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2008-2009 NBA Season Thread (Pistons trade for Allen Iverson)


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#21 Barrie

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:00 PM

I'm bummed Billups is gone crybaby.gif. I'm not a big Basketball guy, so I really can't say who got the better of the deal. Mostly my reaction is based on the fact that Billups has been my favorite Piston since Ben left for Chicago.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 08:57 PM

Really wanted to stay and hear them disect this trade on sports radio today but unfortunately I had to work. Just broke the news about the trade here right before I left for work.

The more I think about it. I like the move. In the spirit of election time, I endorse this trade.

I am sad to see Billups go but he was getting older and he wasn't gonna get better anyway. We weren't winning a championship with him on this team. AI gives us a shot this year and if it doesn't work out...let him go along with Rasheed. Use that $35 million to go after free agents like Shawn Marion and Chris Paul. I would love to see Paul in a Pistons jersey.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ November 3, 2008 - 08:57PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really wanted to stay and hear them disect this trade on sports radio today but unfortunately I had to work. Just broke the news about the trade here right before I left for work.

The more I think about it. I like the move. In the spirit of election time, I endorse this trade.

I am sad to see Billups go but he was getting older and he wasn't gonna get better anyway. We weren't winning a championship with him on this team. AI gives us a shot this year and if it doesn't work out...let him go along with Rasheed. Use that $35 million to go after free agents like Shawn Marion and Chris Paul.

Or LeBron James! punk.gif

I'm with you man....the more I think about it the more I like it. Especially if it means we can clear Dice's rather large salary off the books and then get him back for a lot less....that's a nasty good move right there. Vintage Joe Dumars. I love me some Chauncey Billups, and it's a real bummer to see him go. And those who are worried about Chauncey's skills deteriorating might want to remember, AI is 33 and in his 13th season, so it's not like we got any younger. But as much as we love Chauncey, seriously, Allen Iverson for Chauncey straight up is what this is looking like - and AI has the expiring contract. That's a winner of a move.

And like I said earlier the timing is perfect. AI doesn't have that ring, and now he's got a shot at getting it. Boston better watch out. If Iverson has the ball in Game 7 and thinks the Celtics stand between him and that ring, then it's on. Iverson's been kinda selfish at times throughout his career, but you can't doubt his competitive fire, and this isn't the first time Joe D. has traded for him (or tried to), which says something. In the end, if he's Joe Dumars' kind of player, then he's mine too.

Edit: The Nugs roll into town in March. Chauncey deserves nothing less than a roaring standing O when the time comes and I expect him to get it. One thing (of many) that I like about Detroit fans is we always show our appreciation for our former players like Chauncey and Pudge.
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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:46 PM

I don't see how this isn't a good deal. Sure, we could not reach the Finals or win it all, but what were our chances with the current team of doing either of those things anyway??

I haven't been impressed with Billups performance the last two years in the playoffs anyway. To get A.I. for basically Billups, this early in the season is a stellar move IMO. It gives time for the team to adjust and develop chemistry throughout the season as well as give the kids more PT.

We could still make another move before it's all said and done this year just to make a run for it all. Of course, I've heard talk of Prince for Al Harrington, but I'd have to see it to believe it. wink.gif

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ November 3, 2008 - 08:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or LeBron James! punk.gif


Edit: The Nugs roll into town in March. Chauncey deserves nothing less than a roaring standing O when the time comes and I expect him to get it. One thing (of many) that I like about Detroit fans is we always show our appreciation for our former players like Chauncey and Pudge.


I agree on treating Chauncey like gold when he returns. He was the man.

As for King James....1) I posted that link already...now I know you don't read anything I write laugh.gif . 2) It is a fascinating article. I really think it's still a long shot, but wow Joe D is really shooting for the stars, and I love it. If LeBron isn't playing in NY, or CLE in 2 years it will be with us. Imagine the PR skills the Stones could use with him: Bring the King to the Palace! etc, etc.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 10:28 PM

And now it's official that Rip has signed a 3-year extension!! YES!

This IMO has been a great day for the Detroit Pistons!!

EDIT: Sorry that is a 3 year extension, not a 2 year!

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (mannysBETTER3434 @ November 3, 2008 - 10:13PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree on treating Chauncey like gold when he returns. He was the man.

As for King James....1) I posted that link already...now I know you don't read anything I write laugh.gif . 2) It is a fascinating article. I really think it's still a long shot, but wow Joe D is really shooting for the stars, and I love it. If LeBron isn't playing in NY, or CLE in 2 years it will be with us. Imagine the PR skills the Stones could use with him: Bring the King to the Palace! etc, etc.
hmmm.....Prince of the Palace or King of the Palace?????? laugh.gif I am with ya on that!!

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 11:27 PM

QUOTE (mannysBETTER3434 @ November 3, 2008 - 10:13PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for King James....1) I posted that link already...now I know you don't read anything I write laugh.gif

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 12:44 AM

Wow when I saw this my jaw literally dropped. I'm still in shock.

First of all I cannot stand Iverson. Honestly he would have to be one of my most hated players in the league. But it seems he's wanted to be in Detroit a few times now so he'll be hungry and there is NO doubt we needed a star player. How many disappointing playoff exits can you have in a row before Dumars realises we needed star power? Billups was once my favourite player and while I still like him, I'm not really fussed about letting him go. After this year he's still got 2 years left on his deal so it was a good move to trade him and his contract.

The man reasons they did this deal:

1. Iverson is a pretty darn good player, an insane scorer and for once we'll have a player the opposition legitimately fear.

2. Iverson's contract expires at years end, so they basically moved Billups and McDyess to free up $12million or so. At seasons end they either re-sign Iverson for a significantly smaller amount or go after another star player.

3. More time for Stuckey to develop. Although hopefully AI doesn't get in his way now, but even if he does, it's only for 1 season whereas Billups would've been in his way for 2 more after this year.

I love McDyess' heart, he's a warrior, but honestly I've been wanting him gone for ages now. Amir Johnson is the future! Overall I'm actually quite satisfied at this trade, and that's saying something because in the process we picked up one of my most hated players.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 03:08 AM

Iverson
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New No. 3?
Rodney Stuckey knows new Piston Allen Iverson likely will want to keep jersey No. 3, which Stuckey currently wears.

"We're going to have to talk about it, I guess," said Stuckey, who might look for some form of, uh, compensation from Iverson for giving him his jersey.

"Like I said, we'll talk about it."

Stuckey said the only other jersey number he remembers wearing was No. 32, but that's being worn by Richard Hamilton.

"I want to do a single number, so I'll probably do something like 9 or something," he said.

Hossa >>>>> Iverson.

Can we dump this guy already? rolleyes.gif

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (rage @ November 3, 2008 - 09:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmmm.....Prince of the Palace or King of the Palace?????? laugh.gif I am with ya on that!!


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Posted 04 November 2008 - 07:36 PM

I LOVE this trade. Joe D just made the Pistons better this season and opened up a world of potential for the future. For starters, this Pistons team with Chauncey Billups is exactly what the Pistons have been the past three seasons - a very good, but not elite team. I am a huge Billups fan (and always will be), but the Pistons aren't better than the Celtics or Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference with Chauncey here. It's rather obvious from the last couple of playoffs that Chauncey has lost a step. The emergence of Stuckey probably made it easier for Joe D to pull the trigger on trading Chauncey too.

If we are talking solely in terms of ability, Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups is a straight up steal. Iverson is an elite scorer in the NBA - something the Pistons have lacked for years. If AI stays healthy, the Pistons are a better playoff team and have a fighting chance of getting back to the Finals with AI. Say what you want about AI being "selfish", but the guy plays all-out every single game he steps on the court. He has the motivation to win a championship and he is surrounded by a coach and teammates where any potential character issues are moot. For those of you bringing up the "practice issue", I have to wonder why you have a problem with that coming from AI, but you are OK with this current core of Pistons and their complacent act for the past three years? AI does leave it all on the floor, something this group of Pistons could use a refresher lesson with. I know I like the Pistons chances against the Celtics in the playoffs much better with a player like AI on the team.

For the future, this is also a terrific deal. AI is a free agent next summer, and so is Rasheed. Chauncey's lengthy contract is gone now too. Yes, I have read about the LeBron rumors, but that seems more like a fantasy at this point. I suppose taking a run at Bosh or D-Wade isn't all that bad of a consolation prize. Regardless, Joe D made the Pistons better this season and for future years as well. The Pistons are a very good basketball team with Mr. Big Shot, but have the real potential to win a championship with Allen Iverson.

I have to admit, this adds a whole new level of excitement for me regarding the Pistons this season. They needed a change, some fresh blood, and this is it. Joe D lived up to his promises as usual. I wish the best of luck to Chauncey in Denver. Chauncey is a class act, a champion, and a Piston no matter what. Thanks for the memories Mr. Big Shot.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 07:55 PM

I liked the press conference today.

Iverson: (some clichespeak about being willing to sacrifice whatever he needed to sacrifice for the team to win a championship)

Reporter (smart-alecky): Even practice?

Iverson: PRACTICE?! laugh.gif
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Posted 05 November 2008 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ November 4, 2008 - 07:55PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked the press conference today.

Iverson: (some clichespeak about being willing to sacrifice whatever he needed to sacrifice for the team to win a championship)

Reporter (smart-alecky): Even practice?

Iverson: PRACTICE?! laugh.gif



Edited by Hockeytown Red Wings, 05 November 2008 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2008 - 09:24 PM

Well great start of the new era. rolleyes.gif

Price is actually playing quite well, too bad he's the only one. Johnson is doing well too for his limited minutes but we sorely lack a big body who can get 10 rebounds a game. Kwame Brown is truly horrible and I want him gone already.

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Posted 09 November 2008 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Aussie_Wing @ November 9, 2008 - 09:24PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well great start of the new era. rolleyes.gif

Price is actually playing quite well, too bad he's the only one. Johnson is doing well too for his limited minutes but we sorely lack a big body who can get 10 rebounds a game. Kwame Brown is truly horrible and I want him gone already.

I dunno, Tay was like 4-15 shooting against the Nets the other night. But I like Curry's idea of having him out there leading the reserve unit. I don't think there's a bench player in the league that can guard him.

Was glad to see there was a roaring ovation for Iverson. Detroit fans are good like that. Same as with Sheed, if AI comes in and plays his ass off like he does, Pistons fans appreciate that more than any other fans in the league. Players can come to Detroit with a clean slate.
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Posted 11 November 2008 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ November 9, 2008 - 10:35PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dunno, Tay was like 4-15 shooting against the Nets the other night. But I like Curry's idea of having him out there leading the reserve unit. I don't think there's a bench player in the league that can guard him.

Was glad to see there was a roaring ovation for Iverson. Detroit fans are good like that. Same as with Sheed, if AI comes in and plays his ass off like he does, Pistons fans appreciate that more than any other fans in the league. Players can come to Detroit with a clean slate.


It will take some time to adjust when you lose your starting PG for the last half of decade. From watching the Stones this year I also think we need Dice back. I'm fairly confident he will be back, but I read today Boston is interested, and that concerns me. From watching so far I like what A.I. brings. When he gets used to everything there will be games when he takes total control over the game, and we haven't seen that in a long, long time.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 09:37 AM

Boston is definitely interested. However this article really provides some optimism.
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Posted 11 November 2008 - 01:37 PM

'Dyess will be back with the Pistons. There's only one team he wants to play for and that's the Pistons. Good thing too because Kwame Brown blows off the bench.
 
 
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Posted 11 November 2008 - 11:19 PM

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'Dyess will be back with the Pistons. There's only one team he wants to play for and that's the Pistons. Good thing too because Kwame Brown blows off the bench.

He's having a decent game today but yeah, he's pretty much awful.

And I've been keeping track of Darko's progress and wow, he's playing horrible. We ruined him I guess. I wonder if he was drafted by another team and got court time and confidence early would we have been a different player to the one we now see? Because it's hard to believe a guy that was considered so talented could suck so badly. He's gone from the starting line-up to receiving about 12 minutes per game, this on a deplorable Memphis team. Without having the stats at my disposal Id say hes averaging about 4 points in 4 rebounds, and they're on the decline too. He started playing well with Orlando but had to ruin that by wanting out. Now it looks like hell have his 4th team next season, that or head back home.

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