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#21 cirov19

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Jeremy88 @ March 1, 2008 - 02:38PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last time I checked, Crosby is not the Detroit Red Wings captain...



Haha, for my whole last post this was the only thing going through my mind. Lidstrom would kick Crosby's ass. Yzerman... would kick Crosby's ass.

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:48 PM

Before I opened this thread up I was definitely going to say that yes he is, but considering how much we are missing Lidstrom right now, to me there is no doubt in my mind that he is the best player in the game.


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Posted 01 March 2008 - 03:40 PM

Chris Chelios is the best player in the world.

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 03:52 PM

Malkin has outperformed them both this year.

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:07 PM

By the way those who are saying that both Malkin and Ovechkin have outperformed Crosby this year must have been watching a different NHL season because you only started hearing lots about these guys AFTER Crosby got injured...... especially Malkin.


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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:43 PM

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Well TSN is wrong .... again.

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:53 PM

malkin has proved hes better than crosby, i just dont like crosby...even though i like him more than gretzky but i really hate gretzky

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:54 PM

What does Ovechkin have to prove to show he is better!
Rookie of the year?
Playing with a team that sucks, discluding this year?
score 60+ goals?
I think he is doing and has done just that


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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (irishtemper14+25 @ March 1, 2008 - 05:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
malkin has proved hes better than crosby, i just dont like crosby...even though i like him more than gretzky but i really hate gretzky

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (jagr68 @ March 1, 2008 - 02:34PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure you'll take a D man that plays 30 minutes a night over a forward that plays 20.

But come on, any forward would love to play 30 minutes a night. But teams tend to have four forward lines, and three sets of D (typically). Some teams have a extra D or extra forward that goes out every so often.

Could a forward play 30 minutes a game? Sure, most of them are in great shape, some better than others. Playing forward you skate a lot more than D. But a guy like Ovechkin, Crosby, Kovalchuk, etc, these guys have the endurance to skate 30 minutes a game. You just can't really give forwards 30 minutes of ice, because you're going to have one line that will hardly get out there.

The fact of the matter is defensemen play thirty minutes a night. Forwards don't. It doesn't matter if they could play thirty minutes a night; they don't.

Lidstrom is as good defensively as Crosby is offensively. Lidstrom's offense blows Crosby's defense out of the water.


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Posted 01 March 2008 - 05:51 PM

Dont get me wrong, I really admire how Malkin has stepped up, however saying he has outperformed Crosby this year... um, yeah, because Sid is hurt. Crosby was ahead of all until he got hurt. Hell, he has been out for 20+ games and he is still in top 20ish in scoring I think.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 12:32 AM

How can anyone possibly sit here and say that Malkin has proved to be better than Crosby?


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Posted 02 March 2008 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE (Never_Retire_Steve @ March 2, 2008 - 12:32AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How can anyone possibly sit here and say that Malkin has proved to be better than Crosby?


i meant to say proven that he is better outside of sids shadow

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 01:53 AM

Weird...there has never been a thread like this before.


I am so tired of Crosby vs. Ovechkin threads. sleeping.gif
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (ARice89 @ March 1, 2008 - 05:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The fact of the matter is defensemen play thirty minutes a night. Forwards don't. It doesn't matter if they could play thirty minutes a night; they don't.

Lidstrom is as good defensively as Crosby is offensively. Lidstrom's offense blows Crosby's defense out of the water.





Wow. Pretty much the smartest thing I've read on this forum since I found this site... sums it all up perfectly.

And no, this is not a Crosby vs. Ovechkin thread... its a Crosby vs everyone else thread. Completely different.

Edited by cirov19, 02 March 2008 - 02:15 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2008 - 02:16 AM

QUOTE (Superman54 @ March 1, 2008 - 04:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What does Ovechkin have to prove to show he is better!

Getting his team to the playoffs would be a good start.
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 09:38 AM

Crosby isnt the best player in the world, hes not the best play maker, Id give that to thorton (I hate the guy, but i cant deny it), hes not the best goal scorer, you have AO and Kovalchuk who are much better, hes a s***ty defensive forward, now he is much better then average in the first 2, but, hes not #99 or 19, and personally if I had to pick a forward to start a team around it would either be Zetterberg or Thorton.
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 11:13 AM

it seems everyone keeps saying that the only reason people talk about Ovechkin and Malkin now is that because Crosby got hurt. However, to assume that Crosby would have continued to be good is also like saying if zetterburg played every game this year and didn't have back problems he would have had more than 75 points. There are a lof of ifs. Or saying well if Cleary wouldn't have gotten hurt he would have scored over 40 goals. You never know. I think to crown Crosby the best in the world is a little premature...

For Ovechkin and Malking to get more respect, they would not only have to drag their teams into playoffs they would also have to marry Canadians girls and get a Canadian citizenship, denounce Russia and get rid of their Russian accents:)

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 11:47 AM

With others tearing it up while he's injured, it's unfair to say he's the best. I will say this though, I'm a guy who watched alot of hockey, I focus in on certain players. When Washington plays, I focus closely on Ovechkin. When Atlanta plays, I focus on Kovalchuk, when Tampa plays, I focus in on Lecavalier. With all that said, the skillset that Crosby has is REMARKABLE.

Crosby is probably the best at maintaining the puck along the boards. He might be the best at creating offensive opportunities while starting in the defensive zone. He's for sure a top 5 stickhandler in the league, and as the media kind of overhypes... He DOES in fact see the ice exceptionally well. He has so many assets, and watching him play, he literally does something, whether it's creating opportunities or cashing in on points, he literally does at least something every shift.

Focusing in on all of those assets, I'd consider him the best player in the world. Right now, you can't say he's the best, but in the grand scheme of things, he's the best.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Reilly @ March 1, 2008 - 11:56AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, he's the best player in the world and if I had to pick one player to start a franchise with, it would be him.

Call me crazy, and most of you probably will, but I'll take Luongo before AO or Crosby if I start a franchise. Goaltending like that will take you further than AO or Crosby could if you start a franchise.


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