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#21 Grittzkey

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:34 PM

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"he Wings have Jiri Hudler and Kyle Quincey they're willing to dangle"
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Lidstromrules16 @ February 8, 2008 - 09:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
am I the only one who likes Lebda??? I mean honestly, I love having him on the team.


Nope, favorite wing. US born skates hard both ways. Agreed lots to learn however is doing well.

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (Uncle Danny @ February 8, 2008 - 07:24PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should have added:

Cleary: contract year, really lit things up this year, still young enough to have some solid NHL seasons ahead if he keeps up the regimen

Of course there are reasons for and against each player being traded (for example, Cleary was a career underperformer before coming to Detroit), but it does make for interesting discussion. I think Hudler and some Griffins are our only true non-pick bait this season, but we'll see. Once again, I predict no major trades for us this season.


Cleary is on the last year of his contract. Why would a non-playoff bound team trade anything for him?

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Grittzkey @ February 8, 2008 - 11:34PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.thefourth...s/pagnotta.html

"he Wings have Jiri Hudler and Kyle Quincey they're willing to dangle"

eh, I am not too big on giving up Hudler.

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Crymson @ February 9, 2008 - 12:00AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cleary is on the last year of his contract. Why would a non-playoff bound team trade anything for him?

because they could be willing to offer him a larger contract than Detroit?
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:26 AM

Dump Hudler. He hasn't scored a goal in 10 games, and his numbers this season aren't all that great anyways. He's a very one-dimensional hockey player, and if he's not scoring goals, he's pretty much useless.

Besides that, I think he's overated to the extreme around here. I remember people even comparing him to Paul Kariya at one point, which I laughed my ass off when I seen that. Great AHL numbers do not always translate to NHL success. Otherwise, Stacy Roest (remember him?), who is the exact same type of player as Hudler, might still be in the NHL...

I don't like hearing that Quincey might be traded, because I think the guy has all the tools to become a great defenseman. Same thing with the others like Kindl and Ericsson. Leave these guys alone in the minors, and let them develop. Heck, if the Griffins didn't blow so badly this year, maybe their potential would be showing better, and they wouldn't all be having such bad seasons...

Edited by Kp-Wings, 09 February 2008 - 12:27 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:39 AM

QUOTE (Lidstromrules16 @ February 8, 2008 - 09:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
am I the only one who likes Lebda??? I mean honestly, I love having him on the team.

He's a decent 5/6 defenseman but he's kind of redundant here. He's a great skater and that's about it. He's weak along the boards due to his size and can't do much offensively. I'd rather have a bruiser in his spot.
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ February 9, 2008 - 12:39AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's a decent 5/6 defenseman but he's kind of redundant here. He's a great skater and that's about it. He's weak along the boards due to his size and can't do much offensively. I'd rather have a bruiser in his spot.

Agreed. We could do a reverse-Sergei and have him play forward. He has wheels and can control the puck. Could he do better up front???

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#29 Lidstromrules16

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:44 AM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ February 9, 2008 - 12:39AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's a decent 5/6 defenseman but he's kind of redundant here. He's a great skater and that's about it. He's weak along the boards due to his size and can't do much offensively. I'd rather have a bruiser in his spot.



True, but I think his speed is a great asset to our team. Like lidstrom he is able to jump up in the play, yet get back and not neglect his defensive responsibilities, most of the time atleast. As long as him and Kronnic never play together due to their habit of turning the puck over in our zone, I think Lebs is a fine fit for our team.

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE (Wings_Dynasty @ February 9, 2008 - 12:42AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. We could do a reverse-Sergei and have him play forward. He has wheels and can control the puck. Could he do better up front???



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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (Lidstromrules16 @ February 9, 2008 - 12:46AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lebda has hands of stone.......... smile.gif

So does Draper. wink.gif

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It still would be nice to have that one guy.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:01 AM

QUOTE (Wings_Dynasty @ February 9, 2008 - 12:42AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. We could do a reverse-Sergei and have him play forward. He has wheels and can control the puck. Could he do better up front???

I'm pretty sure Babcock tried it for a game last year. Didn't work out too well.
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:06 AM

Lebda does not impress me at all. He can skate, but he can't do anything else. He's just another body out there being used to eat up minutes so Lidstrom can rest, if you ask me. The Wings would be better off getting a physical defenseman at the deadline to take his spot, or an all around performer that can play the PP, as well as do other things (such as Brad Stuart, whom is now in my avatar smile.gif ).

I don't think Lebda will be moved, because Babcock seems to like him. His name isn't mentioned in trade rumors, and they seem to happy with what he does (which I don't seem to see), so I don't see him going anywhere at the trade deadline.

Edited by Kp-Wings, 09 February 2008 - 01:09 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:07 AM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ February 9, 2008 - 01:01AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure Babcock tried it for a game last year. Didn't work out too well.


Nope. Lebda was slated to play up front, but never ended up playing a shift at forward..
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:07 AM

i agree with sammy, huds and lilja. But not Lebda i like him.

And i am shocked that you put ozzy on that list.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE (Wings_Dynasty @ February 9, 2008 - 12:55AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So does Draper. wink.gif



that is true.

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:17 AM

QUOTE (Grittzkey @ February 8, 2008 - 11:34PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.thefourth...s/pagnotta.html

"he Wings have Jiri Hudler and Kyle Quincey they're willing to dangle"


Hudler + Quincey + a 1st rounder is a pretty good deal for anyone...maybe not competitive enough, but still as a package or separately, those pieces should be able to attract something nice. Two cheap, young, NHL ready players is a good deal for anyone..
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 02:02 AM

I really don't think the Wings will give their 1st round pick to anyone. They have traded them away for so many years and I think those practices are over in the "new" NHL where teams are more competitive and talent is more important. They need a top 30 player to bring in every season.

Any other pick is fair game IMO.

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It still would be nice to have that one guy.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Kp-Wings @ February 9, 2008 - 12:26AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dump Hudler. He hasn't scored a goal in 10 games, and his numbers this season aren't all that great anyways. He's a very one-dimensional hockey player, and if he's not scoring goals, he's pretty much useless.

Besides that, I think he's overated to the extreme around here. I remember people even comparing him to Paul Kariya at one point, which I laughed my ass off when I seen that. Great AHL numbers do not always translate to NHL success. Otherwise, Stacy Roest (remember him?), who is the exact same type of player as Hudler, might still be in the NHL...

I don't like hearing that Quincey might be traded, because I think the guy has all the tools to become a great defenseman. Same thing with the others like Kindl and Ericsson. Leave these guys alone in the minors, and let them develop. Heck, if the Griffins didn't blow so badly this year, maybe their potential would be showing better, and they wouldn't all be having such bad seasons...


uhhhh huds has 32 pts this season which is more than sammy and flip, and he does it while getting less time than them, so i wouldnt call him useless

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (irishtemper14+25 @ February 9, 2008 - 03:14AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uhhhh huds has 32 pts this season which is more than sammy and flip, and he does it while getting less time than them, so i wouldnt call him useless

Yeah, and that was all in a little hot-streak back in late November through Mid-December. What has he done since then?

Hudler hasn't scored a goal in 10 games. If he's not producing points, he's virtually useless, and contributes nothing when he doesn't score. If he is scoring, then he's fine, but otherwise, I see no reason for him to be in the lineup.

...and also, he may have more points than Filppula, but is nowhere near the all around player that Filppula is. Filppula is a better player, and can play a defensive role, as well as an offensive role. Hudler can only do one, and lately, he hasn't been doing what he's supposed to.

To be honest, I've never been a big Hudler fan. I know plenty of small guys in the NHL have gone on to have great careers (Marty St. Louis, Brian Gionta, Valeri Bure, Cliff Ronning, etc.), but for some reason, Hudler doesn't impress me. The only time I really see anything from him is in the shootout, which he is good in. But, the shootout isn't important enough to keep a guy around solely for that purpose. This season, scoring wise, he's been inconsistant at best. Maybe with more ice, he'd be scoring more, but it's hard to tell.

Overall, Hudler is not considered an "untouchable player" because you can find plenty of guys like him, whether it be in the draft, free agency, straight out of Europe (one of those three Swedish prospects, I think his last name was Klassen, has similar statistics and playing style over in Europe), or a variety of other places. If teams want Hudler, there is no reason why the Wings shouldn't give him up, if they can something decent for him. He's one of the players the Wings really can move.

Oh, and by the way... I hate Samuelsson, so you don't have to use him in an arguement to support Hudler, or any other player for that matter. wink.gif

Edited by Kp-Wings, 09 February 2008 - 03:44 AM.






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