its about time

[Guest octopusdank]

when the f*** is samuelsson going to go?? he seriously SUCKS, all you non-haters, what are there like 2 of you left, what excuse do you have now? he continually brings suckage to a new level, what else does he have to do for babcock to send him down(i know its unrealistic but come on)? injure someone else? how about a puck to homers dome?? ive never hated a red wing, but id shoot sammy if i saw him in person

[rod 0]

when the f*** is samuelsson going to go?? he seriously SUCKS, all you non-haters, what are there like 2 of you left, what excuse do you have now? he continually brings suckage to a new level, what else does he have to do for babcock to send him down(i know its unrealistic but come on)? injure someone else? how about a puck to homers dome?? ive never hated a red wing, but id shoot sammy if i saw him in person

I agree, package him up with someone and try to get something!

[Guest octopusdank]

I agree, package him up with someone and try to get something!

i totally agree, but if any GMs have been watching him, im unsure why theyd take him

[Zion 93]

Are you referring to the play late in the 3rd on the power play?

This team's lack of depth is being exposed, and their defense just isn't very deep. One injury in the playoffs on the backline, with this roster, can literally be all it takes to lose a series the way we've (not) been scoring.

[Vincanni 1]

Sammy was one of the few players without a - tonight and who exactly do you think we'd get in return for trading him? Face it, while it sounds a bit to me like you're just venting, the cause of our current struggles stem deeper than a single player.

[55fan 5,133]

I'm one of the two non-haters. I would rather not see him on the PP, but I don't have a problem with him as a 3rd or 4th liner. Moving one of the other guys up isn't going to help if they don't step up and play better than they have.

Right now the problem isn't "we need someone better than Sammy", but "we need someone better than himself" (himself referring to the other player in question- man, there's no clear way to word that sentance- sorry, blame the alcohol).

In short, we're stuck with Sammy for the time being. It's kind of like going to the prom with your cousin. You know you won't score, but it's better than nothing. Hmm, maybe we should see if GR has any hattie-scoring forwards available.

Edit for complete lack of clarity.

Edited February 16, 2008 by 55fan

[Izzy24 44]

I'm one of the two non-haters. I would rather not see him on the PP, but I don't have a problem with him as a 3rd or 4th liner. Moving one of the other guys up isn't going to help if they don't step up and play better than they have.

Right now the problem isn't "we need someone better than Sammy", but "we need someone better than himself" (himself referring to the other player in question- man, there's no clear way to word that sentance- sorry, blame the alcohol).

In short, we're stuck with Sammy for the time being. It's kind of like going to the prom with your cousin. You know you won't score, but it's better than nothing. Hmm, maybe we should see if GR has any hattie-scoring forwards available.

Edit for complete lack of clarity.

I must be the other one.

[Nik1984 0]

Sammy didnt play well recently but so did nobody on this team.

The problem is not Samuelsson himself. The problem is that Samuelsson is meant to be a Top 6 Forward in our team! Same goes for Franzen, Hudler, Filppula etc.

Before the season we were worried that after loosing the entire 2nd line and not adding any forward we will lack secondary forward. We relied on guys like Holmström, Cleary, Filppula, Hudler, Franzen and Samuelsson stepping it up.

The only ones who really made the step to being a Top 6 Forward were Cleary and Homer. The other ones were inconstant. Right our whole team is on a cold streak and we play poor defensivly. We cant always rely on Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Anyways, as we play bad defensivly, miss some important players like Kronwall and Cleary - and our Top Line not being on one of their tremendous scoring streak, we finally realize that guys like Samuelsson, Franzen, Filppula and Hulder are not proper Top 6 Forwards (yet).

I dont mind having Samuelsson on the team. He is a cheap solid 3rd line winger who would bring great depth to our team if we had a decent 2nd line.

[Guest octopusdank]

Sammy was one of the few players without a - tonight and who exactly do you think we'd get in return for trading him? Face it, while it sounds a bit to me like you're just venting, the cause of our current struggles stem deeper than a single player.

i dont think we'd get anyone better than him alone, he'd have to be part of a package. and im not hating a single player after a one game f***up, hes been very consistent at it.

[VM1138 1,921]

Sammy just needs to be dropped a few lines. He shoots the puck, and so could add a little spark down low on the roster.

The key is to get a 2nd line scorer. Or a top line scorer so we can break up Z and Dats.

[mackel 681]

Sammy just needs to be dropped a few lines. He shoots the puck, and so could add a little spark down low on the roster.

The key is to get a 2nd line scorer. Or a top line scorer so we can break up Z and Dats.

We don't need scoring, we need defencemen... Chelly is too old for an expanded role and Quincy and Meech are just not ready for the big time (and may never be). Scoring will pick back up once the team feels it can play without worring that we'll have a terrible give away every shift.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I'm one of the two non-haters. I would rather not see him on the PP, but I don't have a problem with him as a 3rd or 4th liner. Moving one of the other guys up isn't going to help if they don't step up and play better than they have.

Right now the problem isn't "we need someone better than Sammy", but "we need someone better than himself" (himself referring to the other player in question- man, there's no clear way to word that sentance- sorry, blame the alcohol).

In short, we're stuck with Sammy for the time being. It's kind of like going to the prom with your cousin. You know you won't score, but it's better than nothing. Hmm, maybe we should see if GR has any hattie-scoring forwards available.

Edit for complete lack of clarity.

Haha, only two? Give me a break.

While there are a ton of people who bash Samuelsson, there are a ton of people who defend him with their lives as well. I've all but given up bashing on Samuelsson, because I'm tired of the personal attacks that are thrown at me if I dare say anything bad about him.

[umredwing11 2]

Sammy just needs to be dropped a few lines. He shoots the puck, and so could add a little spark down low on the roster.

The key is to get a 2nd line scorer. Or a top line scorer so we can break up Z and Dats.

Unfortunately, if Sammy was moved to the 3rd or 4th line he'd have to grind it out and actually work hard. That could be a problem.

[Guest LivingtheDream]

I would love to see him go, but there is the insanity based on the idea that because he shoots he is worth keeping.

[55fan 5,133]

Haha, only two? Give me a break.

While there are a ton of people who bash Samuelsson, there are a ton of people who defend him with their lives as well. I've all but given up bashing on Samuelsson, because I'm tired of the personal attacks that are thrown at me if I dare say anything bad about him.

Well, I'm not going to bash you for bashing Sammy, if you promise not to bash the people who will bash me for not bashing you for bashing Sammy.

[RedFX 48]

I don't see us getting anything better than a 4th round pick.

[Guest Crymson]

when the f*** is samuelsson going to go?? he seriously SUCKS, all you non-haters, what are there like 2 of you left, what excuse do you have now? he continually brings suckage to a new level, what else does he have to do for babcock to send him down(i know its unrealistic but come on)? injure someone else? how about a puck to homers dome?? ive never hated a red wing, but id shoot sammy if i saw him in person

For $1.2m, he's pretty good. You are simply spoiled by the fact that we have so many other good players.

Some players will be worthless. Other teams have lots of them. Sammy is less worthless than most.

FYI: Sammy was 5th in scoring for us in the playoffs last year.

Edited February 16, 2008 by Crymson

[theman19 47]

For $1.2m, he's pretty good. You are simply spoiled by the fact that we have so many other good players.

Some players will be worthless. Other teams have lots of them. Sammy is less worthless than most.

FYI: Sammy was 5th in scoring for us in the playoffs last year.

FYI Sergi Federov is the all time Playoff Goal Score Leader for the Red wings. Why do i bring this up? Because that was the past and this is the present.

Sammy was 5th in scoring for us, good for him. If he's 20th in scoring for us this year, he's just a worthless in the playoffs as he was in the regular season.

[NHLrules? 32]

Id trade sammela for package of hot dogs, aldi brand hot dogs.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Well, I'm not going to bash you for bashing Sammy, if you promise not to bash the people who will bash me for not bashing you for bashing Sammy.

Oh no, I wasn't referring to you in that post. There is one particular person (whose name I won't mention) who does it all the time, though, and it's pretty ridiculous.

[55fan 5,133]

Oh no, I wasn't referring to you in that post. There is one particular person (whose name I won't mention) who does it all the time, though, and it's pretty ridiculous.

Comprendo.

The problem with Sammy having been named Whipping Boy as soon as Lang stared packing is that now those who bash Sammy for fun and those who are calling them as they see them are saying the same things and it's hard to tell who just likes to be mean and who is being honest. With Sammy right now, reality isn't nice. He hasn't been performing well.

I just feel for the guy since he was projected to bomb before he hit training camp. For that reason, I'd love to see him excel and prove everyone wrong. It's those decades of mental conditioning as a Lions fan in Vikings/Packers territory. You tend to root for the underdog.

Heck, the way things are going right now, I just want to see someone start excelling.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You know what? I know Sammy sucks. But Im really sick of people overlooking Hudler and Filppula - particularly Filppula with the way he is idolized on this board - for not doing s*** when theyre 1) being given the ice time and 2) needed the most. This should be Hudler and Flips chance to take the opportunity to show what they can do and run with it. And what have they done? Next to nothing.

And you know what else? The Filppula - Zetterberg comparisons really need to stop. In Zetterbergs 2nd season, if he hadnt broken his leg, he probably couldve hit 25 goals and 55 points at least. Not to mention he had over 20 in his rookie year alone. And that was when the Wings were even deeper than they are now..

That being said, management needs to take a look at whats out there, and the big, gritty, skilled, defensively responsible, goal scoring, playmaking, just-now-entering-his-prime winger thats wasting away on Atlantas roster needs to be in a Red Wings jersey ASAP. And Hudler AND Flip should both be on the table...

[sinbin 3]

there's no grit........we're in pond hockey mode right now.......we're playing it safe to keep from injuries before PO time......leave Huds & Flip alone.........

[sinbin 3]

I think the other teams have found the virus to the puck possession system.....it's time to change it, Babs!

[Dabura 12,207]

You are simply spoiled by the fact that we have so many other good players.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it it!!!11one