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#141 therock48880

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (kylee @ February 27, 2008 - 06:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if the Wings make it past the 1st round this year - hopefully this thread will be revived around that time to see how the Wings really tanked it against a much more phyiscal (insert western canadian/california team)


For the record, I think they'll win in the first round. Anything after that.......................????????? I wouldn't bet on it.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Earthhuman @ February 27, 2008 - 08:15PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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There is no such thing as a sure thing, and no such thing as no chance. Not in the playoffs. It's a whole different game.

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QUOTE (miller76 @ February 27, 2008 - 08:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No kidding. I didn't realize I was arguing with a 20 year old from Alaf***enbama. I noticed after I wrote my reply.

I agree with part of this, but don't lump everyone from Alabama into one pile. I grew up in both Mississippi and Alabama, and visited Detroit quite often to see relatives and my Uncle instilled me with a very healthy love for all things Red Wings.

Now that I have said this, I am truly disgusted with the amount of fair weather fans on this site. Ken Holland is the GM of a National Hockey League Team. Are you? Do you know all that was said on phone calls between GM's before the trade deadline? Are you Mike Babcock, or Nick Lidstrom, who know who BEST fits with the team in all aspects? You want Sergei Fedorov to play for the Wings? Maybe Holland, Babcock, and Lidstrom, thought that Fedorov wasn't a good pick for this current team. Have you ever stopped to think that the fans of the Detroit Red Wings might NOT be all knowing?

Trust Ken Holland. It is his job. If you think you can do it better, let Mike Ilitch know.

If you want Sergei Fedorov to play for the team you support, then go cheer for the Caps.

(I just want to lay out that Sergei Fedorov is one of my favorite Wings ever. I love him and all he did when he was a Wing.)


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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (therock48880 @ February 27, 2008 - 08:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which decision was right? Not pursuing free agents (other than Rafalski who was only signed because Schneider left) last summer so he could save money for the trade deadline? Or not trading for any secondary scoring at the trade deadline, even though he had said that's why he wasn't pursuing free agents?

4 Million Dollars under the cap at the end of the year and SAMUELSON is one of their top 6 forwards!?!?!? WTF???

Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Well, at least Illitch will have an extra 4 million to find a middle reliever since Rodney is now out.


How in the hell did you come to that conclusion. Aneheim is NOT better than they were last year. They are near the bottom of the league in scoring and are fighting to hang on to the #6 spot. Last year they dominated from day 1 and ended up #2. They have only scored 4 more goals than they gave up this year.

They lost Penner, McDonald and a very good backup goaltender in Bryzgalov. In return they picked up injury prone Schneider and injury prone Bertuzzi.

They CAN BE a good team if they are clicking on all cylinders But to argue that they are AS GOOD AS last year is a stretch. To say that they are better is just ignorant.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:36 PM

What confuses me is that our team dominates for 5 months, we get a good player in Stuart which only makes us better, and now because we have a rough febuary, mainly due to Injuries we will not get past the first round?
WTF!!!!!

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Salviaman @ February 26, 2008 - 05:48PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have the best team in the NHL when we don't have injuries, but we do have INJURIES and we needed to fix them with new players which Holland did not do as promised. That being said I agree with you guys that we needed to add a scorer like a Satan or a Hossa. I have lost faith in Holland and I hope that the door hits him in the ass when he steps down/or gets fired as GM for another 1st round playoff exit. The farthest I see this current team making it this year is the 2nd round thats it. Holland needs to step down as GM. dry.gif

THIS TEAM has had it's best shot to win the cup in years, and it would of helped to get a top 6 forward onto this team but Holland lied to the fans again. As much as it hates me to say this, we will not be a REAL playoff team come April. We are soft, we get pushed around. The time to add a elite forward was now and we didn't do it so now we will pay the price for it. If Holland thinks McCarty is some sort of Hockey God and Stuart is the 2nd coming of Scott Stevens then kudos to him, but the real REALITY of the situation is very gloomy and grim. It is a sad day to be a Wings fan today. Thanks Kenny Holland, thanks a lot buddy. ranting.gif

I actually feel sorry for the fans in the Detroit area who have to pay out the butt to see the Wings lose another 1st round playoff series. mad.gif

Wow. much like your avatar says you are a tool. It amazes me sometimes how such an ignorant fan actually gets involved. Holland made promises? The BJ's wanted a roster player for Feds. The crew which it takes more then just Holland to make a trade happen, idiot. The decision was not unanymous (spelling) We made a good pick up. Did you want to give up what Pitt did for Hossa? If you did your a bigger tool then I think you are. Did we need Huet? NO! I don't really know why I am wasting my breath with you. They were told to spend to cap but hey wake up call when aquiring trades it takes more then cap space. It takes porspects, roster players and picks. I know that fans like you are everywhere but I just wish someone would break all your key boards soemtimes.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (chrisdetroit @ February 27, 2008 - 09:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How in the hell did you come to that conclusion. Aneheim is NOT better than they were last year. They are near the bottom of the league in scoring and are fighting to hang on to the #6 spot. Last year they dominated from day 1 and ended up #2. They have only scored 4 more goals than they gave up this year.

They lost Penner, McDonald and a very good backup goaltender in Bryzgalov. In return they picked up injury prone Schneider and injury prone Bertuzzi.

They CAN BE a good team if they are clicking on all cylinders But to argue that they are AS GOOD AS last year is a stretch. To say that they are better is just ignorant.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (Superman54 @ February 27, 2008 - 11:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What confuses me is that our team dominates for 5 months, we get a good player in Stuart which only makes us better, and now because we have a rough febuary, mainly due to Injuries we will not get past the first round?
WTF!!!!!

Because people want something to complain about. And people think because San Jose and Dallas got better on paper they will be better on the ice. They also tend to think that the Ducks won that series last year because they were bigger and tougher, even though the wings were 45 seconds away from being up 3-2. But that shot that went off of Lidstroms stick past Hasek was a result of them being bigger. They want Holland to make a move at the deadline for any forward no matter what the price is because right now they "know" it will work but if it doesn't then they will complain about him come June. And people also forget that the 1 team out of 30 wins the cup and that if it's not the Wings that getting Marian Hossa and spending to the cap will change that. I used to be pissed when the Wings didn't win every year pre-cap but now the way Holland has managed the cap so well and they are slowly adding young players to the system I would rather see this team stay competitive for a long time and not bet the farm like the Pens did for one run at the cup.

QUOTE (IceMunkee @ February 28, 2008 - 12:00AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow. much like your avatar says you are a tool. It amazes me sometimes how such an ignorant fan actually gets involved. Holland made promises? The BJ's wanted a roster player for Feds. The crew which it takes more then just Holland to make a trade happen, idiot. The decision was not unanymous (spelling) We made a good pick up. Did you want to give up what Pitt did for Hossa? If you did your a bigger tool then I think you are. Did we need Huet? NO! I don't really know why I am wasting my breath with you. They were told to spend to cap but hey wake up call when aquiring trades it takes more then cap space. It takes porspects, roster players and picks. I know that fans like you are everywhere but I just wish someone would break all your key boards soemtimes.

You just said how I feel. People have this idea that because one player went somewhere for one price, ie Fedorov, means that CBJ would have taken the same from the Wings or that the Wings would have given that up. Like I said I want to see the Wings stay good for a while. From what people are saying to get a guy like Hossa they would have had to give up Brandon Smith, Filppula, maybe Franzen and a pick. For one run at the cup? No thanks. And no one knows what Satan or Fedetenko were going to cost so to pretend that you do is dumb. I say go with what you've got and this summer you can get one of those guys in free agency maybe or maybe even someone who fits better and not give up a pick, prospect or roster player. Holland has his eyes not just on this year but next year and beyond too. There's an idea huh?

Edited by StevieY9802, 28 February 2008 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2008 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (GMRwings1983 @ February 27, 2008 - 04:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hypocritical. You could say everyone is trying to convince someone of something in their posts. I don't think I was trying to convince anyone any more than you are with your rose-colored glasses. I just write what I feel, and people can take it for whatever it's worth. I just think it's ridiculous when someone's fan loyalty is questioned just because they think this team has a limited chance to win it all.


A real fan might have his or her doubts, but would still hope for the best and support the team. You, on the other hand, do your best to convince other people that this team has no chance.

Edited by Crymson, 28 February 2008 - 01:57 PM.


#149 Never_Retire_Steve

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 04:39 PM

This thread will definitely have to be revisited in May regardless of what happens.


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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (therock48880 @ February 27, 2008 - 08:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which decision was right? Not pursuing free agents (other than Rafalski who was only signed because Schneider left) last summer so he could save money for the trade deadline? Or not trading for any secondary scoring at the trade deadline, even though he had said that's why he wasn't pursuing free agents?

4 Million Dollars under the cap at the end of the year and SAMUELSON is one of their top 6 forwards!?!?!? WTF???

Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Well, at least Illitch will have an extra 4 million to find a middle reliever since Rodney is now out.


The end cost for a possible temporary fix was too great and I agree with not dumping too much to see if it works. Look at what Pitsburgh gave up for Hossa, who is not guarantee'd to stay after this year.

I live in Montreal and got to hear all the angry Canadiens fans when they got rid of Huet and did not get Hossa. Gainey's reasons for not having aquired Hossa was because the asking price was too heavfty for them as well.

Why trade 3 to 4 players that are currently in the roster for 1 possible rental.... and it not like they would be 3 - 4 of the worst player in the current roster leaving.

The current roster was what got us here, and if they can get healthy again, they still have as good a chance as anyone else to finish. If our roster is softer this year, my opinion is because its also more european, and looks to be continuing to become even moreso. I think we need alot more North American player for the type of hockey we all want to watch.

Bottom line is North American hockey is different the European!


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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:20 PM

We'll get back to the Conference Finals atleast.
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:43 PM

how about the final-finals.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:57 PM

I'm still fairly confident with this roster headed into the playoffs. I'll definitely take the move Holland made over mortgaging the future for a rental like Pittsburgh did.

Sure I'm disappointed that we didn't get some scoring help, but there is a reason this team has done so well when healthy. And I don't get why a lot of people think Hudler was such great trade bait, if barely anybody on this site wants to keep him, why would some other team want him?

IF the Wings are healthy we have a great shot.
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (cirov19 @ February 28, 2008 - 06:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how about the final-finals.

We almost made it last year. This year we have more playoff experience.
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE (Superman54 @ February 27, 2008 - 10:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What confuses me is that our team dominates for 5 months, we get a good player in Stuart which only makes us better, and now because we have a rough febuary, mainly due to Injuries we will not get past the first round?
WTF!!!!!


It's pathetic isn't it? Last years Wings team was great, but I think this years roster is even better. They are all around better this time around, especially physically. The injuries the Wings have been dealt with is downright ridiculous. Having 4 outta your top 6 D out, and missing the best player on the second line, is gonna do some damage to the team. The second they all start getting healthy everything will be fine.

Those doubting are a bunch of bandwagoners, but the second the Wings start winning again, you better believe they'll be singing a different tune. Sad, but true.

BTW, I'm not saying everyone should be a bunch of homers. *i'm not even like that* it's just horrible when some are calling out the team and saying we are going to lose in the first round when the playoffs haven't even started, and the second they win they act as if they were behind the team the entire time.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:12 PM

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A real fan might have his or her doubts, but would still hope for the best and support the team. You, on the other hand, do your best to convince other people that this team has no chance.


You've lost your mind and you don't know anything about me. I watch every game and root my ass off every night I watch. I don't see where I stated that I don't hope for the best and that I don't support the team. You and the other homers here are acting like watchdogs accussing fans of not rooting for the Wings just because we're unhappy at what went down at the deadline.
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:14 PM

Well how about taking the cup this year thumbup.gif
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 06:35 PM

I'm going to assume we won't have as many injurys when the playoffs start. (knock on wood)

So, if I were to predict how we are going to do in the playoffs, I would look at a span of games where we had only 1 or 2 injurys, and try to get an idea of how we will do. After doing this I can see that we should do fairly well in the playoffs. smile.gif

This is only my method, what is yours thread starter? Look at the span of games where our top 4 dman are out?



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Posted 28 February 2008 - 07:21 PM

We're going 16-0 in the playoffs and we're going to win every game by 10 touchdowns! tongue.gif

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (therock48880 @ February 27, 2008 - 08:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anaheim is arguably bigger, stronger, and better than last year. Detroit is smaller and softer. If you think the wings are banged up right now, wait until they play a seven game series against the Ducks, Sharks or Flames. Plus, with Z's back situation, it certainly would be nice to have another forward that can bury the puck in the net.

Hmmm we beat the Flames last year and they are about the same. We beat the Sharks and now Brian Campbell is going to suddenly have them kicking our a$$? We damn near almost beat the Ducks - and imo they have lost players since last year. OK they picked up Schneids, but lost MacDonald and Penner.

We played long series vs these teams last year - we banged them up just as much. Let's not chalk up any playoff losses until they actually happen....
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