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#21 StaticWithABeat

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 05:25 PM

I'll have my eye on Steve Bernier in Vancouver (provided he sticks with the Sedins), Carle & Meszaros in Tampa, and Peter Mueller in Phoenix.

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Dump-N-Thump @ September 4, 2008 - 12:02PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zach Stortini - An enforcer who can play hockey, thats exactly what Stortini is. I wouldn't be surprised if he can muster 25 points this year.

Dustin Byugflein(SP?) - He has the size and the skill to be a threat, and i think Chicago is giving him every opportunity to be a great forward, I'd expect good things from this kid.

Nikolai Antropov - Yup, Someone on the maples team is going to shine and its going to be Nikolai, I think he has what it takes to take the next step in his hockey career. I like his size and his skill, Now he just has to use it to his advantage.


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As far as Antropov goes, he's already had his breakout season. That was as good as it gets for him.
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Posted 04 September 2008 - 06:51 PM

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Fedorov...full season with AO and semin i think he puts up at least 85

Firstly, Fedorov is formerly the best player in the world. He broke out 15 odd years ago.

Second, he will probably be their third line center. Maybe he'll center Semin and Kozlov but I doubt it if Nylander and Backstrom are healthy.

Third, Ovechkin is the first line LW.

Fourth, Semin is the second LW.

Fedorov will never score the points he used to again. The Caps don't need that with Nylander, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Kozlov and Clark. He's their top defensive forward and that's how they'll use him.
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#24 eva unit zero

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (YoungGuns1340 @ September 4, 2008 - 05:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hudler having to overcome his size has always been somewhat overblown. If he can score 40+ points as a midget, to suggest his size is/was holding him back is to suggest that his talent alone should net him 50-60+ points, and thats still with depreciated ice time from that which is typical for a potential 2nd line forward.

That is to say, if you gave Hudler the ice time of an average 5-7 foward, he would score around 48-54 points. And if you were to suggest that his size was holding him back on top of that, then you're saying as a 23 year old he could've likely net around 60-65 points. Consider that type of production as a 23 year old is Datsyuk and Zetterberg-esque territory, I'd venture a guess that the only thing holding back Hudler from his would-be production is his ice time, as something along the lines of 48-54 points seems entirely plausible for a guy of Hudlers talent and stage of career.


..and I hope you get what I'm saying, cause Im not sure that was really clear..


Let's take a quick look at the totals each player posted in the season they were/turned 23, and the season they were/turned 24, as this covers the last two seasons Hudler has played:

Age 23
Datsyuk: 11g-24a-35pt, +4, 13:38
Zetterberg: 15g-28a-43pt, +15, 18:14
D/Z Average: 13g-26a-39pt, +10, 15:56
Hudler: 15g-10a-25pt, +16, 10:02

Age 24
Datsyuk: 12g-39a-51pt, +20, 15:27
Zetterberg: Did not play; 2004-05 Lockout
D/Z Average: 12g-39a-51pt, +20, 15:27
Hudler: 13g-29a-42pt, +11, 13:10

Now, let's project Hudler's offense in each season over the average time per game played by the other two.

Age 23
Hudler: 23g-15a-42pt, +24
D/Z Average: 13g-26a-39pt, +10, 15:56

Age 24
Hudler: 15g-34a-49pt, +13
D/Z Average: 12g-39a-51pt, +20, 15:27

It's interesting because at this point in their respective careers, Hudler is considered to be significantly better defensively than Datsyuk was, and has already proven he is capable of performing in the postseason; while the "postseason choker" tag haunted Datsyuk until recently. It's entirely possible that Hudler could end up as a better overall player than Datsyuk.

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 10:45 PM

Possible but wont happen. Ever.

A couple guys I'm going to watch is Bernier in Vancouver and Mueller in Phoniex.

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (Detroit # 1 Fan @ September 4, 2008 - 10:45PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Possible but wont happen. Ever.

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Just a little contradictory.
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Posted 04 September 2008 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Doggy @ September 5, 2008 - 12:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Just a little contradictory.

Haha, what can I say.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 12:56 AM

Steve Bernier is the 2nd coming of Robert Lang. His work ethic in San Jose was atrocious. Not sure what they thought of him in Buffalo, but obviously not enough to keep him around.

I know it's the common trend to pick him, but something has to give with Nathan Horton. He's the go-to guy in Florida now, and he needs to start living up to his lofty draft status potential.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 01:51 AM

QUOTE (Detroit # 1 Fan @ September 4, 2008 - 10:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, what can I say.

Lol. Nice avatar BTW. Gotta love Willie.
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#30 CaliWingsNut

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 02:57 AM

Finger.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Kp-Wings @ September 5, 2008 - 12:56AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Steve Bernier is the 2nd coming of Robert Lang. His work ethic in San Jose was atrocious. Not sure what they thought of him in Buffalo, but obviously not enough to keep him around.

I know it's the common trend to pick him, but something has to give with Nathan Horton. He's the go-to guy in Florida now, and he needs to start living up to his lofty draft status potential.


He's not half as attractive, and can't perform as well in the clutch.

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 10:50 AM

QUOTE (CaliWingsNut @ September 5, 2008 - 02:57AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Finger.


Dang it. You beat me to it. Finger's gonna earn that hefty *mistaken identity* paycheck this year.
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 12:30 PM

hudler had 13 g and 29 assists last year, i will be looking for him to get 55 - 60 points this year

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 01:31 PM

Flip & Huds are going to both have amazing seasons.
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 02:16 PM

If Babs sticks Huds on a line with Z and Hos all year, then he'll beat his total point haul of last year in helpers alone. The other side of the coin is that Huds is great on the power play as well. I'll stick my neck out and say Huds will get 60+ points this year, if he stays on that 2nd line.
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Posted 05 September 2008 - 06:21 PM

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 07:09 PM

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Let's just hope he doesn't get a concussion during the pregame skate.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 12:52 AM

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