Another early exit is near

[dallas27 7]

haha....people are fighting over which state has better weather. Wtf has happened here?

75* and sunny is SO going down in the first round

[lets go pavel 2]

In any event, I disagree. We allow the least shots per game, we have the two highest-scoring defensemen in the league, and, before the injuries, we had the three top d-men in +/-.

no, no, no, you've got it all wrong ... the only reason our D looks good is because of the great goaltending behind it ... unless, of course, this turns into a goaltending thread, in which case the only reason the goalies look good is because of the D in front of it ...

[The Secret 304]

...your right we suck, time to take up another sport!

Ken Holland was voted the number 1 GM in the league for a reason. Although he has made some questionable moves IMO (and I have been quite pissed with him at times too), I think he made the right desicions this year. All in all, he does a great job and is well respected around the league.

Think about it, it would be a very hard task to build the team we have with the draft picks we end up with from finishing high in the standings year after year. Alot more homework has to be done not having the luxury of high draft picks... I think we are doing well. I'd only ask that Kenny start to find some good strapping young Canadian drafts soon.

PS. No I am not predjudiced or a racist... I am Canadian!

[Yemack 1]

so have some of you found your senses back yet?

ps wow never realized we had so many smilies before :colorspin:

Edited February 27, 2008 by Yemack

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

Because you're lobbying against the Wings and blasting them.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to be rooting for the Wings and rooting for the Ducks instead. When can we finally see someone criticize the Wings on this site without being told to go root for Florida or Tampa, or something like that? I hate Burke and the Ducks. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to take all the medicine they give you. This isn't Jonestown.

[Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard]

why are there so many nay sayers on this website???? man talk about no faith!!! there's plenty of hockey to be played and people need to RELAX!!!!! i take it not too many of the people on this site were wings fans in the 80's.

faith is just another word for stupidity

[Guest Crymson]

That doesn't mean I'm not going to be rooting for the Wings and rooting for the Ducks instead. When can we finally see someone criticize the Wings on this site without being told to go root for Florida or Tampa, or something like that? I hate Burke and the Ducks. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to take all the medicine they give you. This isn't Jonestown.

What you do isn't criticism. It's utter defeatism and basically an attempt to convince people that we have no chance.

If you call someone Ken Holland's PR guy because he's defending Holland's actions, then you can just as easily be called another team's PR guy for continually speaking about how and why the Wings will inevitably lose. Fair is fair. It's a two-way street.

Edited February 27, 2008 by Crymson

[Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard]

First you say "Use a different forum. Good bye!" Then you have to add this comment? NICE!! Does it make you feel better to insult others? Does it make you feel like a real man? If so then keep them coming buddy cause I enjoy reading your senseless posts. Oh and enjoy living in that that s**thole called Southern California. I hope a Hispanic steals your job at In-N-Out Burger you prick.

Wasn't it fun watching the Wings blow yet another game tonight? What is our record the past 10 games? 1-7-2? Hurray! Now maybe this team can just lay down so Dallas can take the #1 spot.

dude have you ever been to southern california in & out is the one place in so-cal where the employees arent mainly hispanic, but that comment is way off base, visit lady salvia she knows the wings have as good a shot as anyone. but i wish holland could have picked up fedorov, if not hossa.

Edited February 27, 2008 by paveldatsukthenextsavard

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

This site is called "letsgowings.com" not f*** the wings when they are losing. I dont have to try and feel like a real man, because I am. I am a true hockey fan, dips***. If you want to attack me for living in southern California, thats fine. It's seventy-five ******* degrees there right now. Whats your weather like? And for my job at In n Out burger, sorry I do eat there, because it's really good! But for my job, I am retired at the prime age of 32 dickhead! Sold my business last year, that I built by myself. I live in a 4 bedroom, 2 bath house on a golf course.

I am a true hockey fan that travels the country and Canada to watch games. Right now I am in N.C. saw the Canes play lastnight.

So now that you have all of my pertinent info, why dont you go play hide and go f*** yourself!

Nice rebuttal! Probably not worth the typing though since he's sure to be a pimple faced teenager living in his parents' basement.

[kylee 727]

if the Wings make it past the 1st round this year - hopefully this thread will be revived around that time to see how the Wings really tanked it against a much more phyiscal (insert western canadian/california team)

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

What you do isn't criticism. It's utter defeatism and basically an attempt to convince people that we have no chance.

If you call someone Ken Holland's PR guy because he's defending Holland's actions, then you can just as easily be called another team's PR guy for continually speaking about how and why the Wings will inevitably lose. Fair is fair. It's a two-way street.

That's hypocritical. You could say everyone is trying to convince someone of something in their posts. I don't think I was trying to convince anyone any more than you are with your rose-colored glasses. I just write what I feel, and people can take it for whatever it's worth. I just think it's ridiculous when someone's fan loyalty is questioned just because they think this team has a limited chance to win it all.

[Earthhuman 8]

:crybaby:

There is no such thing as a sure thing, and no such thing as no chance. Not in the playoffs. It's a whole different game.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

A true hockey fan would take cold and s***ty over 75* anyday, and just wear a hoody outside. I'm kidding.

But really, I'll take cold and s***ty weather over 75*

I said the same thing until my knee and elbow starting going arthritic on me.....

[therock48880 14]

I think he made the right desicions this year.

Which decision was right? Not pursuing free agents (other than Rafalski who was only signed because Schneider left) last summer so he could save money for the trade deadline? Or not trading for any secondary scoring at the trade deadline, even though he had said that's why he wasn't pursuing free agents?

4 Million Dollars under the cap at the end of the year and SAMUELSON is one of their top 6 forwards!?!?!? WTF???

Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Well, at least Illitch will have an extra 4 million to find a middle reliever since Rodney is now out.

[miller76 463]

Nice rebuttal! Probably not worth the typing though since he's sure to be a pimple faced teenager living in his parents' basement.

No kidding. I didn't realize I was arguing with a 20 year old from Alaf***enbama. I noticed after I wrote my reply.

[therock48880 14]

if the Wings make it past the 1st round this year - hopefully this thread will be revived around that time to see how the Wings really tanked it against a much more phyiscal (insert western canadian/california team)

For the record, I think they'll win in the first round. Anything after that.......................????????? I wouldn't bet on it.

[WingsWingsWings 3]

:crybaby:

There is no such thing as a sure thing, and no such thing as no chance. Not in the playoffs. It's a whole different game.

:thumbup:

No kidding. I didn't realize I was arguing with a 20 year old from Alaf***enbama. I noticed after I wrote my reply.

I agree with part of this, but don't lump everyone from Alabama into one pile. I grew up in both Mississippi and Alabama, and visited Detroit quite often to see relatives and my Uncle instilled me with a very healthy love for all things Red Wings.

Now that I have said this, I am truly disgusted with the amount of fair weather fans on this site. Ken Holland is the GM of a National Hockey League Team. Are you? Do you know all that was said on phone calls between GM's before the trade deadline? Are you Mike Babcock, or Nick Lidstrom, who know who BEST fits with the team in all aspects? You want Sergei Fedorov to play for the Wings? Maybe Holland, Babcock, and Lidstrom, thought that Fedorov wasn't a good pick for this current team. Have you ever stopped to think that the fans of the Detroit Red Wings might NOT be all knowing?

Trust Ken Holland. It is his job. If you think you can do it better, let Mike Ilitch know.

If you want Sergei Fedorov to play for the team you support, then go cheer for the Caps.

(I just want to lay out that Sergei Fedorov is one of my favorite Wings ever. I love him and all he did when he was a Wing.)

[chrisdetroit 189]

Which decision was right? Not pursuing free agents (other than Rafalski who was only signed because Schneider left) last summer so he could save money for the trade deadline? Or not trading for any secondary scoring at the trade deadline, even though he had said that's why he wasn't pursuing free agents?

4 Million Dollars under the cap at the end of the year and SAMUELSON is one of their top 6 forwards!?!?!? WTF???

Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Well, at least Illitch will have an extra 4 million to find a middle reliever since Rodney is now out.

How in the hell did you come to that conclusion. Aneheim is NOT better than they were last year. They are near the bottom of the league in scoring and are fighting to hang on to the #6 spot. Last year they dominated from day 1 and ended up #2. They have only scored 4 more goals than they gave up this year.

They lost Penner, McDonald and a very good backup goaltender in Bryzgalov. In return they picked up injury prone Schneider and injury prone Bertuzzi.

They CAN BE a good team if they are clicking on all cylinders But to argue that they are AS GOOD AS last year is a stretch. To say that they are better is just ignorant.

[Superman54 91]

What confuses me is that our team dominates for 5 months, we get a good player in Stuart which only makes us better, and now because we have a rough febuary, mainly due to Injuries we will not get past the first round?

WTF!!!!!

[IceMunkee 15]

We have the best team in the NHL when we don't have injuries, but we do have INJURIES and we needed to fix them with new players which Holland did not do as promised. That being said I agree with you guys that we needed to add a scorer like a Satan or a Hossa. I have lost faith in Holland and I hope that the door hits him in the ass when he steps down/or gets fired as GM for another 1st round playoff exit. The farthest I see this current team making it this year is the 2nd round thats it. Holland needs to step down as GM.

THIS TEAM has had it's best shot to win the cup in years, and it would of helped to get a top 6 forward onto this team but Holland lied to the fans again. As much as it hates me to say this, we will not be a REAL playoff team come April. We are soft, we get pushed around. The time to add a elite forward was now and we didn't do it so now we will pay the price for it. If Holland thinks McCarty is some sort of Hockey God and Stuart is the 2nd coming of Scott Stevens then kudos to him, but the real REALITY of the situation is very gloomy and grim. It is a sad day to be a Wings fan today. Thanks Kenny Holland, thanks a lot buddy.

I actually feel sorry for the fans in the Detroit area who have to pay out the butt to see the Wings lose another 1st round playoff series.

Wow. much like your avatar says you are a tool. It amazes me sometimes how such an ignorant fan actually gets involved. Holland made promises? The BJ's wanted a roster player for Feds. The crew which it takes more then just Holland to make a trade happen, idiot. The decision was not unanymous (spelling) We made a good pick up. Did you want to give up what Pitt did for Hossa? If you did your a bigger tool then I think you are. Did we need Huet? NO! I don't really know why I am wasting my breath with you. They were told to spend to cap but hey wake up call when aquiring trades it takes more then cap space. It takes porspects, roster players and picks. I know that fans like you are everywhere but I just wish someone would break all your key boards soemtimes.

[IceMunkee 15]

How in the hell did you come to that conclusion. Aneheim is NOT better than they were last year. They are near the bottom of the league in scoring and are fighting to hang on to the #6 spot. Last year they dominated from day 1 and ended up #2. They have only scored 4 more goals than they gave up this year.

They lost Penner, McDonald and a very good backup goaltender in Bryzgalov. In return they picked up injury prone Schneider and injury prone Bertuzzi.

They CAN BE a good team if they are clicking on all cylinders But to argue that they are AS GOOD AS last year is a stretch. To say that they are better is just ignorant.

AH! Knowledge. Thank you. Cheers! Someone listens to ESPN or FSN for 10 minutes in the morning and know everyone is arguably something.

[StevieY9802 6]

What confuses me is that our team dominates for 5 months, we get a good player in Stuart which only makes us better, and now because we have a rough febuary, mainly due to Injuries we will not get past the first round?

WTF!!!!!

Because people want something to complain about. And people think because San Jose and Dallas got better on paper they will be better on the ice. They also tend to think that the Ducks won that series last year because they were bigger and tougher, even though the wings were 45 seconds away from being up 3-2. But that shot that went off of Lidstroms stick past Hasek was a result of them being bigger. They want Holland to make a move at the deadline for any forward no matter what the price is because right now they "know" it will work but if it doesn't then they will complain about him come June. And people also forget that the 1 team out of 30 wins the cup and that if it's not the Wings that getting Marian Hossa and spending to the cap will change that. I used to be pissed when the Wings didn't win every year pre-cap but now the way Holland has managed the cap so well and they are slowly adding young players to the system I would rather see this team stay competitive for a long time and not bet the farm like the Pens did for one run at the cup.

Wow. much like your avatar says you are a tool. It amazes me sometimes how such an ignorant fan actually gets involved. Holland made promises? The BJ's wanted a roster player for Feds. The crew which it takes more then just Holland to make a trade happen, idiot. The decision was not unanymous (spelling) We made a good pick up. Did you want to give up what Pitt did for Hossa? If you did your a bigger tool then I think you are. Did we need Huet? NO! I don't really know why I am wasting my breath with you. They were told to spend to cap but hey wake up call when aquiring trades it takes more then cap space. It takes porspects, roster players and picks. I know that fans like you are everywhere but I just wish someone would break all your key boards soemtimes.

You just said how I feel. People have this idea that because one player went somewhere for one price, ie Fedorov, means that CBJ would have taken the same from the Wings or that the Wings would have given that up. Like I said I want to see the Wings stay good for a while. From what people are saying to get a guy like Hossa they would have had to give up Brandon Smith, Filppula, maybe Franzen and a pick. For one run at the cup? No thanks. And no one knows what Satan or Fedetenko were going to cost so to pretend that you do is dumb. I say go with what you've got and this summer you can get one of those guys in free agency maybe or maybe even someone who fits better and not give up a pick, prospect or roster player. Holland has his eyes not just on this year but next year and beyond too. There's an idea huh?

Edited February 28, 2008 by StevieY9802

[Guest Crymson]

That's hypocritical. You could say everyone is trying to convince someone of something in their posts. I don't think I was trying to convince anyone any more than you are with your rose-colored glasses. I just write what I feel, and people can take it for whatever it's worth. I just think it's ridiculous when someone's fan loyalty is questioned just because they think this team has a limited chance to win it all.

A real fan might have his or her doubts, but would still hope for the best and support the team. You, on the other hand, do your best to convince other people that this team has no chance.

Edited February 28, 2008 by Crymson

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

This thread will definitely have to be revisited in May regardless of what happens.

[The Secret 304]

Which decision was right? Not pursuing free agents (other than Rafalski who was only signed because Schneider left) last summer so he could save money for the trade deadline? Or not trading for any secondary scoring at the trade deadline, even though he had said that's why he wasn't pursuing free agents?

4 Million Dollars under the cap at the end of the year and SAMUELSON is one of their top 6 forwards!?!?!? WTF???

Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Well, at least Illitch will have an extra 4 million to find a middle reliever since Rodney is now out.

The end cost for a possible temporary fix was too great and I agree with not dumping too much to see if it works. Look at what Pitsburgh gave up for Hossa, who is not guarantee'd to stay after this year.

I live in Montreal and got to hear all the angry Canadiens fans when they got rid of Huet and did not get Hossa. Gainey's reasons for not having aquired Hossa was because the asking price was too heavfty for them as well.

Why trade 3 to 4 players that are currently in the roster for 1 possible rental.... and it not like they would be 3 - 4 of the worst player in the current roster leaving.

The current roster was what got us here, and if they can get healthy again, they still have as good a chance as anyone else to finish. If our roster is softer this year, my opinion is because its also more european, and looks to be continuing to become even moreso. I think we need alot more North American player for the type of hockey we all want to watch.

Bottom line is North American hockey is different the European!