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Seriously? Wow i had no idea! Finally a stat i can be proud of!!!! :D

Eh, it's mostly the crap stuff like hooking that go into that. But, whatever. It's something. ;)

We actually have 9 fighting majors now, and it's only November. We might actually pass our total last year. That would be great if we actually were't last in fighting majors. I'd be thrilled! :)

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I'm old school too.

It really sucks to be old school. My Uncle won't even watch hockey anymore, says Bettman pansified hockey, which he did. I mean the first thing I am saying when I see someone going to the corner is knock him on his *bleeping* ass. I mean when Downey waved off the refs the other night that was the first time I got on my feet and screamed in a long time. I don't give a crap what anyone says, I'd rather watch a fight than a shoot-out anyday.

Sorta like Eddie Shore.

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Eh, it's mostly the crap stuff like hooking that go into that. But, whatever. It's something. ;)

We actually have 9 fighting majors now, and it's only November. We might actually pass our total last year. That would be great if we actually were't last in fighting majors. I'd be thrilled! :)

Yeah i know...but we dont need to look at the fine print ;)

What i wouldnt give to just be in the middle of the pack at the end of the season for FM's.

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It really sucks to be old school. My Uncle won't even watch hockey anymore, says Bettman pansified hockey, which he did. I mean the first thing I am saying when I see someone going to the corner is knock him on his *bleeping* ass. I mean when Downey waved off the refs the other night that was the first time I got on my feet and screamed in a long time. I don't give a crap what anyone says, I'd rather watch a fight than a shoot-out anyday.

Sorta like Eddie Shore.

I love your line of thinking, and I'm the exact same way. It's been a while since I've really been exited during a Wings game. I mean, the playoffs were exiting, but the regular seasons are so long and boring. Downey's 2 fights the other night was the most exited I've been in a regular season game since... the last time there were more than 2 fights in a Wings game, which was some game against Nashville back in 2003-2004.

Hopefully this continues for the Wings, as I miss the old-time style of hockey here in Detroit. The past few years CeneterIce has really come in handy over the course of the regular season, because I wouldn't be seeing any fights at all otherwise.

Yeah i know...but we dont need to look at the fine print ;)

What i wouldnt give to just be in the middle of the pack at the end of the season for FM's.

Same here. The fights make some of the lame matchups during the regular season so much more exiting. I thought I'd never be that exited during a Columbus game as I was on Sunday.

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It really sucks to be old school. My Uncle won't even watch hockey anymore, says Bettman pansified hockey, which he did. I mean the first thing I am saying when I see someone going to the corner is knock him on his *bleeping* ass. I mean when Downey waved off the refs the other night that was the first time I got on my feet and screamed in a long time. I don't give a crap what anyone says, I'd rather watch a fight than a shoot-out anyday.

Sorta like Eddie Shore.

Same here!

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I love your line of thinking, and I'm the exact same way. It's been a while since I've really been exited during a Wings game. I mean, the playoffs were exiting, but the regular seasons are so long and boring. Downey's 2 fights the other night was the most exited I've been in a regular season game since... the last time there were more than 2 fights in a Wings game, which was some game against Nashville back in 2003-2004.

Hopefully this continues for the Wings, as I miss the old-time style of hockey here in Detroit. The past few years CeneterIce has really come in handy over the course of the regular season, because I wouldn't be seeing any fights at all otherwise.

Same here. The fights make some of the lame matchups during the regular season so much more exiting. I thought I'd never be that exited during a Columbus game as I was on Sunday.

I'm glad people feel the same way I do. I used to believe that hockey was the toughest and hardest sport to play. But at this point I just feel that it's the hardest. There really isn't anything tough about the NHL anymore. And the crazy thing is, fighting is up this year. It's almost hard to believe. We've gotten a couple fights from Drake (my last name is Drake and it DOES NOT get old hearing your last name said on tv during a wings game) and Downey but outside of that...really nothing. I rented NHL 08 for PS3 the other day and it took me so long to get used to it because I just tried railing everyone into the boards. It sucked.

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No. Jiri made the mistake of punching Dion the goon in the face. Not smart, when you're Jiri's size. At first I laughed at Hudler getting what he deserved but then I remembered the Flames goon it up when they lose regardless...

It's not a good idea to piss off Dion "goon" Phaneuf as he has an uncanny ability to smoke someone within the rules and have them eat with a straw and walk with a cane for a few months.

There is not a better open ice hitter in the league today,very dangerous yes, but none the less if he was on the Wings you would want him as the next mayor of Detroit :D

He is "dangerously" a great young talent and not only because he can hurt people.

It really sucks to be old school. My Uncle won't even watch hockey anymore, says Bettman pansified hockey, which he did. I mean the first thing I am saying when I see someone going to the corner is knock him on his *bleeping* ass. I mean when Downey waved off the refs the other night that was the first time I got on my feet and screamed in a long time. I don't give a crap what anyone says, I'd rather watch a fight than a shoot-out anyday.

Sorta like Eddie Shore.

I use to love smiles ala Bobby Clark, nowdays the players are doing Crest commercials :crazy:

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I thought the game was called very well tonite except for a few instances. As far as the high sticks are concerned, its been established that a player is responsible for their stick and if it hits high its an automatic. As far as phantom calls, I thought the trip on Rafalski could have been let go, but I think when the gooning started and bodies for flying away from the puck Calgary got lucky on some no calls. The call on Lidstrom on the sort of break was a bogus one because it was flawless stick lifting and I kinda felt like it was just rewarding the breakaway.

As far as calling for the ridiculus instigator on Lilja, this is definately an example of why it shouldn't even exist. Hudler passes the puck, Phaneuf is already on the warpath and has a guy a great deal smaller than him lined up and its definately an instance where most Wings would have pulled up, but in the Flames goon mold, Dion gets up nice and high and takes advantage. Lilja was completely in his right to drag Dion off the bench if he had to because a player has to be held accountable for his actions on the ice.

Don't be fooled, there were a lot of missed cheapshots and hits away from the play, and even as the game was closing, as usual in a losing effort and to no surprise to me, Iginla started crosschecking backs and slashing legs of players like Zetterberg. But, also to no surprise, he got away with it just fine....

Ho Hum. Great game on the Wings part outside of a few sloppy breaks. Datsyuk was a genius. Osgood 11-1-1

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The Wings are the 2nd most penalized team in the league, stop crying.

I don't know where you got the facts of the wings being 2nd most penalized team in the league, I don't post much on the forums, but the wings as of today have only received 135 penalties. There are a handful of teams which have recieved more peanlties than the red wings. To name a few Anaheim leads the league with 170 peantlies, Phili with 151 peanlties. There are also 7 more teams ahead of the wings in penalties. Now if you go with total penalty minutes PIM the red wings rank even lower on the charts. The red wings are ranked 10th lowest in the league in PIM recording 298 pims through 23 games. Top team in the league has 437 PIMs which is Philidelphia. Not to burst your bubble about the PIMs for the wings, just thought I'd throw that out.

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We actually have 9 fighting majors now, and it's only November. We might actually pass our total last year. That would be great if we actually were't last in fighting majors. I'd be thrilled! :)

Considering there were only SIX in an entire season a couple years ago, I'll take it...

Downey fought twice? In the Columbus game? First game I've missed in a very long while and I do have it Tivoed.

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Ok, those who know me from my posts know i'm not a troll as a matter of fact i'm a Wings fan second after a Flames but this game was facking brutal, Detroit can clutch, grab and interfere at will yet the Flames are called for sniffing on the Wings, I PVR'ed the game and i still can't find 3 of the Flames penaties. they don't call the old man on a knee on knee and where was the instigator penalty after Phaneuf destroyed Jiri. Lillypad goes after Phaneuf and no penalty?

I don't like the instigator rule but it is still there or at least i thought it was.

I swear the Wings had blowjob girls set up for the refs tonight...very frustrating :thumbdown:

You might look for the four instigator penalties which should have been called at the end of game five last playoff year between our two teams, but weren't.

If they're not called when that sort of blatantly-unsportsmanlike, disgusting behavior is on display, they'll never be called.

It's not a good idea to piss off Dion "goon" Phaneuf as he has an uncanny ability to smoke someone within the rules and have them eat with a straw and walk with a cane for a few months.

There is not a better open ice hitter in the league today,very dangerous yes, but none the less if he was on the Wings you would want him as the next mayor of Detroit :D

Gee, the typical "he's dirty but you'd love him if he were on your team" shpiel. Hint: you're wrong.

Dion left his feet to hit a player nearly half a foot shorter than he is. That's inexcusable and he should be suspended.

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Ok, those who know me from my posts know i'm not a troll as a matter of fact i'm a Wings fan second after a Flames but this game was facking brutal, Detroit can clutch, grab and interfere at will yet the Flames are called for sniffing on the Wings, I PVR'ed the game and i still can't find 3 of the Flames penaties. they don't call the old man on a knee on knee and where was the instigator penalty after Phaneuf destroyed Jiri. Lillypad goes after Phaneuf and no penalty?

I don't like the instigator rule but it is still there or at least i thought it was.

I swear the Wings had blowjob girls set up for the refs tonight...very frustrating :thumbdown:

Well.... if you think the refs were bad in tonights game, you should have watched the Ducks and Canucks game. Anaheim was robbed lastnight. The Canucks had 4 5 on 3 PP in under 10 mintues. Don't get me wrong I hate the Ducks, but still!!

I think the Flames are still under the microscope in some sorts after Jamies Macs homerun swing to the gut of Franzen last year.

Just remember we can all think that great commish we have for all of these lame penalties!!!!

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I was only able to catch the fist two periods. In those periods, I thought the game was called pretty even, the refs missed some calls on both sides. However, the missed call on Chelios was a little baffling, I can't think of any reasoning for that one. Anyone think Chelios may be getting the benefit of calls in his older age?

In terms of the Phaneuf hit on Hudler and ensuing fight, I watched the replays. What a monster hit and what the hell was Hudler thinking, you can't do that sort of thing in the NHL....especially at his size, he'll get killed.

As far as complaining about no instigator call....well, here's the rule:

47.11Instigator - An instigator of an altercation shall be a player or

goalkeeper who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some

of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch

thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats;

conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; obvious

retribution for a previous incident in the game or season.

I don't see where there would be an instigator call there, simply looked like Lilja challenged and Phaneuf accepted, normal fight.

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Well seeing as Phanuef got away with a charge with that big hit on Hudler I would say it all evened out in the end.

(Don't agree watch the footage he leaves his feet before contact, whether that be a second before or a half second he left his feet, charge!)

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Well seeing as Phanuef got away with a charge with that big hit on Hudler I would say it all evened out in the end.

(Don't agree watch the footage he leaves his feet before contact, whether that be a second before or a half second he left his feet, charge!)

:crazy:

Needless to say, I don't agree at all.

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I don't agree with a lot of rules or calls in the game of hockey today but a charge is a charge as much as instigation is instigation and goaltender interference is ..blah blah you get the point.

My point is, I guess, that with how inconsistent the league is with what is and what isn't a penalty players have no idea what they can and can't get away with.

But if you go by the rule book:

# A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed, and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).

# A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

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I don't agree with a lot of rules or calls in the game of hockey today but a charge is a charge as much as instigation is instigation and goaltender interference is ..blah blah you get the point.

My point is, I guess, that with how inconsistent the league is with what is and what isn't a penalty players have no idea what they can and can't get away with.

But if you go by the rule book:

# A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed, and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).

# A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

My disagreement is that I don't think Phaneuf even came close to "jumping" into the hit. I can see where you might think that, but it's just the natural flow of a hit like that, especially against a smaller guy.

I don't think you'd find any ref in the league that would call that a penalty and thank god, we need more of those hits.

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Ok, those who know me from my posts know i'm not a troll as a matter of fact i'm a Wings fan second after a Flames but this game was facking brutal, Detroit can clutch, grab and interfere at will yet the Flames are called for sniffing on the Wings, I PVR'ed the game and i still can't find 3 of the Flames penaties. they don't call the old man on a knee on knee and where was the instigator penalty after Phaneuf destroyed Jiri. Lillypad goes after Phaneuf and no penalty?

I don't like the instigator rule but it is still there or at least i thought it was.

I swear the Wings had blowjob girls set up for the refs tonight...very frustrating :thumbdown:

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Ok, those who know me from my posts know i'm not a troll as a matter of fact i'm a Wings fan second after a Flames but this game was facking brutal, Detroit can clutch, grab and interfere at will yet the Flames are called for sniffing on the Wings, I PVR'ed the game and i still can't find 3 of the Flames penaties. they don't call the old man on a knee on knee and where was the instigator penalty after Phaneuf destroyed Jiri. Lillypad goes after Phaneuf and no penalty?

I don't like the instigator rule but it is still there or at least i thought it was.

I swear the Wings had blowjob girls set up for the refs tonight...very frustrating :thumbdown:

It's not to nice when the shoe is on the other foot,I lost all respect for the Flames little that I had after that display from your goalie last year and Iginlia so stop your bitching and as far as Phanuef 6' 5" hitting Hudler 5' 8" give me a break,players need to be held accountable for there actions on the ice by the players on the ice. As for the PAIN TRAIN (Lillia) he did what is expected of him to protect his team mates. I have the worlds smallest violien and it is playing my heart bleeds purple peanut butter for you :!:

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I don't know where you got the facts of the wings being 2nd most penalized team in the league, I don't post much on the forums, but the wings as of today have only received 135 penalties. There are a handful of teams which have recieved more peanlties than the red wings. To name a few Anaheim leads the league with 170 peantlies, Phili with 151 peanlties. There are also 7 more teams ahead of the wings in penalties. Now if you go with total penalty minutes PIM the red wings rank even lower on the charts. The red wings are ranked 10th lowest in the league in PIM recording 298 pims through 23 games. Top team in the league has 437 PIMs which is Philidelphia. Not to burst your bubble about the PIMs for the wings, just thought I'd throw that out.

The Wings are ranked #3 in PK situations. Only Anaheim and Calgary (recently passed us) have given up more PPs to the opposition. Considering how much the Wings own the puck, that's startling to say the very least. We're the best face off team. We take the most shots and allow the fewest so obviously we've got the puck a lot, but somehow we're taking all these penalties in the process. Doesn't seem right.

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It's hockey. I feel you should be expected to be held, grabbed, clutched and knocked on your ass. Guess I'm old school.

I guess if you define the last ten years as old school. :P

I'm into old school hockey too, fighting, getting knocked on your ass, sticking up for your teammates. But the clutching and grabbing isn't what I consider old school.

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I agree. Why Datsyuk clutched, hooked and grabbed like a maniac on those two goals of his, especially the second one where he went in on a one on three. I am truly ashamed of him and gosh darn it all, this game should be striken from the records of the NHL and all video highlights destroyed! Give the Flames the 2 points because gash darn it all, they are a clean playing team who values skill over dirty play!

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Ok, those who know me from my posts know i'm not a troll as a matter of fact i'm a Wings fan second after a Flames but this game was facking brutal, Detroit can clutch, grab and interfere at will yet the Flames are called for sniffing on the Wings, I PVR'ed the game and i still can't find 3 of the Flames penaties. they don't call the old man on a knee on knee and where was the instigator penalty after Phaneuf destroyed Jiri. Lillypad goes after Phaneuf and no penalty?

I don't like the instigator rule but it is still there or at least i thought it was.

I swear the Wings had blowjob girls set up for the refs tonight...very frustrating :thumbdown:

what about the none crosscheck calls thats your so called star does in every game and gets about 2% called...and what about phaneuf leaving his feet on the hit on huds....5'9 against 6'2....now what if that was on the other foot....would you expect someone on the flames to go after the player? and what if they got an instigator call..you would be pissed. the refs probably let it go because the hit was uncalled for. watch some wings games and tell me they get no calls on them when hommer gets the worse phantom calls on any person in the league.

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