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Dare excepted! Not really though. I'd like to point out that from Drury's or the puck's point of view there is less to shot at than from the cameraman's point of view.

With that said there is still alot of net visible, esp. 5 hole. However, being a butterfly goalie, it's more of a tease than a scoreable area. (No I'm not against the butterfly BTW)

I agree with the camera angle thing but the point is that there is still alot of net to shoot at. The thing with the butterfly goalie is when he goes down to close the 5 hole then there is going to be alot more room up top and from the looks of the picture there is already lots of room there. I still play hockey and play very competativly and if I had this much room on some of my breakaways I would have scored a few more goals this year. :siren:

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I dare someone to tell me that he's to big and that there is nowhere to shot after you look at this picture.

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He might be using equipment thats a little big but he makes saves cause he's that good at his angles and quick with his reflexes. How big a diffenence does it make anyways. Might help him make 2 or 4 saves a game that he might make anyways.

He's too big. There's nowhere to shoot. I'm not questioning he is talented.

Shoulders are too big. Pads should fold back to his thighs/legs.

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I agree with the camera angle thing but the point is that there is still alot of net to shoot at. The thing with the butterfly goalie is when he goes down to close the 5 hole then there is going to be alot more room up top and from the looks of the picture there is already lots of room there. I still play hockey and play very competativly and if I had this much room on some of my breakaways I would have scored a few more goals this year. :siren:

True, true.

Something I'm curious to see and would really help in this debate is pictures from the puck's point of view. ie pictures of a keeper, any keeper, with the camera between the circles and the goalie at the top of the crease. Take two pictures. One with the goalie in the same position as jiggy is above. The other in the butterfly. I'm not sure which side it would aide but should provide a lot of ammo one way or the other.

Not so serious side: Looking at alot of recent goalie pictures I've noticed that the shape of the pads in the shoulders reminds me of either a middle linebacker or an 80s womens suitcoat when powershoulders were the thing.

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Pad size is mostly about style of play...not trying to get the extra advantage. I could wear WAY bigger pads right now if I wanted too. But It would prolly make me play worse. My style of play is what Im used to....and Im used to about size 32+2 leg pads. Any bigger or smaller and I would have to change how I move, set up, and get into position. As seen in the picture above Giggys pads arnt huge....they are normal.

Like I said before its his compact stance that makes him look big...and his white pads have something to do with it to, same with legace. They are trying to make themselfs look big to the shooter...which is good...and apparently they do it so good you guys have to freak out about pad size. You people who say his pads are SO big are just clueless and no nothing about the goalie position.

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I dare someone to tell me that he's to big and that there is nowhere to shot after you look at this picture.

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He might be using equipment thats a little big but he makes saves cause he's that good at his angles and quick with his reflexes. How big a diffenence does it make anyways. Might help him make 2 or 4 saves a game that he might make anyways.

As mentioned previously, the angle from the puck's pov is slightly different from the camera's and as such, anything above the shoulders is much more difficult to get to than it appears. Five-holes are 90% tease shots and goalies make it look that way intentionally, because the natural reflex to do when someone lets a shot go (regardless of where he aims it) is to fall into the butterfly and close up the 5-hole.

Also theres a psychological teaser to having larger pads. Even if theres only a couple extra inches here and there (which, by the way, gets exponentially worse the further out the goalie is from the net), its a noticeable difference to the shooter, which influences how he makes his shot. I have noticed players have been shooting wide of the net more than in the past and I believe its because goalies are appearing much larger than 20-30 years ago. Yes, this is something that players can overcome individually, but it definitely doesn't help the flow of the game, or its appeal to fans when shots are missing the net completely when a couple decades ago they may have gone in.

Ultimately everyone wants whats best for the game, and low scoring games where traps and lane-clogging are as efficient as they are, aren't whats best for the game, at least in my opinion. People get excited over eventful games, and the climax of a game is when a goal occurs. Now I'm not saying "well lets market this to our advantage and make it so each team scores 30 times a game". That would undermine the value of an nhl goal, but its gotten so dry and boring in the past decade that something needs to be done.

I remember 10 years ago when a five on three would occur; it would be such an exciting event not only because they were so rare, but also because it was almost a freebie for whoever was on the powerplay. Now a days five on threes are almost the equivalent to yesterday's five on four, in terms of success rates.

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Ok...NHL does not need more scoring and anyone who says they do is dead wrong.

This seems more a statement than an argument. Further, the fact that opinions are inherently neither 'wrong' nor 'right' (this being entirely subjective across all individuals) renders this particular point of yours null and void.

Try again, and discuss this time.

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This seems more a statement than an argument. Further, the fact that opinions are inherently neither 'wrong' nor 'right' (this being entirely subjective across all individuals) renders this particular point of yours null and void.

Try again, and discuss this time.

Try again, I posted my point on that many pages ago. But for people who are to lazy to look back and just jump in on an argument ill guess ill have to post some of it again.

What kind of games do you want...When Ovechkin scored his 50th goal that game was 10-2. Is this the kind of scoring you want? Thats not hockey. Now that game was just complete ownage but making the pads smaller more and more games would be like this. Stop trying to make the sport something its not. You want to watch a game with points go be *** and watch basketball.

And Ive said it tons of times but no one is debating it. If Giggy had all black pads...there would be nobody crying about "thinking" his pads look big. He is trying to make himself look big and is doing a good job at it because you people want to completely change the game of the goalie because he is so good at making himself look big. His white pads, his stance, his angles all make him look bigger than what he is. Im debating with people who have no idea about the topic of the goaltender. So its like arguing with a child almost. Do your research...Go out and play goalie...then youll get it.

Pad size is about personal style of play so no point to bring up the Broduer has smaller pads thing. I play goalie and I could legally beable to use way bigger pads if I wanted....but that would just make me worse, cause Im used to my size of pads...same with Giggy and same with Broduer....its not to get the biggest pads possible so you can stop all the pucks because really...that wouldnt work in the nhl. You have to be skilled and play your style of game. Its nothing about bigger pads making the saves for him. Some of you are so clueless.

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Ultimately everyone wants whats best for the game, and low scoring games where traps and lane-clogging are as efficient as they are, aren't whats best for the game, at least in my opinion. People get excited over eventful games, and the climax of a game is when a goal occurs.

There was alot of things in your post I could argue but I wanted to just take this to make a very important point.

As you say...the climax of the game is when a goal occurs. That is so true. But its only the climax cause you can see how hard the players are working for a goal. Goals in the NHL wouldnt be as thrilling if players didnt have to work for thier goals and could just cross the blue line and wrist it by the goalie with ease (Like they did in old time hockey).

Its more exciting to see the players doing everything they can to score and then getting the goal. NHL does not need more scoring. Ovechkin has got 52 goals and many other players are going to break 50. Scoring is fine, goalies are fine, the game is fine. Dont fix what isnt broken.

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Scoring is fine, goalies are fine, the game is fine. Dont fix what isnt broken.

There are a lot of people and arguably television ratings that say scoring and goalies aren't fine, and something is broken.

I also said in my post that the nhl shouldn't become like the nba in which scoring is all too common and takes all the value out of a goal, but something should be done to increase the excitement (hence fans and ratings), and because goal scoring is down from the late 80's/early 90's (you know, when the nhl was the "upcoming sport" and was considered more popular than basketball and baseball), we should probably get the game back to what it was like then ie increase scoring a bit.

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There are a lot of people and arguably television ratings that say scoring and goalies aren't fine, and something is broken.

I also said in my post that the nhl shouldn't become like the nba in which scoring is all too common and takes all the value out of a goal, but something should be done to increase the excitement (hence fans and ratings), and because goal scoring is down from the late 80's/early 90's (you know, when the nhl was the "upcoming sport" and was considered more popular than basketball and baseball), we should probably get the game back to what it was like then ie increase scoring a bit.

The problem with ratings is Gary Bettman..not the size of goalie pads. The only thing that needs fixed in the NHL is Bettman.

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The problem with ratings is Gary Bettman..not the size of goalie pads. The only thing that needs fixed in the NHL is Bettman.

So tell me. What were the NHL's average national TV ratings before Bettman?

What's that, you say?

There WAS no national contract before Bettman?

Well then I see your point. If not for Bettman, the NHL wouldn't have a national contract or ratings to complain about.

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The problem with ratings is Gary Bettman..not the size of goalie pads. The only thing that needs fixed in the NHL is Bettman.

You do realize that while Bettman has some pull in how things are done, nothing would happen if the BOG didn't want it to.

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