DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) i'm not sure if this has ever been brought up before, i haven't seen it, but in anycase, i'm on the capitals forums also, and we came up with an interesting discussion about what players would make it into the hall of fame if they retired after this season. you could aslo add to this by naming players such as crosby and ovechkin, players you think would make it in, say 15 years from now but that would make our lists quite long as well so for now i'll keep it to just the original topic. here's how i see it: (keep in mind it's called "hockey hall of fame" and not "nhl hall of fame") a couple people on the other forums forget that. i hope i don't miss someone that i just blanked on. Locks fedorov brodeur shanahan selanne roenick sakic hasek lidstrom sundin jagr modano chelios good shot forsberg recchi kariya belfour s. neidermeyer mogilny (even though he's not active i know, although he should be on a team) outside chance (although slim) tkachuk roberts lindros kolzig kovalev osgood r. blake cujo nolan weight brinda'mour koivu zubov naslund pronger Edited March 21, 2008 by DenJ91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 lindros is already retired, and although i don't like him, pronger has more than an "outside chance." i also believe kolzig's chances are every bit as good as ozzie's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 outside chance tkachuk roberts lindros kolzig r. blake cujo nolan weight brinda'mour koivu zubov naslund pronger Prongers chances should be so far out that he'd need to be a hippy to get anywhere near the Hall of fame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 lindros is already retired, and although i don't like him, pronger has more than an "outside chance." i also believe kolzig's chances are every bit as good as ozzie's. well there's nothing wrong with having an outside shot, that's a pretty good career even at that if you don't get in. i'm not all that sold on kolzig's chances, hense why i put him in that category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertmondi 19 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 Chris Osgood will not make the Hall of Fame. Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 Chris Osgood will not make the Hall of Fame. Yikes. i think you will come across many people on this site that disagree. he's on the fence to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12Newf 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 scott niedermayer is an absolute lock so lets just be serious. As of 2007, Niedermayer is the only player to take home every major North American and International Championship in his career: he has won the Memorial Cup, World Junior Hockey Championship gold, World Hockey Championship gold, Olympic gold, the Stanley Cup and the World Cup. and he also has like 4 stanley cups so i think its safe to say he'll make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 scott niedermayer is an absolute lock so lets just be serious. As of 2007, Niedermayer is the only player to take home every major North American and International Championship in his career: he has won the Memorial Cup, World Junior Hockey Championship gold, World Hockey Championship gold, Olympic gold, the Stanley Cup and the World Cup. and he also has like 4 stanley cups so i think its safe to say he'll make it. i think falling in the "good shot" category is good enough but you make good points, i guess i could see him being a lock. i was hoping to see more lists, rather than just commenting on mine (or both). you guys can have it totally different, doesn't bother me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zombiewing 3 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) just my .002 loonie: i am of the opinion that the hall is on the verge of becoming lax in letting too many players get inducted. the hall of fame should be comprised of players who were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries-not just frequent all stars. worthy players should be, at their peak, blinding in their talent, and beyond compare. i love sundin, jr, and respect selanne,- those players, in my mind, were superior, often excellent. But they are not deserving of being in the rarefied air of historical greatness. they lacked that certain something that makes real greatness. they were not once in a lifetime players, legends. like i said, just my opinion Edited March 21, 2008 by zombiewing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 Chris Osgood will not make the Hall of Fame. Yikes. I'm going to say he will . Ozzie is such an underated player mostly by his own fan's who don't appreciate how good he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
csdan 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 I think Sakic would be a lock, since I didn't see him on your list anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 just my .002 loonie: i am of the opinion that the hall is on the verge of becoming lax in letting too many players get inducted. the hall of fame should be comprised of players who were heads and shoulders above their contemporaries-not just frequent all stars. worthy players should be, at their peak, blinding in their talent, and beyond compare. i love sundin, jr, and respect selanne,- those players, in my mind, were superior, often excellent. But they are not deserving of being in the rarefied air of historical greatness. they lacked that certain something that makes real greatness. they were not once in a lifetime players. that said, i do think that scott stevens should get the nod. verbeek put up atmospheric numbers, but should not get in. like i said, just my opinion i'm confused..your calling me a loonie?? as for the 3 players you named, especially sundin should get in. he's mr consistency, always leads the leafs in stats, never misses games, got them into the playoffs on his back many times, sure he doesn't have a cup or mvp but that's not neccesarily required. he does however have a gold medal though. roenick has impressive stats and to go along with it is known as one of the best american born players ever so that has to mean something. selanne is a pure goal scorer, his 76 goal season, multiple 50 goal seasons if i remember correctly. one the cup with anaheim last season. these 3 players and the players i mentioned aren't just regular all stars, they ARE head and shoulders above 98% of others throughout their career so i think if only 2% of players make it into the H.O.F. it's not too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12Newf 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 sundin has put up astounding points in his career as a centreman without even one mediocre winger. the guy is a powerhouse on his own and is one of the most valuable players in the league. the guy truly bleeds blue and he plays with a passion ive only ever seen a few other guys play with. he refuses to leave toronto because he is not interested in winning a cup anywhere else and he is also the highest scoring player in maple leafs history which is one hell of an accomplishment. sundin will be in first ballot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 i think falling in the "good shot" category is good enough but you make good points, i guess i could see him being a lock. i was hoping to see more lists, rather than just commenting on mine (or both). you guys can have it totally different, doesn't bother me. He's a lock. As 12Newf pointed out, he's more than got the resume to be admitted, and will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 I think Sakic would be a lock, since I didn't see him on your list anywhere. yes thank you, he was written on the piece of paper i made of players for the thread and forgot to add him. just an error. i edited him in there now. yes absolute lock for sakic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zombiewing 3 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) i'm confused..your calling me a loonie?? as for the 3 players you named, especially sundin should get in. he's mr consistency, always leads the leafs in stats, never misses games, got them into the playoffs on his back many times, sure he doesn't have a cup or mvp but that's not neccesarily required. he does however have a gold medal though. roenick has impressive stats and to go along with it is known as one of the best american born players ever so that has to mean something. selanne is a pure goal scorer, his 76 goal season, multiple 50 goal seasons if i remember correctly. one the cup with anaheim last season. these 3 players and the players i mentioned aren't just regular all stars, they ARE head and shoulders above 98% of others throughout their career so i think if only 2% of players make it into the H.O.F. it's not too much. lol...no, man, the loonie is canadien currency...i am not a name caller. i was trying to give a twist to the "two cents" figure of speech. i can see maybe see selanne, upon further review.maybe. but i don't think that jr's nationality should be a factor in getting a nod. sundin is consistent, and one of the classiest players ever, but he lacks that jaw dropping, electric quality that gives one a ticket to the hall. i just do not think that he is "one of the best ever to play the game". and i think that is what one should ask about a prospective inductee, "was he among the best ever?" this is all subjective. just my 1/2 euro Edited March 21, 2008 by zombiewing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 Here's my list. Discuss. Locks brodeur selanne roenick sakic hasek lidstrom sundin jagr modano s. neidermeyer good shot pronger forsberg recchi kariya chelios r.blake koivu shanahan fedorov outside chance tkachuk roberts lindros kolzig cujo nolan weight brinda'mour belfour osgood zubov naslund pronger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 Assuming everyone's played their last game, these guys would get my vote. I didn't look up any stats or awards or anything, so hopefully it's not too out there. F Sergei Fedorov Peter Forsberg Jarome Iginla Jaromir Jagr Paul Kariya Alex Kovalev Mike Modano Markus Naslund Jeremy Roenick Joe Sakic Teemu Selanne Brendan Shanahan Mats Sundin Joe Thornton D Rob Blake Chris Chelios Nick Lidstrom Scott Niedermayer Chris Pronger Sergei Zubov G Martin Brodeur Dominik Hasek Curtis Joseph Chris Osgood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 i think you will come across many people on this site that disagree. he's on the fence to me. The people on this site are blind homers if they think that Ozzie should be in the Hall of Fame. Every goalie in the Hall of Fame could steal games and playoffs series for their teams when the chips were down. Yes, all those other goalies played with legendary players, but even when those players weren't playing well, those goalies stepped it up and won for their team. How many times has Osgood stolen playoff games or playoff series for the Wings, Islanders, and Blues? None. To me that's why he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, and another reason is that no one who isn't a homer Wings fan thinks otherwise. Don't you think it's ironic that only Wings fans think Ozzie should be a Hall of Famer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 scott niedermayer is an absolute lock so lets just be serious. As of 2007, Niedermayer is the only player to take home every major North American and International Championship in his career: he has won the Memorial Cup, World Junior Hockey Championship gold, World Hockey Championship gold, Olympic gold, the Stanley Cup and the World Cup. and he also has like 4 stanley cups so i think its safe to say he'll make it. The number of trophies is irrelevant. Kirk Maltby has 3 Stanley cups, Jeremy Roenick has none. Obviously Maltby is not HOF material and Roenick is. I agree Neids is a shoo in but it has nothing to do with what you mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 The people on this site are blind homers if they think that Ozzie should be in the Hall of Fame. Every goalie in the Hall of Fame could steal games and playoffs series for their teams when the chips were down. Yes, all those other goalies played with legendary players, but even when those players weren't playing well, those goalies stepped it up and won for their team. How many times has Osgood stolen playoff games or playoff series for the Wings, Islanders, and Blues? None. To me that's why he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, and another reason is that no one who isn't a homer Wings fan thinks otherwise. Don't you think it's ironic that only Wings fans think Ozzie should be a Hall of Famer? ya know what i think it is, you just like to argue with me! haha. nah but i see your point and i def agree about 90% of people who think ozzie should be in the hall of fame are wings fans. i still think trying to be unbiased that he has the numbers and criteria to support hall of fame mention, although i would probably downgrade him to "outside chance" category. as for the guy who put naslund in as a lock, i have to disagree, i'm a naslund fan but he didn't really blossum until at least a few years into his career. and obviously i'm gonna be biased so i think fedorov is a lock, someone had him in the "good shot" category, but roenick ahead of him. i have to disagree, and i'm sure this topic will have alot of fedorov theories, but let's be serious, he has MORE than enough credentials to be a lock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 i think you will come across many people on this site that disagree. he's on the fence to me. I like Osgood but I don't think that he is HOF material. I thought that maybe based on the number of games won that he might have an outside shot. So I went and looked up who was on the list and if they were in the HOF. Active Players - Brodeur, Belfore, Joseph, Hasek, Osgood, Sean Burke IN - Roy, Sawchuk, Plante, Esposito, Glen Hall, Fuhr, Gump Worsley, Billy Smith, Turk Broda OUT - Vernon, Vanbiesbrouck, Andy Moog, Tom Barasso, Rogie Vachon, Mike Richter This is the top 22 in all time wins. Of these 22 - 6 are still active. Of the 15 retired, 9 are in and 6 are out. I just don't see Ozzie in the company of the guys that are in. Consider also that most of these active guys on this list are going to retire soon and many of them are shoo ins - Brodeur, Belfore, Joseph and Hasek. I don't think that Ozzie even has an outside chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 ya know what i think it is, you just like to argue with me! haha. nah but i see your point and i def agree about 90% of people who think ozzie should be in the hall of fame are wings fans. i still think trying to be unbiased that he has the numbers and criteria to support hall of fame mention, although i would probably downgrade him to "outside chance" category. as for the guy who put naslund in as a lock, i have to disagree, i'm a naslund fan but he didn't really blossum until at least a few years into his career. and obviously i'm gonna be biased so i think fedorov is a lock, someone had him in the "good shot" category, but roenick ahead of him. i have to disagree, and i'm sure this topic will have alot of fedorov theories, but let's be serious, he has MORE than enough credentials to be a lock. I don't ever remember arguing with you, but I'll take your word for it since it happens quite a bit, especially since I get grumpy going through cold turkey before the playoffs begin. I agree with you about Feds being better than Roenick, but I'll go a step further to say that Roenick shouldn't even be in the HOF. Also, whoever suggested that Naslund and Kovalev should be in the HOF is stretching it way too far. If we're debating Roenick, Selanne, and Fedorov, then there's no reason to even debate over Kovalev or Naslund. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2008 I don't ever remember arguing with you, but I'll take your word for it since it happens quite a bit, especially since I get grumpy going through cold turkey before the playoffs begin. I agree with you about Feds being better than Roenick, but I'll go a step further to say that Roenick shouldn't even be in the HOF. Also, whoever suggested that Naslund and Kovalev should be in the HOF is stretching it way too far. If we're debating Roenick, Selanne, and Fedorov, then there's no reason to even debate over Kovalev or Naslund. well i did say that kovalev had a shot at it and i put naslund in the outside chance list. i don't neccesarily think either will get in but that's why i don't have them in the lock category. i think someone else post that naslund was a lock and i disagreed. as for the arguining with me part, i think it's happened a couple times, most likely in a fedorov topic, after all i can't seem to go one topic without mentioning him. lol. it's all good anyway, i was messin' around with ya. i do recall one time you getting my back though too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
