Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Haha, I think youre overestimating this quite a bit. If there are 8 teams that were looking at Sundin and Hossa, there would still have been 7 teams looking at Hossa if Sundin went to a team. It would be one thing if there were 4 or 5 Sundins and they all said no, but lets be realistic here. The percentage hasnt changed that much. Not to mention, Brad Richards is now officially being shopped. Then theres also Tanguay and Jokinen. And to top it all off, now that Anaheim didnt add Sundin, maybe a team like San Jose will instead turn their focus from, say, Hossa and Stuart, to the bigger fish in Brian Campbell. And finally, as someone else said, Hossa does in effect have some control over where he lands. If a team is only willing to make an offer for me under the condition that he re-signs with them, and he knows he doesn't want to go with that team, all he has to do is refuse to sign longterm with him, and that team will have to look elsewhere. I really dont think Jokinen's going anywhere. When the other major guy is taken off the market, all the focus is now on Hossa. How does his price not shoot up??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 bring in hossa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Tons of respect for Sundin. I'm glad Anaheim won't be getting him. I don't see how this really drives up the price for Hossa, either. If Sundin were to be traded, I doubt his list of teams would've been that big. They would be the same teams in contention for Hossa I belive, because Sundin would want to go to a contender, as does Hossa, so yeah same teams...now that they cant say screw you toronto ill go talk to atlanta or vice versa atlanta holds 3 Aces after the flop...itll take a damn good turn and river to beat them...they definitely have the upper hand in negotiations now, and teams that really want that "impact player" will up their antes now to make sure they aren't left out.... If Holland is saying he won't over trade to get someone...then Hossa is probably out. Feds and Prospal are more in play now for Detroit I think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I wouldn't call him a dick but I don't understand why he would want to stay with a team that doesn't want him. I'm all for loyalty but it's a two way street. Why would he stay loyal to a team that wasn't loyal to him. What do you mean they are not loyal to him. They asked him to waive it and they wont think anything of him not doing so as he is within the rights of his contract. Sundin is loved in Leaf Nation, trust me I live in it. It is not as if Fletcher was shopping him, the deal(s) were offered to Fletcher. Give your head a shake bud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Well not a big surprise here, really. And how is trading Sundin going to solve all of Toronto's problems? You make it seem like that's the key - the miracle cure. That's retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Canadian Wings Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Exactly. Now that Sundin is eliminated, the price for Hossa shoots up even more as he's now the only huge name left. Supply goes down, demand goes up. I know what your saying, but all it was going to do was take one team away from the sweep stakes. Anaheim won't go after Hossa anyways unless they want to give up Perry. Who else could they give back to Atlanta that would help them now? It might drive the price up a bit, but not that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 would of liked sundin to get traded so he could have a shot at the cup but good for him for sticking to his team. i think this puts less pressure on wings to get Hossa. Even though i think they might. NOW TO THE HOSSA THREAD!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Canadian Wings Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I can hear leafs fans going ballistic. check out hfboards "were gonna suck forever now" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 If's he content with never winning the Cup, more power to him. But if Toronto fans boo him, they can go to f***. The man IS the Leafs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Exactly. Now that Sundin is eliminated, the price for Hossa shoots up even more as he's now the only huge name left. Supply goes down, demand goes up. But the Hossa-situation is different. Nobody expected Sundin to resign with the team he got traded to. Any Hossa-deal would likely have to include guarantees that he'd be resigned. That makes him more expensive but it also limits the amount of teams that can go after him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Props to him. Classy move in a crappy situation. More power to him. We won't get Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Tons of respect for Sundin. I'm glad Anaheim won't be getting him. I don't see how this really drives up the price for Hossa, either. If Sundin were to be traded, I doubt his list of teams would've been that big. Yup. Im with you on both accounts. Im not sure Anaheim was ever interested. IMO, the teams that are looking to add a big name forward and are willing to pay the price are (from rumors) San Jose, Ottawa, Dallas, Calgary, Montreal and Detroit. Burke says he doesnt add big names at the deadline. Ottawa has limited space for next year. San Jose is looking at a Dman - and needs one more than a forward. And Dallas is supposedly going hard after Brad Richards. That leaves Calgary, Detroit, and Montreal. And there are just as many "Tanguay to Montreal" rumors as there are "Hossa to Montreal" rumors. Calgary is so unsure of cap space next year that theyre already ready to ship of Tanguay - they cant possibly want to add a more expensive guy with Huselius and Langkow up as UFAs. So, IMO, that leaves Montreal and Detroit to battle it out with one another as two teams that CAN and WANT to add a forward to their roster NOT as a rental but as a big part of their future. And if, as Kenny says, Detroit isn't looking to add rentals but "continue his rebuilding process", then not only should Hossa be on Kennys radar, but Jokinen should be as well. And if both guys are up for grabs, with Detroit and Montreal looking like the two main teams wholl pony up for a first line forward thats signed for a few extra years, then I see no reason why Detroit cant snag one of the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Man. What a class act. The unfortunate thing is he is going to get trashed from the fans and possibly teamates and definitly the brass. Good for you Mats. Sorry it is gonna make your last season crap with the Blue and White. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) I really dont think Jokinen's going anywhere. When the other major guy is taken off the market, all the focus is now on Hossa. How does his price not shoot up??? 1. Hossa's pricetag is bigger to begin with. He'll be brought on longterm. Sundin was a rental. 2. Brad Richards hit the market officially just yesterday. Add one, subtract one. Still the same. Edited February 25, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awingsincebirth 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 What do you mean they are not loyal to him. They asked him to waive it and they wont think anything of him not doing so as he is within the rights of his contract. Sundin is loved in Leaf Nation, trust me I live in it. It is not as if Fletcher was shopping him, the deal(s) were offered to Fletcher. Give your head a shake bud. I think it is more of an issue of Sundin being loyal to a team that was never able to put a good enough team around him. And in the last few years, that have surrounded him with downright s***. Sundin gave him all he ever had, and they never gave him enough to work with. For that reason, he has no obligation to be loyal to them. With that said, tonnes of respect for the decisions that he made. He truly is a throwback. He has strong beliefs and he is willing to stick to them until the end. Not a lot of guys in the league who would still do something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 the price for hossa just went up a great deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 the price for hossa just went up a great deal yep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Let me be blunt and say, Sundin's a loser in more ways than one. He's totally screwed over the Leafs, and I can't believe he has no drive in him to win a Championship at this stage in his career. Leaf fans SHOULD be angry, and Sundin SHOULD be booed at the ACC now. Sundin has every right to say no, but the guy should realize how he can help the team by being traded. TWO BIG from me to Sundin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Let me be blunt and say, Sundin's a loser in more ways than one. He's totally screwed over the Leafs, and I can't believe he has no drive in him to win a Championship at this stage in his career. Leaf fans SHOULD be angry, and Sundin SHOULD be booed at the ACC now. Sundin has every right to say no, but the guy should realize how he can help the team by being traded. TWO BIG from me to Sundin. Who screwed over who? Toronto manhandled him and exposed him to all this just to get a few picks for them to totally screw up with two years from now. He's been virtually betrayed by everyone (including the fans). It's funny when all the respect comes from fans of OTHER teams who wanted him just as bad as his fans wanted to trade him. Leafs fans suck. If you needed any more proof, you're crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Just to be clear on this whole "most of the teams who were after Sundin are after Hossa too", those "teams" include the likes of Anaheim and Ottawa, who canNOT get into a bidding war with teams who want to sign Hossa longterm as they do NOT have the cap space next year to do so. I think people need to learn not to believe everything they read. Just because somebody prints out a report that says "Ottawa and Anaheim are intersted in Hossa" doesnt mean its true. This crap has been printed left and right, and yet no one seems to stop and think about the logic of it. Hossa to Ottawa or Anaheim? not if Hossa wants to go longterm. Blake to Anaheim? Yes, cause they need another Dman, and one from their biggest rival no less. :rollseyes: Brad Richards to Detroit? Yes, please, cause we can afford that contract for the next 4 years. Mats Sudin and Hal Gill to Detroit? He didnt even waive his clause.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 What would wings fans do if we were in the same situation and Holland asked Yzerman to waive his NTC? I guarantee you the vast majority of fans would be outraged if Steve decided to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Leafs fans suck. If you needed any more proof, you're crazy. Like when they booed (whoop whoop) Larry Murphy? classless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awingsincebirth 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Let me be blunt and say, Sundin's a loser in more ways than one. He's totally screwed over the Leafs, and I can't believe he has no drive in him to win a Championship at this stage in his career. Leaf fans SHOULD be angry, and Sundin SHOULD be booed at the ACC now. Sundin has every right to say no, but the guy should realize how he can help the team by being traded. TWO BIG from me to Sundin. If Sundin truly refused to waive it for the reasons that he gave, that he doesn't want to win a cup as a rental and that you should be there for the whole season, than cummon! It sure as f*** isn't his responsibility to compromise his beliefs to clean up the mess that JFJ created. He tries his ass off night in and night out, that's enough, that's his JOB. Sure, the Leafs fans have every right to boo every night, but not Sundin. They have a right to boo the ownership and everyone involved in creating this massive trainwreck that they call an organization. If Sundin is greeted to a chorus of boos at the ACC, that will say a lot about the class of the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Thank God. I did not want him anyway. I gotta give him props though for staying with them even though they kinda screwed him over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 My buddies have declared tomorrow Mats Sundin jersey day. Point being, the Leaf fans will still love the man. Take it easy Barrie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
