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#41 revmo10

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:03 PM

I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Hossa's agent lost out on a lot of money! He just gets to sign another contract next year! Rich Winter will get his money. Hossa will get his. The contract is for one season ONLY because Holland needs to make sure he can sign Z by July 1, 2009. Once Z is locked up long term, then Holland will look at what we can afford to pay Hossa beyond the up coming season. If it works out and we get to keep Hossa, then great. If we don't get to keep him, then we got to have an elite winger on the team while we could afford to. This is all because Ken Holland was amazing at signing Z to his current contract. I don't think Rich Winter is worried about it one bit. He probably thinks it is better for himself long term, since the Red Wings make players look better than they are sometimes! If Hossa wins a cup with the wings, they both make more the year after. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I'm fairly certain that an agent gets his cut yearly just like a player does, so Winter is really only missing out on his cut of $1.5 mil or so, if Hossa would've signed for $9 mil with Edmonton. A happy client stays with their agent....

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (nkuehnl @ July 6, 2008 - 10:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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It's coming. I don't think Hossa will be here longer than a year unless we lose some other significant players. This is a one year shot for Hossa. He's not going to pass up a $70m+ deal twice in a row.

Hopefully he wins the Cup before fading to obscurity in Edmonton, though.

Yeah no one here expects him to stay past this year, we just hope he will. If somehow they can make it happen great but I'm not expecting him here in 09-10 unless like Lidstrom retires. I mean him and Z would both need to take a lot less than what they could get on the open market to stay and Z shouldn't get anything less than what Pavel is getting imo.

QUOTE (revmo10 @ July 7, 2008 - 01:03PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Hossa's agent lost out on a lot of money! He just gets to sign another contract next year! Rich Winter will get his money. Hossa will get his. The contract is for one season ONLY because Holland needs to make sure he can sign Z by July 1, 2009. Once Z is locked up long term, then Holland will look at what we can afford to pay Hossa beyond the up coming season. If it works out and we get to keep Hossa, then great. If we don't get to keep him, then we got to have an elite winger on the team while we could afford to. This is all because Ken Holland was amazing at signing Z to his current contract. I don't think Rich Winter is worried about it one bit. He probably thinks it is better for himself long term, since the Red Wings make players look better than they are sometimes! If Hossa wins a cup with the wings, they both make more the year after. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I'm fairly certain that an agent gets his cut yearly just like a player does, so Winter is really only missing out on his cut of $1.5 mil or so, if Hossa would've signed for $9 mil with Edmonton. A happy client stays with their agent....

People keep saying that about Winter because Winter is probably worried his client gets hurt or something, or has an awful year than the pay day next year is less than what it would be this summer.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:36 PM

Hossa's rationale for choosing Detroit sounds vaguely familiar. wink.gif Winter's seen this before in his clientele, and I doubt he was particularly surprised, in truth. I also doubt that he's upset about "losing" money on the deal.

Good for Hossa, for doing what he felt was right for his career and himself, and lucky Detroit. Hopefully, he will like being a Red Wing so much, he will stay more than one season.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (puckloo39 @ July 7, 2008 - 01:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hossa's rationale for choosing Detroit sounds vaguely familiar. wink.gif Winter's seen this before in his clientele, and I doubt he was particularly surprised, in truth. I also doubt that he's upset about "losing" money on the deal.

Good for Hossa, for doing what he felt was right for his career and himself, and lucky Detroit. Hopefully, he will like being a Red Wing so much, he will stay more than one season.

Hopefully, but let's not all think he is going to stay and when he leaves, we get all angry..

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Four @ July 7, 2008 - 12:38PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully, but let's not all think he is going to stay and when he leaves, we get all angry..


I wouldn't worry too much about it. Chances are, no matter what Hossa does, someone will be unhappy about it. laugh.gif

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (puckloo39 @ July 7, 2008 - 12:39PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Chances are, no matter what Hossa does, someone will be unhappy about it. laugh.gif

1/2 will be pissed if he leaves (he used us for a cup chance, traitor!) and 1/2 will be pissed if he stays (give some of the kids a chance!).

It's lose/lose around here. wink.gif


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Posted 07 July 2008 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (FireCaptain @ July 7, 2008 - 03:15PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1/2 will be pissed if he leaves (he used us for a cup chance, traitor!) and 1/2 will be pissed if he stays (give some of the kids a chance!).

It's lose/lose around here. wink.gif


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Posted 07 July 2008 - 04:41 PM

I am stilll amazed Hossa is gonna play for the Wings.
Yay!

But I hope he stays healthy.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 04:58 PM

Besides the possible" 08 Cup"I think it bears mentioning that Hossa saw first hand, how the Wings hung together like family. They took their play-off losses as the cost of doing business. The Pens however, were pointing the finger at ever one, [except the Pope] for each loss. If you were a professional, making a thousand dollars for every dollar the regular person makes, and your name on the Cup remains until the end of time, which team would you pick?

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (revmo10 @ July 7, 2008 - 10:03AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Hossa's agent lost out on a lot of money! He just gets to sign another contract next year! Rich Winter will get his money. Hossa will get his. The contract is for one season ONLY because Holland needs to make sure he can sign Z by July 1, 2009. Once Z is locked up long term, then Holland will look at what we can afford to pay Hossa beyond the up coming season. If it works out and we get to keep Hossa, then great. If we don't get to keep him, then we got to have an elite winger on the team while we could afford to. This is all because Ken Holland was amazing at signing Z to his current contract. I don't think Rich Winter is worried about it one bit. He probably thinks it is better for himself long term, since the Red Wings make players look better than they are sometimes! If Hossa wins a cup with the wings, they both make more the year after. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I'm fairly certain that an agent gets his cut yearly just like a player does, so Winter is really only missing out on his cut of $1.5 mil or so, if Hossa would've signed for $9 mil with Edmonton. A happy client stays with their agent....


In any work that pays a commission, it's always better to have as much money up front as possible or a guaranteed stream of money. This is why, for example, many health clubs try to get as much money up front out of you as possible, even though you might offer to make payments to cover the fees.

With Hossa signing a one year deal with the Wings, there's more uncertainty. What if he has a subpar season? What if the market changes for some reason, like a salary cap staying the same or even decreasing?

This is less compelling an argument, but the agent does have to do twice as much work to get the same amount of money in the long run than if Hossa just signed a long-term deal up front.

You're right that if Hossa plays as expected and signs a long-term deal with us or someone else, both he and the agent are going to more or less get the same money that they would have had Hossa signed a long-term deal last week.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (octopusonice @ July 7, 2008 - 06:28PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In any work that pays a commission, it's always better to have as much money up front as possible or a guaranteed stream of money. This is why, for example, many health clubs try to get as much money up front out of you as possible, even though you might offer to make payments to cover the fees.

With Hossa signing a one year deal with the Wings, there's more uncertainty. What if he has a subpar season? What if the market changes for some reason, like a salary cap staying the same or even decreasing?

This is less compelling an argument, but the agent does have to do twice as much work to get the same amount of money in the long run than if Hossa just signed a long-term deal up front.

You're right that if Hossa plays as expected and signs a long-term deal with us or someone else, both he and the agent are going to more or less get the same money that they would have had Hossa signed a long-term deal last week.


It's like politians. are they in office to serve us, or to serve themselves? Hossa'a agents job is to best serve Marion, not himself. Follow Marion's wishes. It's a very sad day in America, where he [the agent] is only realizing roughly 2 mil. instead of possibly 20.





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