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#21 CenterIce

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE (DatsyukownzU13 @ October 21, 2008 - 01:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HAMILTON. How long is it going to take for this team to get a team? Didn't they have around 14,000 season ticket pledges in a couple days last Spring?

Why would you just throw a team in the same exact area. The NHL is really worthless sometimes.


One thing I am wondering about Hamilton is that I think their are in the expansion territory of Detroit, Toronto, and Buffalo, which would mean that those three teams would get to veto the addition. Also, the new team would have to pay all three teams an expansion fee. That would be expensive.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:05 PM

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It most certainly didn't last time.


And I'm not sure it would again. I lived in Kansas City for 9 years before coming back to MI...hockey was very unkown there. The only pro teams that people seemed to know about were the Red Wings, Blues, Stars, and Avs. The Kansas City Blades folded due to poor attendance. So I doubt a pro franchise would survive.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:32 PM

it sounds cool,. but shouldnt happen. Toronto is an O6 team. lets keep it that way.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:36 PM

I like the idea... I'm sure that if this becomes more serious they'll be abe to overcome the territorial rights...

QUOTE (amberlynn25 @ October 21, 2008 - 04:32PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it sounds cool,. but shouldnt happen. Toronto is an O6 team. lets keep it that way.

Would a 2nd Toronto team suddenly make the Leafs a non O6 team?

#25 eva unit zero

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:49 PM

For Toronto to get a second NHL team...

Wouldn't they have to have a first one?

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE (donfishmaster @ October 21, 2008 - 01:00PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The league really needs to get rid of all of these stupid, useless teams nobody cares about...
like Colorado, Pittsburgh, Nashville, and Anaheim.



Nobody cares about the Avalanche or the Penguins? hmmmm seeing as how the Avs won 2 cups in '96 and '01 and they just moved a little more than a decade ago.. and the Penguins are Sid the Kid's team as well as getting a new stadium..i think they're both here to stay.

Top Teams the need to go:
1. Florida
2. Nashville
3. Atlanta
4. Phoenix
5. Anaheim (keep the Kings 'cause they have SOMEWHAT of a history)
6. NY Islanders
7. Tampa Bay
Of those teams....6 cups (4 for NYI in the 80's and 1 for TB in '04 and 1 for ANA)

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ October 21, 2008 - 08:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For Toronto to get a second NHL team...

Wouldn't they have to have a first one?


I'm so sick of comments like these. Toronto has just as much hockey history and pride as a city as any other (with the exception of Montreal maybe). Don't forget that we also lost to them this season, which is the team that you are joking about.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (T-Ruff @ October 21, 2008 - 04:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like the idea... I'm sure that if this becomes more serious they'll be abe to overcome the territorial rights...


Would a 2nd Toronto team suddenly make the Leafs a non O6 team?



no, its just hte history o fhte team and hte city. would you want a second team in detroit?
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#29 TheCaptain19

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:24 PM

three words.


LESS. IS. MORE.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 05:05 PM

What do you mean SECOND nhl team? I wasn't even aware they had 1... shocking.gif
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 05:21 PM

I'd actually love to see a team in Vegas. It would probably be a catastrophic failure, but damn do I love Vegas!

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 05:27 PM

Well the jokes just seem to write themselves; or atleast Edicus writes them and everyone else uses them over again laugh.gif

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 05:47 PM

Terrible idea. Sure, a second team in the city would make for a hell of a rivalry, but that's what the Canadiens and Senators are for. Not to mention, the idea of that second team sharing the arena is assinine. Is there any quicker way to lose your identity as a team than this? I don't think so.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE (DatsyukownzU13 @ October 21, 2008 - 05:04PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm so sick of comments like these. Toronto has just as much hockey history and pride as a city as any other (with the exception of Montreal maybe). Don't forget that we also lost to them this season, which is the team that you are joking about.


good call. i'm from toronto and i am subject to a lot of idiot 'hockey' fans, but that certainly doesn't mean that there aren't people who understand the game either. lots of history here.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 08:05 PM

QUOTE (Konnan511 @ October 21, 2008 - 12:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Won't happen due to territorial rights, which is why I have major doubts about the "source" of this "Governor".

Territorial rights are a sticky issue

In one part on the NHL constitution it states (lets call this rule 56)

No owner can move their franchise, without approval

but many experts think that this is unlawful and if it ever was challenged in court it would fail
so then later it states if rule 56 is found to be unlawful then this rule applies

if a franchise moves a team to within the boundries of another team, the franchise being moved must pay the existing franchise.
now this 'fee' is supposs to be negotiated between the two team. But the team refuses to co-operated then it goes to some sort of abritrator.

The interesting this is that when Balsille wanted to move the team to hamilton, his lawyer hinted to fact that they believed that territorial fee was unlawful, and that if challenged in court that this rule might also be unlawful

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 08:17 PM

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I want them going west so we can go east.


The Red Wings will never be an eastern team for the pure fact that many organizations, especially in the central division depend on ticket revenue when the Wings are in town. For example the Nashville Predators and the St. Louis Blues. And to realistically think that Bettman will do anything out of favor for teams with attendance issues like Nashville, Atlanta, and Phoenix is crazy talk. Columbus would be first to go, if there was ever a shift of a team to the east.

Say Vegas got their team. Being a former resident of Las Vegas, I can understand that there is a reason why major sports have never been a part of this city. The constant negativity that surrounds gaming among professional sports. This is also a city full of travellers and low paid hospitality workers. Placing a team there that would have to depend on the hotel/casinos to comp tickets and so on, is risky. And for the nhl to have one more franchise that has attendance issues, that depends on other teams like the Wings and Rangers to visit frequently to boost revenue doesn't sound like good planning. especially when people are spending hundreds of millions of dollars getting a team there.

Edited by miller76, 21 October 2008 - 08:26 PM.

lighten up people, it's the internet!

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 08:29 PM

i would love to see the jets back, i would love to see more canadian teams period. toronto doesn't need a second team, but if thats what it takes to get another franchise in canada...so be it yo.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE (soultrain @ October 21, 2008 - 09:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i would love to see the jets back, i would love to see more canadian teams period. toronto doesn't need a second team, but if thats what it takes to get another franchise in canada...so be it yo.

if you dont think toronto needs another NHL team you dont noe jack about the leafs

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 12:11 AM

I came out of my lurking stasis just to leave this here: New York vs Ontario/Northern NY

New York: http://maps.google.c...=...e=UTF8&z=11

Ontario Area: http://maps.google.c...=...ie=UTF8&z=8

Now answer this question. If NYC can handle 3 teams in a 30 mile radius shouldn't the Ontario/Northern NY area be able to handle 3 teams in a 50 mile radius?

I will concede the fact that the population of the NYC Metro Area is a over half of Canada's entire population. IMO, a team would be sustainable in either Hamilton or in Toronto. A Hamilton team would hurt Buffalo most and a second team in Toronto would be a red headed step child... a step child that just so happens to be more popular than the Preds, Panthers, and Thrash combined.

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (donfishmaster @ October 21, 2008 - 10:00AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The league really needs to get rid of all of these stupid, useless teams nobody cares about...
like Colorado, Pittsburgh, Nashville, and Anaheim.

yep, might as well get rid of all these playoff teams. great idea.
lighten up people, it's the internet!





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