wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Before the season I started a similar thread and got some homer flak for putting Zetterberg in the top 10 but now what? Seems like him and Datsyuk have definitely arrived and should be considered. Compiling a list like this is extremely difficult. Players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg arent as highly touted as Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin, but as we've seen, I can safely say they belong in the same class, maybe even higher. 1. Sidney Crosby, PIT 2. Nick Lidstrom, DET 3. Alexander Ovechkin, WAS 4. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 5. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 6. Jarome Iginla, CAL 7. Vincent Lacavalier, TB 8. Dany Heatley, OTT 9. Joe Thornton, SJ 10. Evgeni Malkin, PIT Extremley biased, I know, but after watching Hank and Pavs in the playoffs, I think they are every bit as good as any of these players. I didnt put goalies in the list because I think it's just too hard to compare them with players. They deserve a list of their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Lidstrom is #1 for sure. Crosby is not better than Zetterberg or Datsyuk at the moment. Malkin is not even top10 now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Real1 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) 10. Evgeni Malkin, PIT If you come out and say that you are "tired", you deserved to be benched. No way he is in the Top 10! Edited May 27, 2008 by Real1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Lidstrom Zetterberg Datsyuk Ovechkin Crosby ... I stopped caring after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poxer 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Didn't we already have a top 10 list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,789 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Didn't we already have a top 10 list? Yeah, but that was a whole week ago, before we found out that Crosby and Malkin are overra... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poxer 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 Yeah, but that was a whole week ago, before we found out that Crosby and Malkin are overra... :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Lidstrom Ovechkin Zetterberg Crosby Datsyuk, Iginla, Alfredsson, Malkin, Heatly, Thorton Would probably make up the latter 6. Datsyuk would take either #5 or #6, behind only Iginla I think. I might be leaving some other team's D players. Perhaps Phaneuf, Chara or Pronger (as much as I hate to include that punk) would be in the top 10. Edited May 27, 2008 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 i have to respectfully disagree with your list i would go with AO Lids Z Dats . . . . i dont care bout rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 1) Lidstrom 2) Ovechkin 3) Zetterberg 4) Datsyuk 5) Crosby 6) Malkin And after that, it doesn't matter. Pick any four guys from Brodeur, Thornton, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Lecavalier, Sundin, Alfredsson, Hossa, Kovalev, Heatley, Spezza, Luongo, Osgood, Chara, Phaneuf, Getzlaf, Sundin, Morrow, or anyone else you want to call a top ten player. There are three clearly divided tiers at this point; There's the top tier, which includes Lidstrom, and then there is the second tier, which includes Ovechkin through Malkin. After that, there's everyone else who gets called an 'elite' player, plus a couple guys who don't, competing for the last four spots on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 1. Lids 2. Dats/Z/Ovechkin 5. Crosbeaner And after that, it doesn't matter. Pick any four guys from Brodeur, Thornton, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Lecavalier, Sundin, Alfredsson, Hossa, Kovalev, Heatley, Spezza, Luongo, Osgood, Chara, Phaneuf, Getzlaf, Sundin, Morrow, or anyone else you want to call a top ten player. That. Except throw Malkin somewhere in that general list, because I'm not sure I'd give him a solid rating above all those others at the moment. Lids, Ovie, Dats, and Zets are all top notch, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 1. Lids 2. Dats/Z/Ovechkin 5. Crosbeaner And after that, it doesn't matter. Pick any four guys from Brodeur, Thornton, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Lecavalier, Sundin, Alfredsson, Hossa, Kovalev, Heatley, Spezza, Luongo, Osgood, Chara, Phaneuf, Getzlaf, Sundin, Morrow, or anyone else you want to call a top ten player. That. Except throw Malkin somewhere in that general list, because I'm not sure I'd give him a solid rating above all those others at the moment. Lids, Ovie, Dats, and Zets are all top notch, though. And Crosby, though I daresay MT is having a bad influence on him and he won't stay up on that list unless he starts getting better leadership, no matter how much talent he has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Y 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 Almost everyone has only ONE D-men in their top ten list. Do you guys really think they are less good because they don't appear on the stats sheets as often? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 Crosby def. shouldn't be number 1, Malkin and him are proving to be some of the most overhyped players. If they continue to play this poorly I would say most of the top 10 list should be filled with Western Conference players, because you have to be much more well rounded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MalkinsJock 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 No offense to the general hockey community or anyone on this board but I hope Datsyuk has a big game, while at the same time Zetterberg somehow remains silent. I think Datsyuk pulling closer in points is all thats needed for the general consensus to change. While a small group of people, after this playoff, now consider him the most complete player in the league, others still don't see it because Zetterberg has a couple more points. People are also employing the "What have you done for me lately" policy. Hank has been hot over the last few games but Pavel has been by far the most consistent player on this team from game one to today. Hank was pretty silent in the Nashville series. This is just my reaction after seeing the "Top ten players" thread. It seems that everyone puts Zetterberg a notch above but doesn't offer any real criteria as to why. Four points(really three if Holmstrom's goal in game one counted, or two if you count the Datsyuk non-goal in the Dallas series). Its amazing how four simple points can put such a division between two players. And in all honesty, if Datsyuk weren't continuely nominated for the Byng, I think the gap would be closer. Its not like Zetterberg is more physical, he doesn't lay more hits, he just takes more penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyerdog 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 Before the season I started a similar thread and got some homer flak for putting Zetterberg in the top 10 but now what? Seems like him and Datsyuk have definitely arrived and should be considered. Compiling a list like this is extremely difficult. Players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg arent as highly touted as Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin, but as we've seen, I can safely say they belong in the same class, maybe even higher. 1. Sidney Crosby, PIT 2. Nick Lidstrom, DET 3. Alexander Ovechkin, WAS 4. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 5. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 6. Jarome Iginla, CAL 7. Vincent Lacavalier, TB 8. Dany Heatley, OTT 9. Joe Thornton, SJ 10. Evgeni Malkin, PIT Extremley biased, I know, but after watching Hank and Pavs in the playoffs, I think they are every bit as good as any of these players. I didnt put goalies in the list because I think it's just too hard to compare them with players. They deserve a list of their own. I will though 1. Marty Brodeur (NJ) 2. Alex Ovechkin (WAS) 3. Nik Lindstrom (DET) 4. Sidney Crosby (PIT) 5. Vinny Lecavalier (TB) 6. Dion Phaneuf (CGY) 7. Joe Sakic (COL) 8. Jaromir Jagr (NYR) 9. Danny Heatley(OTT) 10.Mike Richards (PHI) ok,ok, I'll admit that last pick was bias... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 I will though 1. Marty Brodeur (NJ) 2. Alex Ovechkin (WAS) 3. Nik Lindstrom (DET) 4. Sidney Crosby (PIT) 5. Vinny Lecavalier (TB) 6. Dion Phaneuf (CGY) 7. Joe Sakic (COL) 8. Jaromir Jagr (NYR) 9. Danny Heatley(OTT) 10.Mike Richards (PHI) ok,ok, I'll admit that last pick was bias... You clearly have not watched a single game of Western Conference hockey this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 I will though 1. Marty Brodeur (NJ) 2. Alex Ovechkin (WAS) 3. Nik Lindstrom (DET) 4. Sidney Crosby (PIT) 5. Vinny Lecavalier (TB) 6. Dion Phaneuf (CGY) 7. Joe Sakic (COL) 8. Jaromir Jagr (NYR) 9. Danny Heatley(OTT) 10.Mike Richards (PHI) ok,ok, I'll admit that last pick was bias... That is one messed up list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sidney_who? 3 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) lmao, right-o. I'm not understanding how Crosby and Malkin have made it on to as many lists as they have. To be in a list as big as the Top 10 in the NHL I would think that you'd have to be able to adjust your game to beat your opponent in any situation, and these 2 players can't get anything going against the Wings, they've hit a wall and they've hit it hard...a KRON-WALL ZING! Edited May 28, 2008 by sidney_who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 The top ten list based on performance in the 2007-2008 NHL regular season and 2007-2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs: 1. Henrik Zetterberg 2. Pavel Datsyuk 3. Nick Lidstrom 4. Sidney Crosby 5. Chris Osgood 6. Nik Kronwall 7. Brendan Morrow 8. Evgeni Malkin 9. Joe Thornton 10. Mike Richards I tried to factor in not only points and TOI but also the net impact each player had on their team's success in both the regular season and the playoffs taking into account several statistical categories such as pp and pk time, plus/minus, GWG/GTG, faceoff % (where applicable), and leadership. I would have rated Malkin higher had he not "disappeared" in the last 5 playoff games. Osgood's presence here will undoubtedly raise eyebrows but this list is based on THIS season and THIS season's playoffs only; not their entire career or who has been the best in the last 5 years. Since playoffs matter the most in the NHL a player's ranking in my list was based on 35% their regular season contributions and 65% their playoff performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 Crosby should never be over Ovechkin.....I mean serouisly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 28, 2008 People are also employing the "What have you done for me lately" policy. Hank has been hot over the last few games but Pavel has been by far the most consistent player on this team from game one to today. Hank was pretty silent in the Nashville series. Pav had 5 points, Z had 4 in the first round. Not comparing the two, just stating the facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyerdog 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2008 You clearly have not watched a single game of Western Conference hockey this season. no I'll admit, I have not..so I have to "pick" from what I HAVE seen..I guess my thinking was this: If I were going to start a franchise..which player would I build a team around? as such Brodeur would have to be #1..of course there are plenty of guys that deserve to be on a top ten list..BUt it would for me start with Brodeur..especially after things like this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted May 29, 2008 no I'll admit, I have not..so I have to "pick" from what I HAVE seen..I guess my thinking was this: If I were going to start a franchise..which player would I build a team around? as such Brodeur would have to be #1..of course there are plenty of guys that deserve to be on a top ten list..BUt it would for me start with Brodeur..especially after things like this: I was referring more to things like saying Joe Sakic was the top forward in the conference, when he's no longer top three among forwards in his division. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyerdog 0 Report post Posted May 29, 2008 I was referring more to things like saying Joe Sakic was the top forward in the conference, when he's no longer top three among forwards in his division. on a related note, have you guys seen this website? mynhl draft I know hindsight is 20/20 but look at some past drafts and you have to ask yourself: what the F were they thinking???? example: 1991: Draft#:1 Eric Lindros Ht/Wt: Position:C Drafted From:Oshawa Generals (OHL) Draft#:2 Pat Falloon Ht/Wt: Position:RW Drafted From:Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Draft#:3 Scott Niedermayer Ht/Wt: Position:D Drafted From:Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Draft#:4 Scott Lachance Ht/Wt: Position:D Drafted From:Boston University (NCAA) Draft#:5 Aaron Ward Ht/Wt: Position:D Drafted From:U. of Michigan (NCAA) Draft#:6 Peter Forsberg Position:C Drafted From:Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik you think Vancouver would like a MUlligan on that draft? or in 1990: the Flames swapped picks with NJ at #11 to pick Trevor Kidd...so the Devils at #20 selected....Marty Brodeur!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites