Matt 1,048 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 They do during the season actually.. Really? And who would that be, outside the odd first- or second-year player that has an apartment right next to the Joe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Really? And who would that be, outside the odd first- or second-year player that has an apartment right next to the Joe? You just named them.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Lowe used to play for the Red Wigns, before he got traded to Edmonton in the 80's. If anyone knows about Detroit and winning organization it's him. Lowe is too much of a class act to slam any city. Burke on the other hand is a petty sniveling moron. WTF are you talking about? Kevin Lowe never played for the Red Wings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Well we're in GMT+1 which is 6hours ahead of U.S EST time, so time now is just over 7pm, not late if you ask me and i usually visit this forum once every hour or so til about 2-3am which is the time i go to bed... lol maybe i misunderstood you but oh well Alright i get the content, economy is s*** in michigan.. pity How's it with the violence, lots of shootings and murder too right? I live in northern sweden and we have snow from november to april and sometimes have -30C (dunno fahrenheit, imperial metric system sucks ) so we're used to snow and cold winters Ah, Ft. Ponchatrain. Detroit is a case study in socio-economics. It really does have an illustious history. The only major city to be considered for the title of America's Capital by three different country's: France, Britain, and the US. Once a powerful and prosperous world class city, everyone who could get out, has gotten out (including myself). Its a truly sad state of affairs, voted most miserable city by Forbe's magazine. http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/02/12/Det...49161202860250/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oYmJGg65Uo Edited July 7, 2008 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,048 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 You just named them.. You're kidding, right? To my knowledge, there hasn't been one of those for several years -- so please, stop just making things up on the fly and then playing them off as "uh, you named them." If you're going to state it as fact, name names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Ah, Ft. Ponchatrain. Detroit is a case study in socio-economics. It really does have an illustious history. The only major city to be considered for the title of America's Capital by three different country's: France, Britain, and the US. Once a powerful and prosperous world class city, everyone who could get out, has gotten out (including myself). Its a truly sad state of affairs, voted most miserable city by Forbe's magazine. http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/02/12/Det...49161202860250/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oYmJGg65Uo Wow... tons of abandoned houses... heard all the whites were moving out and blacks stayed, and that's why it looks like that... I feel sorry for the detroit people I didn't think it was THAT bad.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Lowe used to play for the Red Wigns, before he got traded to Edmonton in the 80's. If anyone knows about Detroit and winning organization it's him. Lowe is too much of a class act to slam any city. Burke on the other hand is a petty sniveling moron. Huh? Lowe was drafted by the Oilers and finished his career with them after playing a couple seasons for the Rags... Lowe Hockey Career I see his comments as a compliment. Only time I ever had a problem with him was when there were those stupid false reports that he was going after Filppula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 BTW, did anyone notice the Sweedish guy brought this up?? He is more offended then myself, who lives in the City. I just find it kinda funny. Maybe we in Detroit are just so used to it, we can't care anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Everyone I know hates Edmonton too... living in Calgary, the winters here are bad, but in Edmonton is much worse. Plus the crime and protection up there is a joke. It's a good hockey town though, and if Lowe hadnt f***ed them up after there cup run, I'm sure alot of players would want to go to Edmonton. Detroit is different, it's not the nicest place either, but they are proven winners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Can I ask, how did Lowe F-up the Pronger thing? Didn't Pronger demand out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dawgs 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Wow... tons of abandoned houses... heard all the whites were moving out and blacks stayed, and that's why it looks like that... I feel sorry for the detroit people I didn't think it was THAT bad.. Detroit is not a nightmare world with horrors unimaginable at every turn. The economy is hurting. The car companies were caught with thier pants down when world oil prices skyrocketed. The mortgage crisis has hit us especially hard after the residential segment was overbuilt. Commercial construction continues to thrive both in the suburbs and within the city itself. (Im a construction manager.) There are fun events every summer weekend, including the Gold Cup boat races, the international freedom fest, Dertroit Tiger baseball and a host of music festivals at Hart Plaza. During the fall and winter months, the International Auto Show, The Pistons and Red Wings and top college athletics. We have three world class casinos, Comerica Park, Ford Field, Chelis, National Coney, Hockeytown Cafe, the Fox Theatre. There have been two Super Bowls (only northern city to have hosted the biggest one day event in the world), a baseball All-Star game, a Final Four regional and the Red Bull air races. And lets not forget a Stanley Cup Parade that 750k attended. This city is not helpless nor hopeless. At the moment it is poorly managed. Thanks Kwame. But it is still a world class city with lots to offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 Can I ask, how did Lowe F-up the Pronger thing? Didn't Pronger demand out? He did. But I dont really think he got good value for Pronger either, and why trade him back tot the West? I think the Leafs offered Stajan+Kaberle and something, probably would've benefited the Oilers better. But not just the Pronger deal, he let a bunch of important players go. Samsonov, Peca, Spacek, Harvey, Murray, Smyth and Smith later on in the 06-07 season. I mean, now Stoll and Torres are gone too, he almost re-made the whole thing. Plus, he overpaid for Souray and Penner, and we'll see what a healthy season for both does, but I just dont think he handled everything the right way. And that's probably a reason people dont want to go to Edmonton (other then the weather.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) Why on earth do people assume that Hossa will be living in the ghettos of Detroit? He'll likely be leaving in Birmigham, Bloomfield, etc. Those are gorgeous places to live that rank up there with some of the nicest suburbs in the country. Edited July 7, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Why on earth do people assume that Hossa will be living in the ghettos of Detroit? He'll likely be leaving in Birmigham, Bloomfield, etc. Those are gorgeous places to live that rank up there with some of the nicest suburbs in the country. Grossey Pointey; he could buy John Salley's old house. One of the strangest places on earth; crossing over from Detroit into Grosse Pointe. The Ghetto and the very rich, seperated by a cinder block wall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted July 8, 2008 You're kidding, right? To my knowledge, there hasn't been one of those for several years -- so please, stop just making things up on the fly and then playing them off as "uh, you named them." If you're going to state it as fact, name names. Sorry there head honcho! -.- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Wow... tons of abandoned houses... heard all the whites were moving out and blacks stayed, and that's why it looks like that... I feel sorry for the detroit people I didn't think it was THAT bad.. I don't want to completely derail this thread, but both sides of this discussion are being oversimplified. First of all, I stand by my original statement until someone proves otherwise: No Detroit Red Wings player lives in the city. Not a rookie here or there... none. Back in the early 90s, I lived in the Lafayette Towers apartments on the east side of Detroit. At that time, the word was that Probert had an apartment there for a while. I don't know if it was true; I never saw him, but that's what people said. But today? I doubt it. The players usually live in the Bloomfield/Birmingham area. The Swedes mostly live in Novi. Babcock and Hasek lived in Northville. But the situation with the city itself is more complex than the dismissive remarks being made by people who don't live here or know the area. Hell, some of the most ignorant things said about Detroit are spoken by people who live in the area, especially the suburbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Grossey Pointey; he could buy John Salley's old house. One of the strangest places on earth; crossing over from Detroit into Grosse Pointe. The Ghetto and the very rich, seperated by a cinder block wall. I don't know about Salley living in Grosse Pointe, but at one time he did actually live in Detroit; in the Palmer Woods neighborhood. This was his house. He sold it in the mid-90s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 I know everyone on these boards is ready to bow down to Lowe because he insulted Burke, but Lowe one of the worst GMs in the league. He sounded like an idiot even when insulting Burke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 I know everyone on these boards is ready to bow down to Lowe because he insulted Burke, but Lowe one of the worst GMs in the league. He sounded like an idiot even when insulting Burke. He's really not that bad. It's a pretty challenging job in Edmonton and he's done pretty well. They also have a pretty good future IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
North Guy 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Everyone I know hates Edmonton too... living in Calgary, the winters here are bad, but in Edmonton is much worse. Plus the crime and protection up there is a joke. It's a good hockey town though, and if Lowe hadnt f***ed them up after there cup run, I'm sure alot of players would want to go to Edmonton. Detroit is different, it's not the nicest place either, but they are proven winners. Are the winters really worse in Edmonton than Calgary? Doesn't Calgary get the odd snowstorm in March too? Crime? Was there a random stabbing spree in Edmonton like what happened in Calgary at last year's Stampede? Also, last I looked Edmonton didn't have a psycho dad killing his wife, roommate and little kid. By the way, what top-notched free agent did the Flames sign besides Bertuzzi? Edited July 8, 2008 by North Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chuk 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Everyone I know hates Edmonton too... living in Calgary, the winters here are bad, but in Edmonton is much worse. Plus the crime and protection up there is a joke. It's a good hockey town though, and if Lowe hadnt f***ed them up after there cup run, I'm sure alot of players would want to go to Edmonton. Detroit is different, it's not the nicest place either, but they are proven winners. Shut up Calgary, everyone knows your the s*** hole of the universe, the crime and `protection` is not a joke. As for the Lowe comments, I was listening too the interview live on Edmontons Team 1260. The way the media quoted him was really unfair. He was using it in a postive context. And Lowe has praised Ken Holland and the Wings many times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Heard the Lowe clip regarding Burke, (and the Burke clips, for that matter) on the Team 1040 today (Vancouver). They said he's usually pretty tight lipped, and it did sound like he'd had a few wobbly pops . Whats a summer without some chirpin'? Have at it, boys. And hey Detroit, you're not alone. I think Vancouver is one of the coolest cities in the world. And as much as I like the city of Vancouver, its got its marvelous must see places too. Like Hastings St., location of the government sponsored free injection sites. Don't get me wrong; Vancouver does not compare to Detroit. But of course, most major ciites have their share of blight. I've driven through more than a few times just out of curiosity (Economics major, Political Science minor). It looks like a movie of drugged out zombies, for blocks. Really sad. This guy is one of the alert ones. Most that I've seen are zombied out. Edited July 8, 2008 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
North Guy 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) He did. But I dont really think he got good value for Pronger either, and why trade him back tot the West? I think the Leafs offered Stajan+Kaberle and something, probably would've benefited the Oilers better. But not just the Pronger deal, he let a bunch of important players go. Samsonov, Peca, Spacek, Harvey, Murray, Smyth and Smith later on in the 06-07 season. I mean, now Stoll and Torres are gone too, he almost re-made the whole thing. Plus, he overpaid for Souray and Penner, and we'll see what a healthy season for both does, but I just dont think he handled everything the right way. And that's probably a reason people dont want to go to Edmonton (other then the weather.) Who wins the Pronger deal will be in question for many years to come. You can say Eric Cole is now a byproduct of the Pronger trade. But right now the advantage goes to Anaheim just because they won the Cup. As for the other players you mentioned... Samsonov: As a free agent he wanted to play in the East for family reasons. In hindsight, ask any Montreal fan how they feel about signing Samsonov. Peca: Wanted to play in the East to be closer to his wife and kids. Spacek: Wanted to be closer to his Washington based wife. The travel was easier. Harvey: Where is he playing now? Murray: ditto Smith: An aging veteran that was traded for Pitkanen (another story). Smyth: Thank god the Oilers are not paying this injury-prone player $6M/season. The bottom line is Edmonton and other western-based teams have a hard time of attracting players because the travel is brutal compared to the East teams. Same reason why 90% of Red Wings fans want to see Detroit in the Eastern conference. Edited July 8, 2008 by North Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9-HoweFan 2 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Huh? Lowe was drafted by the Oilers and finished his career with them after playing a couple seasons for the Rags... Lowe Hockey Career I see his comments as a compliment. Only time I ever had a problem with him was when there were those stupid false reports that he was going after Filppula. Yup, you are correct. I must've gotten him cornfused with a different Lowe that I saw wearing a Wings jersey. My bad. I'll do more research before I post again. Either way, he didn't say anything really bad about the Wings. It's a compliment and a bit of a response to comments some Toronto guys were saying about the "real" reason why Hossa chose Detroit over Edmonton. At least that's the way I see it. My apologies for thinking Lowe played for the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEpats1028 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/teams/edmont...13-5f22ec96f312 im not sure whos the bigger moron, brian burke or lowe. Detroit is NOT the new Edmonton. Edmonton was popular for not even a decade. The Wings have been in the playoffs every year sine '91 and 4 cups later have not died off in the least...what a joke this guy is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
