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#81 VM1138

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (WINGS TILL DEATH @ April 17, 2008 - 11:30AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Take him please. I want someone realiable. I always have. When you see your team get beat and you know you're the better. You can talk.



No goalie's are reliable anymore, except for maybe Brodeur, Kiprusoff and Luongo. Any hockey fan knows that each year brings a bevy of "the next best goalie" who only disappear the next year. So getting a goalie is an EXTREMELY risky endeavor. Ozzie is solid, and when Hasek retires should take the number one spot UNLESS we can get a proven, consistent goalie like Kipper or Luongo. Anyone else, be they Price, Huet, etc., is extremely risky and will probably disappear.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE (VM1138 @ April 17, 2008 - 11:33AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No goalie's are reliable anymore, except for maybe Brodeur, Kiprusoff and Luongo. Any hockey fan knows that each year brings a bevy of "the next best goalie" who only disappear the next year. So getting a goalie is an EXTREMELY risky endeavor. Ozzie is solid, and when Hasek retires should take the number one spot UNLESS we can get a proven, consistent goalie like Kipper or Luongo. Anyone else, be they Price, Huet, etc., is extremely risky and will probably disappear.

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Just one chance is all i ever wanted...just one time i'd like to win the game...from now on i'll take the chance if i can have it...just one just one

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Memphisfire @ April 17, 2008 - 12:24AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So evidently nashville doesnt suck or is not the worst team since yall are bashing us and we just took back our 2 games, yes i will admit you have better players but all the whining and moaning on this site is horrible, what ever happened to sticking by your team (Hasek), the guy played great all season then loses a couple and now he is washed up. If Detroit fans hate him so much why dont you trade him to nashville, im sure will be willing to take him.


Have you even watched any of the games? He's been bad the entire series thus far. And hes progressively gotten worse.

BTW, I love how you call us out for not standing by our guy. It wasn't too long ago ya'll were about to lose your team because ya'll were getting under 10,000 fans per game.
But wait! Ya'll made the playoffs! Now ya'll make sure to come to the rink. Talk about fair weather fans.

Edited by Hank, 17 April 2008 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2008 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Hank @ April 17, 2008 - 12:13PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you even watched any of the games? He's been bad the entire series thus far. And hes progressively gotten worse.

BTW, I love how you call us out for not standing by our guy. It wasn't too long ago ya'll were about to lose your team because ya'll were getting under 10,000 fans per game.
But wait! Ya'll made the playoffs! Now ya'll make sure to come to the rink. Talk about fair weather fans.

laugh.gif That's a great point Hank!
I am not giving up on the Wings, or Hasek or anyone, I DO think it will take 7 games now though. Last night was not all Hasek's fault, if anyone watched the last 8 minutes of that game, it was clear to me the Wings almost, flat-out panicked. They were sloppy, undisciplined, and utterly un-coordinated. At times it looked like they could have 10 guys on the ice and STILL not scored.
The only reason I view this series as frustrating is because I have to admit over the years I've become a bit "jaded" when it comes to the Wings in the playoffs. The Wings have made the playoffs every year since 1991. In those 18 years, only 6 times (95,96,97,98,02 & 07) have the Wings made it past the 2nd round. That's only 35% of the time you can count the RedWings even making it to the WCF's at the LEAST. I love Wings hockey, and will always root for them to do well, ALWAYS. But when we struggle in the 1st round, year in and year out, I do not bemoan ANY Wings fan for complaining, griping, or even getting down right P.O.'d. 'Tis the nature of Wings fan to partially lose their mind this time of year!

Edited by Winged Scooter, 17 April 2008 - 11:39 AM.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (OsGOD @ April 17, 2008 - 08:52AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought the defense is what f***ed dom up last night? Same team for and against when ozzie was put in yet he made more saves on less shots...

Every goalie is PRONE to bad/weak goals its absurd to say other wise

People were creaming over Toskola just a few short months ago... and then look at what he did?!?!?!

Technically yes, realistically know. The Wings played with more desperation after they went down 3-2 and spent more time in Nashville's end. Wings outshot the Preds badly after the goalie change. I didn't see all of Ozzie's time in net, but what I did see didn't suggest he stood on his head repelling wave after wave of Nashville scoring chances. A number of his "shots" were little more than dump-ins.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE (calfan @ April 17, 2008 - 02:45PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Technically yes, realistically know. The Wings played with more desperation after they went down 3-2 and spent more time in Nashville's end. Wings outshot the Preds badly after the goalie change. I didn't see all of Ozzie's time in net, but what I did see didn't suggest he stood on his head repelling wave after wave of Nashville scoring chances. A number of his "shots" were little more than dump-ins.

Orly... you mean the same dump ins that kinda snuck by Dom?



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Posted 17 April 2008 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (VM1138 @ April 17, 2008 - 11:33AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No goalie's are reliable anymore, except for maybe Brodeur, Kiprusoff and Luongo. Any hockey fan knows that each year brings a bevy of "the next best goalie" who only disappear the next year. So getting a goalie is an EXTREMELY risky endeavor. Ozzie is solid, and when Hasek retires should take the number one spot UNLESS we can get a proven, consistent goalie like Kipper or Luongo. Anyone else, be they Price, Huet, etc., is extremely risky and will probably disappear.


Good points. But I'd still rather take a chance on Huet who's been great the past two seasons over a 100 year old goalie who's groin could snap at any second.
Especially if Huet could have been had for a 2nd rounder. That's no gamble at all.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Hank @ April 17, 2008 - 03:40PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good points. But I'd still rather take a chance on Huet who's been great the past two seasons over a 100 year old goalie who's groin could snap at any second.
Especially if Huet could have been had for a 2nd rounder. That's no gamble at all.

Is that true? Huet could have been had for a 2nd round pick????
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Copenhagen848 @ April 17, 2008 - 12:31AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No he hasn't, far from it.

I've wanted Ozzie to be the no. 1 guy all season. When Hasek has a bad game, it's REALLY bad. Ozzie, like every goalie, will let in a soft goal every now and then. Hasek however does it often and and they usually result in huge, momentum changing goals.

Thats exactly how I feel and im not bashing Hasek because he has made some enormous save in this series to keep us in there. I feel that Ozzie will be more consistent while he is in the net.

Wings at the Joe with there "back against the wall", i feel a strong performance

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE (WINGS TILL DEATH @ April 17, 2008 - 10:30AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Take him please. I want someone realizable. I've always said that. Top tier tenders don't give up undeflected point shots within eleven seconds and thirty second spans. When you see your team get beat and you know you're the better. You can talk.




So if your the better team and get beat by a lesser team doesnt that mean you dont want it as bad as we do, even if you got rid of hasek, the next game when osgood let a soft one in you would be bashing him and looking to get rid of him too??

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Winged Scooter @ April 17, 2008 - 03:42PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that true? Huet could have been had for a 2nd round pick????


That's what he was dealt for. And to a conference rival. The price could have been cheaper for a cross Conference team.

Who know's if Monteal would have gotten or asked for the same thing from Detroit? But seeing as how cheap he was had for, who's to say Holland couldn't have made a deal?
My guess is that he didn't want to upset the apple cart with Ozzie and Hasek in the same barn.

Holland is fiercly loyal. That's a great quality but sometimes it can be a fault of his.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Hank @ April 17, 2008 - 11:13AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you even watched any of the games? He's been bad the entire series thus far. And hes progressively gotten worse.

BTW, I love how you call us out for not standing by our guy. It wasn't too long ago ya'll were about to lose your team because ya'll were getting under 10,000 fans per game.
But wait! Ya'll made the playoffs! Now ya'll make sure to come to the rink. Talk about fair weather fans.



yea i have watched Hasek play well and not so good but it just seems as soon as things dont go Detroits way everyone falls apart and starts whining and blaming everyone instead of stepping up and wanting it more than the other team, Yea we had a fire sale and almost lost our team (granted were in the south and hockey just isnt a sport most people care about down here) but we stepped up and now after a fire sale and almost losing the team find our way to playoffs and tied 2-2. Ill be sure and be at the rink which in my opinion for a team that was about to go a more energetic, fun place to watch a hockey game than JLA, and yes i have been to the Joe in my Mustard jersey so i know the atmosphere in both

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Memphisfire @ April 17, 2008 - 04:07PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So if your the better team and get beat by a lesser team doesnt that mean you dont want it as bad as we do, even if you got rid of hasek, the next game when osgood let a soft one in you would be bashing him and looking to get rid of him too??


I can almost guarentee that Ozzie wouldn't have let those in.
And letting in bad goals has nothing to do with who wants it more.

In '99 the Wings faced Colorado and beat them handily to go up 2 games to 0. But then Bill Ranford performed his best Tim Chevaldae impersonation letting in goals from everywhere on the ice.
Did that mean Detroit wasn't doing their best to win those games? Absolutely not. But it deflates an entire team when they play sound defensively only to have floater or soft goals go in seconds apart.

I would also put money down that if we had any of the other 15 playoff goalies, including Ozzie in the first 4 games, we'd have swept this series already.
Nashville has outplayed us a total of 30 minutes over the past 120 and yet they have 2 wins for it.
In game 3 your crowd resembled a funeral for almost the entire game. If not for Hasek's disappearing act, everyone in Nashville would be whistling dixie at the nearest fishin' hole by now.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Hank @ April 17, 2008 - 03:18PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can almost guarentee that Ozzie wouldn't have let those in.
And letting in bad goals has nothing to do with who wants it more.

In '99 the Wings faced Colorado and beat them handily to go up 2 games to 0. But then Bill Ranford performed his best Tim Chevaldae impersonation letting in goals from everywhere on the ice.
Did that mean Detroit wasn't doing their best to win those games? Absolutely not. But it deflates an entire team when they play sound defensively only to have floater or soft goals go in seconds apart.

I would also put money down that if we had any of the other 15 playoff goalies, including Ozzie in the first 4 games, we'd have swept this series already.
Nashville has outplayed us a total of 30 minutes over the past 120 and yet they have 2 wins for it.
In game 3 your crowd resembled a funeral for almost the entire game. If not for Hasek's disappearing act, everyone in Nashville would be whistling dixie at the nearest fishin' hole by now.




ok everyone has their own opinion but i was at game 3 and we were on our feet when we were down when we were tied and when we won starting 2nd period and throughout the rest of the game.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:37 PM

False. When the Preds were down you could hear a pin drop in that place. It'll be the same way in game 6 after they get eliminated.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:42 PM

Will You Be Surprised If We Lose?

Yes! According to the stats we are the best team in the NHL. We have the best record, and we have the best team. I expect the Red Wings to win the Stanley Cup this year. It will be a long and grueling playoff season but we will come out on top again. Keep the faith!!

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:45 PM

If they continue to play like they have in games 3 and 4 then no, not at all.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 04:19 PM

damn hell ass (@&# &#*(@&$@(*_ @()&@#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ill be surprised!


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Posted 17 April 2008 - 04:28 PM

surprised?

i agree with the "if we play like we did in games 3/4 then f*** NO" response.

we need the sense of urgency that we had in the third period last night ALL GAME LONG. not just when we're already screwed being down multiple goals with 20 to play.

BUT, if we put in a good honest effort and even play at 80% of the way were capable of, then yes i would be SHOCKED.

but that won't happen. ozzie and zetts step up BIG in game 5 and we rout em 5-1.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 04:40 PM

yes, I would be surprised. They will step up in front of Ozzie and win the next two.

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