federov, Shanahan, Niedermayer, Selanne, and Forsberg are on this list. They're practically guaranteed to get in eventually. The rest of the guys are relying on the future generations producing very few hall worthy players to get in.

Edited by RedWings Gone Wild, 16 November 2007 - 12:04 PM.

[GMRwings1983]

It's simple, I'll list players that if they retired today or if they are just recently retired, would/should they be in the HOF? The players I'm listing are pretty much only players that would have people disputing. Remember, only consider if they retired today, not 5 years from now.

Mats Sundin - No
Eric Lindros - Yes
Peter Forsberg - Yes
Jeremy Roenick - No
Rod Brind'Amour - No
Mark Recchi - Yes
Mike Modano - Yes
Keith Tkachuk - No
Chris Osgood - No
Scott Niedermayer - Yes
Brendan Shanahan - Yes
Sergei Fedorov - Yes
Rob Blake - Yes
Alexander Mogilny - No
Curtis Joseph - No
Teemu Selanne - Yes
Gary Roberts - No
Nikolai Khabibulin - No

Those are only the guys that may have disputes (some of course may be unanimous). I think the only true unanimous ones are Lidstrom, Chelios, Sakic, Brodeur, Hasek, and Jagr.

Looking at my list, it's a little biased towards the guys that have won the Stanley Cup, with the exception of Lindros. Also, how's Shanny not a unanimous choice? Over 600 goals and 3 cups, that seems pretty unanimous to me.

[toby91_ca]

I think I like Eva's list the best, but I'm still shaking my head at a couple things:

1 - I think about 7 people (pretty much everyone) say no to Recchi, but yes to Modano. I can't quite understand this since Recchi has slightly better stats. The only explanation I can think of is that Modano is American and Recchi is Canadian.

2 - Almost all of you said no to Neidermayer and half say yes to Blake. How does Blake deserve it more than Neidermayer? How does Neidermayer not get in:

Awards and achievements
1990-91 - WHL - West First All-Star Team (Kamloops Blazers)
1990-91 - CHL - Scholastic Player of the Year (Canadian Major Junior)
1991-92 - WHL - West First All-Star Team (Kamloops Blazers)
1991-92 - Memorial Cup - Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
1992-93 - NHL All-Rookie Team (Defenceman)
1994-95 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
1997-98 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
1997-98 - NHL - Second All-Star Team (Defenceman)
1999-00 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
2000-01 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
2002-03 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
2003-04 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
2003-04 - NHL - First All-Star Team (Defenceman)
2003-04 - NHL - James Norris Memorial Trophy (Defenceman of the Year)
2006-07 - Nominated as Starter for NHL All-Star Game (but did not play)
2006-07 - NHL - Conn Smythe Trophy (Playoff MVP)
2006-07 - NHL - First All-Star Team (Defenceman)
2006-07 - Stanley Cup (Anaheim Ducks)

International play
Medal record
Competitor for Canada
Men's Ice Hockey
Olympic Games
Gold 2002 Salt Lake City Ice Hockey
World Championships
Gold 2004 Czech Republic Ice Hockey
World Cup
Gold 2004 World Cup of Hockey Ice Hockey
Silver 1996 World Cup of Hockey Ice Hockey
World Junior Championships
Gold 1991 Canada Ice Hockey
Played for Canada in:

1991 World Junior Championships (gold medal)
1992 World Junior Championships
1996 World Cup of Hockey (silver medal)
2002 Winter Olympics (gold medal)
2004 World Championships (gold medal)
2004 World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)

Looking at my list, it's a little biased towards the guys that have won the Stanley Cup, with the exception of Lindros. Also, how's Shanny not a unanimous choice? Over 600 goals and 3 cups, that seems pretty unanimous to me.

Well, I think Shanny will get in easily simply because he has over 600 goals, but in terms of arguments against:

- hasn't won a single individual award for his play
- Is less than a point per game player.

[Offsides]

I think I like Eva's list the best, but I'm still shaking my head at a couple things:

1 - I think about 7 people (pretty much everyone) say no to Recchi, but yes to Modano. I can't quite understand this since Recchi has slightly better stats. The only explanation I can think of is that Modano is American and Recchi is Canadian.

Nah, I think mostly people just made a split second decision based on what they know...I doubt most looked up every single players stats. As for Modano, he's been more of a face of the NHL, more name and face recognition. Still even though he's not doing as well I just think of him as one of the NHL heads even though all of his seasons haven't been remarkable, do you see what I'm saying. This is probably why perception is bad, but shows you perception at work. Also the fact that he's American, but not because I'm biased against Canadians, but probably that he's promoted more here.

[RedWings Gone Wild]

1 - I think about 7 people (pretty much everyone) say no to Recchi, but yes to Modano. I can't quite understand this since Recchi has slightly better stats. The only explanation I can think of is that Modano is American and Recchi is Canadian.

2 - Almost all of you said no to Neidermayer and half say yes to Blake. How does Blake deserve it more than Neidermayer? How does Neidermayer not get in:

What's wrong with my list then? heh
1 - EXACTLY! Modano is american and Recchi isn't. That automatically puts Modano ahead of Recchi. Not to mentioned, Modano is synonymous with Dallas Stars hockey. He's a one team guy, he's been a tremendous leader, his loyalty is impecable. He's everything the league wants to promote about itself. Even if the hall's decision was between Modano, and a bunch of guys better than him, Modano would get in, because his induction is what's best for hockey in the USA. Not saying it's right, just saying there is more to these things than skills. Marketing plays a major role.

2 - I said yes to Neidermayer, and I imagine everyone here would if it wasn't for the fact that we're still bitter from the playoffs ( i know i am). But you just can't logically say Neidermayer won't be in there. Norris, 3 cups, conn smyth. Only Lidstrom tops him with awards and stats (well, and Cheli, but Cheli is a decade older meaning he's had many more seasons to attain those stats).

[C-Dub]

Honestly, I cannot see anyone other than Shanny following making it in there first year or two of eligibility.

Modano is a first ballot hall of famer, no doubt about it.

I agree with the other's being kinda shaky overall, epsecially on first ballot.

[RedWings Gone Wild]

Honestly, I cannot see anyone other than Shanny following making it in there first year or two of eligability. Others off this list may get in, but it is a "if one gets in than nine more should get in" type thing.

Honestly, whether some of these guys are first year hhofers is purely based on when they retire and who they retire with. Federov and Forberg I could easily see as first year guys. Even Larionov got snuffed in his first year of eligablity, and he spent the entire first half of his career embarassing all the NHL stars on the KLM line (the best line of the past 20-30 years).

[toby91_ca]

What's wrong with my list then? heh

Well, I'd have to question the conclusion that Forsberg is a lock / no brainer, but Lindros doesn't get in.

Let me be clear, I could probably accept someone saying Lindros won't get in, but Forsberg will, but I can't understand separating them so much that Lindros doesn't get in and Forsberg is a lock. The only difference I see between them is that Forsberg has the cups. Is that enough to go from not getting in to being a lock? I definately shouldn't be.

[GordieSid&Ted]

It's simple, I'll list players that if they retired today or if they are just recently retired, would/should they be in the HOF? The players I'm listing are pretty much only players that would have people disputing. Remember, only consider if they retired today, not 5 years from now.

Mats Sundin - YES
Eric Lindros - NO
Peter Forsberg - YES
Jeremy Roenick - YES
Rod Brind'Amour - YES
Mark Recchi - YES
Mike Modano - YES
Keith Tkachuk - NO
Chris Osgood - NO
Scott Niedermayer - YES
Brendan Shanahan - YES
Sergei Fedorov - YES
Rob Blake - NO
Alexander Mogilny - NO
Curtis Joseph - YES
Teemu Selanne - YES
Gary Roberts - NO
Nikolai Khabibulin - NO

Those are only the guys that may have disputes (some of course may be unanimous). I think the only true unanimous ones are Lidstrom, Chelios, Sakic, Brodeur, Hasek, and Jagr.

You might as well add Scott Niedermayer and Brendan Shanahan to the list of unanimous. They're getting in without a doubt.

Forsberg, Recchi, Brindamour, Roenick might take awhile

PS: Anyone who put YES for Rob Blake and NO for Scott Niedermayer, your list is automatically thrown into the garbage. Seriously, "NO" to Niedermayer? That has everything to do with hatred and nothing to do with logic. The fact that people would toss Blake in there just compounds the insanity.

Edited by GordieSid&Ted, 16 November 2007 - 02:08 PM.

[GordieSid&Ted]

I think I like Eva's list the best, but I'm still shaking my head at a couple things:

1 - I think about 7 people (pretty much everyone) say no to Recchi, but yes to Modano. I can't quite understand this since Recchi has slightly better stats. The only explanation I can think of is that Modano is American and Recchi is Canadian.

2 - Almost all of you said no to Neidermayer and half say yes to Blake. How does Blake deserve it more than Neidermayer? How does Neidermayer not get in:

Awards and achievements
1990-91 - WHL - West First All-Star Team (Kamloops Blazers)
1990-91 - CHL - Scholastic Player of the Year (Canadian Major Junior)
1991-92 - WHL - West First All-Star Team (Kamloops Blazers)
1991-92 - Memorial Cup - Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
1992-93 - NHL All-Rookie Team (Defenceman)
1994-95 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
1997-98 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
1997-98 - NHL - Second All-Star Team (Defenceman)
1999-00 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
2000-01 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
2002-03 - Stanley Cup (New Jersey Devils)
2003-04 - Played in NHL All-Star Game
2003-04 - NHL - First All-Star Team (Defenceman)
2003-04 - NHL - James Norris Memorial Trophy (Defenceman of the Year)
2006-07 - Nominated as Starter for NHL All-Star Game (but did not play)
2006-07 - NHL - Conn Smythe Trophy (Playoff MVP)
2006-07 - NHL - First All-Star Team (Defenceman)
2006-07 - Stanley Cup (Anaheim Ducks)

International play
Medal record
Competitor for Canada
Men's Ice Hockey
Olympic Games
Gold 2002 Salt Lake City Ice Hockey
World Championships
Gold 2004 Czech Republic Ice Hockey
World Cup
Gold 2004 World Cup of Hockey Ice Hockey
Silver 1996 World Cup of Hockey Ice Hockey
World Junior Championships
Gold 1991 Canada Ice Hockey
Played for Canada in:

1991 World Junior Championships (gold medal)
1992 World Junior Championships
1996 World Cup of Hockey (silver medal)
2002 Winter Olympics (gold medal)
2004 World Championships (gold medal)
2004 World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
Well, I think Shanny will get in easily simply because he has over 600 goals, but in terms of arguments against:

- hasn't won a single individual award for his play
- Is less than a point per game player.

I don't know if the lack of individual awards will matter at all for Shanny.

1. He's about to pass Andrechuk for 11th all time in goals
2. He's about to crack the top 50 all time in assists
3. He's in the top 30rd all time in points
4. He's about to crack the top 20 all time in penalty minutes (speaks volumes about his style of play)
5. King Clancy trophy
6. 7 time all star
7. 2-time 1st team NHL all star
8. 3 Stanley Cups

He's got alot more going for him than just goals IMO.