DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I love how both the video and the article say something like; "I hope the Penguins win the cup and do it against the Wings" Haha, their whining is great. And what over a Trade deadline rental player.. That's all that deals are at the deadline. I mean hell Stuart was almost one of those as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 HAHA!! how bitter is gene collier? you expect that kind of childish response from fans on message boards but not from a journalist. does he really believe that the only difference between the wings and the pens was a couple of bounces?!? how can anyone argue that the wings were not the better team in that series and did not deserve to win the cup? and since that series detroit have locked up their key players whilst malone, roberts, hall and ruutu have all left pittsburgh. so how can he possibly argue with hossa's view that the wings present a greater shot at the cup than the pens?!? especially when you consider that hossa was the pens best player in that series so if he swaps teams then the difference between the 2 is even greater. another key factor that mr collier neglects to mention is the 2 coaches - i would say that the vast majority of players would much rather play for babcock than therrien. collier really is an ignorant, sour and deluded fool. The wings outscored the Pens 17-10 in 6 games. That's 1.67 goals/game for a team that came into the finals as supposedly an offensive juggeranaut. There were 4 games that were decided by 1 goal. We won 2 of them and they won 2 of them (1 in triple overtime) and oh yea, their were 2 shutouts by Detroit 4-0 and 3-0. If this idiot thinks that this was a close series, he is deluding himself. The Pens got their asses kicked and then many of their free agents bailed out - Malone, Roberts, Conklin and Hossa. Most importantly, they were seriously outcoached. Even with Hossa, they were not going to beat the Wings. I doubt if they would make the finals and without Hossa, we won't be seeing Pittsburgh play for the cup next year.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 They could afford him. Look for some of the older Wings to start retiring- Draper probably, McCarty, Cheli, perhaps Maltby. Plenty of room, even if the cap doesn't go up again. Draper and Maltby are both signed through the next couple seasons. Mac and Cheli aren't going to free up enough room to resign Hossa, Zetterberg and Franzen. Unless Holland can talk those three into taking pay cuts, Hossa will be gone after this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaCkaveli20 275 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 The beauty of all this is not so much that we signed MH18, but who Pittsburgh lost to get him lmmfao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I like Flip but I wouldn't be all that disappointed if someone signed him to an offer sheet and we got at least a first and third rounder. Why in the f*** would you want a first and 3rd rounder instead on Flip. With Flip you know that you are getting a very talented young play that has shown great potential both offensively and defensively. With 2 draft picks, it's unlikely that you will get somebody with more potential that Flip and with draft picks, the best that you can get is potential. I think that Flip has an agreement with Kenny that he will not accept any offer sheets. He ALSO wants to stay in Detroit and play alongside Hossa or Dats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donfishmaster 62 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 ahhhh....oh the joy....to drink the tears of unimaginable suffering from the Pens faces...ahhhhhh!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Their tears are so salty and delicious! It's like we've just gotten them fired and then slept with their wife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I can understand them being disappointed at not getting him re-signed, though that was always pretty much a long shot for the Pens. And a little added salt that he went to the Wings. Still, the guy played 32 games in a Penguins sweater. He was a rental. It's not like we hit Mario Lemieux over the head with a sack full of doorknobs and threw him in the trunk of our car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I can understand them being disappointed at not getting him re-signed, though that was always pretty much a long shot for the Pens. And a little added salt that he went to the Wings. Still, the guy played 32 games in a Penguins sweater. He was a rental. It's not like we hit Mario Lemieux over the head with a sack full of doorknobs and threw him in the trunk of our car. Name one person in this world that actually has a sack full of doorknobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Still, the guy played 32 games in a Penguins sweater. He was a rental. It's not like we hit Mario Lemieux over the head with a sack full of doorknobs and threw him in the trunk of our car. hahaha that made me laugh really hard :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 the guy in the video was f***in stupid....."After all Pittsburgh was only 2 games away from the cup" i mean they only lost their sturdy backup, best playoff performer, grizzled veteran, power forward, and whoever else they lost hahah they wont be playin for a cup for a while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dantroit 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I absolutely love that video. The ignorance of that guy is ridiculous. My favorite is when is talking about the perfect ending is for Pittsburgh to win the cup, "...against a team he thought was better than Pittsburgh". Yeah, about that...last time I checked I am pretty sure Detroit proved they were a better team than Pittsburgh. But I guess I should go check the trophy rack to see who has the cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Still, the guy played 32 games in a Penguins sweater. He was a rental. It's not like we hit Mario Lemieux over the head with a sack full of doorknobs and threw him in the trunk of our car. A good idea though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I love how Bob Pompeani, and other people from Pittsburgh, are stating that Hossa is one injury from losing a lot of money. Well duh, anyone who play profession sports are one injury away from losing a lot of money, even pretty boy Sindy. That seems to be their biggest sour grapes point thus far, despite the fact that Hossa's been relatively injury free over his NHL career and that his knee surgery was back in Juniors, I believe. So what they're basically saying is that by signing with the Wings, he's injury-prone. But if he signed with the Pens, he would be just fine and/or dandy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 You guys haven't heard the half of it (unless someone posted this). Pittsburgh fans were calling for Hossa to be murdered. They want someone on their team to intentionally break his neck. Freaking lunatics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpankEmRed 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 That seems to be their biggest sour grapes point thus far, despite the fact that Hossa's been relatively injury free over his NHL career and that his knee surgery was back in Juniors, I believe. So what they're basically saying is that by signing with the Wings, he's injury-prone. But if he signed with the Pens, he would be just fine and/or dandy. I think he was making the point that if Hossa signed a longer term contract and he got hurt he'd still be guaranteed the money... I'm sure the thought process for Pitt is this: Pitt: But we have Jesus Crosby and... here's a lot of money! Hossa: Erm, no thanks. Pitt: He must be out of his mind not to want to spend his life with Jesus Crosby. Hoss: Ovechkin's better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I think he was making the point that if Hossa signed a longer term contract and he got hurt he'd still be guaranteed the money... Ah, that makes sense as well. It's true that Hossa was taking a huge gamble by signing a one-year deal with the Wings. If he... A) Has a bad season B) Goes down with an injury ...his market value undoubtedly drops for long-term deals. That said, it's clear that Hossa wants to win the Cup and he believes that we're his best shot - not Pittsburgh. I'm sure the thought process for Pitt is this: Pitt: But we have Jesus Crosby and... here's a lot of money! Hossa: Erm, no thanks. Pitt: He must be out of his mind not to want to spend his life with Jesus Crosby. Hoss: Ovechkin's better... Undoubtedly. Seriously, the Pens act like everyone in the league has to want to play on the Pens with Crosby, otherwise they're out of their friggin' mind. It's much like the Toronto syndrome where everyone allegedly wants to play on the Leafs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 HAHA!! how bitter is gene collier? you expect that kind of childish response from fans on message boards but not from a journalist. does he really believe that the only difference between the wings and the pens was a couple of bounces?!? how can anyone argue that the wings were not the better team in that series and did not deserve to win the cup? and since that series detroit have locked up their key players whilst malone, roberts, hall and ruutu have all left pittsburgh. so how can he possibly argue with hossa's view that the wings present a greater shot at the cup than the pens?!? especially when you consider that hossa was the pens best player in that series so if he swaps teams then the difference between the 2 is even greater. another key factor that mr collier neglects to mention is the 2 coaches - i would say that the vast majority of players would much rather play for babcock than therrien. collier really is an ignorant, sour and deluded fool. ...uh, don't forget to add Conklin and...oh yeah, Hossa to that list! ...Pittsburgh will NOT make it to the finals next year. Expect Jersey to give them fits as well as a revamped Tampa Bay... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) ...ok, bottom line. Yo have to look at ALL the other teams tht offered him money. I don't know the exact teams (I am sure all 30 teams had a pitch) but of all the serious ones, the one that everyone is talking about is Edmonton. Now, sure it is VERY VERY hard to repeat as champion, especially in the NHL, and Hossa had to know that even signing in Detroit, his odds were low to win because of the "repeat factor." Yet, like I said look at the other teams that gave him a serious contract offer, of those, which team had the best chance of winning, none. Pittsburgh is dismantled, I don't care what the pens fans say, you cannot gid rid of your role players and heart guys and expect to return to glory. Pittsburgh will rue the day they let Malone go. Anyhow, of all the teams giving him an offer, Detroit (even with the "repeat factor") has the best shot at winnig a championship in 2009, period. So he chose here. Even if they don't, he is gonna score 50 or more goals playing with Zetterberg or Datsyuk, he is gonna get 100 points, he may even lead the team in scoring and possibly challenge for the Rocket Richard trophy (barring injury.) In turn, this is only going to INCREASE his value for 2009 UFA season. If we are lucky enough to repeat and he puts a Stanley Cup on his resume, he will get top dollar from anywhere he may sign (which could be back in Pit.) Unless he ops to sign a long term, less wage deal here AFTER we sign Zetterberg and Franzen. But, something tells me he's here for a year and gone, oh well, I'll take an ALL season long rental, it's better than getting him in March and losing him in July, right Pit? :rotflmao: ...also wanted to include that in the world of Hockey, players know players, there was something about Pittsburgh that Hossa didn't like, of course he's gonna say all the right PR stuff, but what was it about Pittsburgh and or more specifically, playing with Zetterberg/Datsyuk over playing with Crosby/Malkin? Was it the coaching staff? We all know how Therian is, blame the refs for his own ineptness. Was is the fact mentioned above, that Pitt got rid too many players? Couldn't be the goaltender situation right? Isn't Chris Osgood the worst goalie to ever win the Cup? He is according to most analysts. Of course him leading the NHL regular season and playoffs in GAA proves that! Maybe is was the defense, you cannot name a team in the world that has a better top 4 than Detroit. Dunno, maybe, like the article says, it's the nightlife that appealed to him, the Gambling, the boozing it up, the grand prix, the boat races or maybe it's the boat show at the Novi Expo (or whatever it's called now.) Anyhow, something, we'll never know, was the deciding factor. Maybe, just maybe, Hank and Pav are REALLY that much better than Sid and Geno. Afterall, Hossa seen all 4 close up, he seen the professionalism of Hank and Pav compared to the whining and crying of Crosby and the fact that Malkin "was just too tired." Hossa was the ONLY player not complaining about the refs, as a matter of fact, when asked of the "non calls" he asnwered "...if they are impeding our forwards, then they are doing it legally..." Maybe he didn't want to spend the next 7 years with crying babies, maybe he wants to see how it is to play for and with porfessionals who can admit when they are wrong and don't blame their ineptness on something other than themseves... ...maybe, just maybe, Detroit is better place to play than Pittsburgh... Edited July 3, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David 2 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 At least the guy in the video knows the Western Conference dominates the East. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blood On The Ice 15 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Name one person in this world that actually has a sack full of doorknobs. My stepfather. He saves EVERYTHING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misty Belle 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 How will we feel about him when he leaves next year? both management and Hossa have said they'd like to do a long term deal, it's just that Holland doesn't know what the cap will be in one year and there are some key players who'll be up for a new contract. that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I think he was making the point that if Hossa signed a longer term contract and he got hurt he'd still be guaranteed the money... I'm sure the thought process for Pitt is this: Pitt: But we have Jesus Crosby and... here's a lot of money! Hossa: Erm, no thanks. Pitt: He must be out of his mind not to want to spend his life with Jesus Crosby. Hoss: Ovechkin's better... hahaha i could go for that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#18 the _Hoss_ 2 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I'm sure the thought process for Pitt is this: Pitt: But we have Jesus Crosby and... here's a lot of money! Hossa: Erm, no thanks. Pitt: He must be out of his mind not to want to spend his life with Jesus Crosby. Hoss: Ovechkin's better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Why in the f*** would you want a first and 3rd rounder instead on Flip. With Flip you know that you are getting a very talented young play that has shown great potential both offensively and defensively. With 2 draft picks, it's unlikely that you will get somebody with more potential that Flip and with draft picks, the best that you can get is potential. I didn't say that I WANTED the picks but if some team offered a sheet on him I'd rather see Detroit take the picks than overpaying him given the limited amount of cap space they now have. I think that Flip has an agreement with Kenny that he will not accept any offer sheets. Did your crystal ball tell you so? Lets hope he re-signs quickly and avoids any chance of an offer sheet.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
