Did the Wings screw this up or is it too early to tell?

[jvxp 0]

totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I've said it from the start of all this. Get this.... he is playing againts the top players, not the 4th liners. Oh, keep Cheli.... He is past his prime. He should of retired!!!!!!!! Q was the right move and we F-ed up! Big time! But were still in first !!! But I would have kept him for Cheli anyday! (right now at this time in Cheli's career (old man should have retired)

[Chunkylover 26]

As I've said over and over, I really don't get how he couldn't crack this lineup. I'm not saying Holland made some huge error, but I look at Quincey and I'd take him over Lebda for sure. Maybe even Lilja for cost savings.

Given the way Lebda has struggled this season that would be a logical decision, but it was Quincey that struggled in the preseason so he determined his own fate.

It says something about the organization that they are loyal not only to their contracts but also to seniority, with the latter winning in this case.

To this point does anyone think our bottom pairing has been the key to our early struggles?

Stuart is really to blame, or at least his agent is. If he signed, what, a day earlier we'd probably not have re-signed Lilja, and then our bottom pairing could very well be Meech and Quincey.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Re-stating more or less what others have already mentioned in terms of it being way too early to see if the Wings were in the wrong here but I'll go on...

Quincey knew what the situation was with the Wings this year during pre-season and early season. Logjam on defense, and if somebody didn't perform, they were going to be traded or waived. Chelios' status has little/nothing to do with Quincey not being with Detroit anymore. And even if Quincey did win a spot over Meech or Lebda or Lilja you know he wouldn't be playing that much.

And this is one of those things where it is very, very hard to predict the future but very, very easy to play armchair quarterback AFTER IT HAPPENED.

Very similar to when plenty on here were going off the deep end getting upset on the Bertuzzi/draft pick trade AFTER THE FACT when Bertuzzi underperformed overall with the Wings and the draft pick Matthias is currently doing well still I am assuming. Pretty decent looking trade/situation at the time, but sometimes it doesn't work out. How could anybody have known AT THE TIME the trade happened? You take chances to improve your team, sometimes they don't work out. This one didn't.

We don't know if the Quincey waivers situation will result in the same thing yet where the Wings lost out.

[Guest Shoreline]

Mistakes will happen. The goal isn't to dwell on these mistakes, but whip your own players into shape. For one reason or another, say, Lebda, was chosen over Quincey. So be it.

Right now the Wings need to get their D whipped into shape as they are looking nothing like last season thusfar. There's no way Lids will win Norris this season with the pace he's on (the least of concerns, but still indicative of the loss), and right now he looks a bit less than stellar, like he's playing with an injury or something. If the Wings keep giving up a ton of goals, they should be players at the deadline, get a stay-at-home defenseman who can move the puck, but moreover can knock some bodies around.

[thedisappearer 291]

and the draft pick Matthias is currently doing well still I am assuming.

You, um, didn't read the whole thread, right?

He's in the minors, he's sucking hard, and the stats are above.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I also wouldn't be surprised if his numbers were 11g 30a 41p and -3

Then i'll add it to my sig and we'll see at the end of the year.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I hate to say it, but Kyle Quincey has scored 9 points this season in 15 games, and is logging over 20 minutes a night in LA. He's played outstanding, and is making the Wings look stupid for letting him leave for nothing.

Yeah, I know we have a logjam on defense and that he's getting more minutes to put up more points, but the fact that he's handling these minutes with such stellar play and confidence shows that he has what it takes to be a good defenseman. For a team who has several undersized defensemen, we should have let someone like Lebda or Meech go. This could prove to be a bad move as time goes on.

It's early yet. Quincy would never have the opportunity to play 20 minutes a night in Detroit. Obviously even if he had Lebda or Meech's minutes, it would be a lot less than 20 per night and because of that he wouldn't have 9 points.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Mistakes will happen. The goal isn't to dwell on these mistakes, but whip your own players into shape. For one reason or another, say, Lebda, was chosen over Quincey. So be it.

Right now the Wings need to get their D whipped into shape as they are looking nothing like last season thusfar. There's no way Lids will win Norris this season with the pace he's on (the least of concerns, but still indicative of the loss), and right now he looks a bit less than stellar, like he's playing with an injury or something. If the Wings keep giving up a ton of goals, they should be players at the deadline, get a stay-at-home defenseman who can move the puck, but moreover can knock some bodies around.

wow. talk about exaggerations. The Wings are currently ranked #20 in the league in GAA. That's not great but being in the middle of the league is alot different than being worst.

And Lidstrom, well he has 14 points and is +3 with 4 PIM which isn't superior but it certainly doesn't look to me like he's playing injured.

[jvxp 0]

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/columnists/bernstein.html

A good article on the Kings and Quincey.

[grsbmd 0]

It would have been tough for anyone to see this coming. I doubt the Kings knew what they were getting. Quincey barely put up these kind of numbers playing in the AHL.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

wow. talk about exaggerations. The Wings are currently ranked #20 in the league in GAA. That's not great but being in the middle of the league is alot different than being worst.

And Lidstrom, well he has 14 points and is +3 with 4 PIM which isn't superior but it certainly doesn't look to me like he's playing injured.

The only problem is, being in the middle of the league in defensive stats has never and will never be acceptable play for the Wings.

[Guest Crymson]

I hate to say it, but Kyle Quincey has scored 9 points this season in 15 games, and is logging over 20 minutes a night in LA. He's played outstanding, and is making the Wings look stupid for letting him leave for nothing.

Yeah, I know we have a logjam on defense and that he's getting more minutes to put up more points, but the fact that he's handling these minutes with such stellar play and confidence shows that he has what it takes to be a good defenseman. For a team who has several undersized defensemen, we should have let someone like Lebda or Meech go. This could prove to be a bad move as time goes on.

Quincey had his chance, and he never played well in the Wings` system. During our rash of defense injuries that saw a bunch of Griffins playing on our blueline for a few games, Quincey was thoroughly unimpressive and was the first to be sent back down. Whilst he was mostly solid during the '07 playoffs, he played only eight minutes per night and was never on the ice on the PK or against any of the opposition's top two lines. During preseason he was unimpressive.

I'm glad for him that he's playing well in L.A., but the fact is that he played himself off of the Wings` roster.

[Guest Shoreline]

wow. talk about exaggerations. The Wings are currently ranked #20 in the league in GAA. That's not great but being in the middle of the league is alot different than being worst.

Actually, the GAA is a telltale sign that the Wings defense has not been up to par at all, whatsoever. Might want to look at where they stand the last 3 seasons in GAA. 20th is godawful compared to 1st, 2nd, and 5th. Those combined 5 losses include some defensive collapses which only prove that the defense is not where it should be.

And Lidstrom, well he has 14 points and is +3 with 4 PIM which isn't superior but it certainly doesn't look to me like he's playing injured.

The stats sheet doesn't show how Lids has been turned inside and out quite often this season. Hopefully you've been watching the same games I have. Maybe it's an injury, maybe a hangover, maybe getting old, maybe a slump, who knows. He's not the usual Lids though, and this much is obvious.

The biggest things the Wings have to improve on this season is defense, especially clutch defense. The catalyst of this defense is Lidstrom.

Edited November 22, 2008 by Shoreline

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I hate to say it, but Kyle Quincey has scored 9 points this season in 15 games, and is logging over 20 minutes a night in LA. He's played outstanding, and is making the Wings look stupid for letting him leave for nothing.

Yeah, I know we have a logjam on defense and that he's getting more minutes to put up more points, but the fact that he's handling these minutes with such stellar play and confidence shows that he has what it takes to be a good defenseman. For a team who has several undersized defensemen, we should have let someone like Lebda or Meech go. This could prove to be a bad move as time goes on.

Do you honestly think he'd score like that playing 10 mins total every 5 games?

Honesly- this is like putting Kopecky up with Datsyuk and Hossa for 20 mins a game and acting like the goal he scored means he's a 1st line player.

Give any NHL player 20 mins a night and they better be able to do something with it.

I'm glad for Quincey, but I really don't think he'd be playing like this as a 7th d-man in Detroit. Would you trade Ericsson for him? Of course not. But Ericsson will be playing in Detroit next season and we've been told he's going to be playing on the top six d-men, so what does Quincey add this next season? He's still not better than any of next year's top six. And no one offered a penny to Holland for Quincey when he was looking to trade him.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Do you honestly think he'd score like that playing 10 mins total every 5 games?

Honesly- this is like putting Kopecky up with Datsyuk and Hossa for 20 mins a game and acting like the goal he scored means he's a 1st line player.

Give any NHL player 20 mins a night and they better be able to do something with it.

I'm glad for Quincey, but I really don't think he'd be playing like this as a 7th d-man in Detroit. Would you trade Ericsson for him? Of course not. But Ericsson will be playing in Detroit next season and we've been told he's going to be playing on the top six d-men, so what does Quincey add this next season? He's still not better than any of next year's top six. And no one offered a penny to Holland for Quincey when he was looking to trade him.

Guess what? If Ericsson is nothing more than a #6 defenseman, he's not going to put up very many points either. Based on that rationale, we should let Ericsson go also, since he'll never get much of a chance here behind the big 4 as everyone is calling them.

And not every defenseman can put up points from playing 20 minutes a night, so that's an errand argument on your part. There are defensemen on this team now who are more expendable than Quincey was, even when he was traded. His recent play only strengthens that notion for me.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Guess what? If Ericsson is nothing more than a #6 defenseman, he's not going to put up very many points either. Based on that rationale, we should let Ericsson go also, since he'll never get much of a chance here behind the big 4 as everyone is calling them.

And not every defenseman can put up points from playing 20 minutes a night, so that's an errand argument on your part. There are defensemen on this team now who are more expendable than Quincey was, even when he was traded. His recent play only strengthens that notion for me.

GMR, it's obvious you've made up your mind already that Holland made a mistake and Quincey is going to be an very good player.

Instead of posting this thread now, which at this point of the season is hardly a decent sample size, why not revisit this at the end of the year when other teams start playing better, defenses get better and the Kings start to stink as they should. I'm predicting unspectacular things for Quincey. Let's see what happens.

Oh, and Ericsson is already better than Quincey. Just ask Mike Babcock.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

GMR, it's obvious you've made up your mind already that Holland made a mistake and Quincey is going to be an very good player.

Instead of posting this thread now, which at this point of the season is hardly a decent sample size, why not revisit this at the end of the year when other teams start playing better, defenses get better and the Kings start to stink as they should. I'm predicting unspectacular things for Quincey. Let's see what happens.

Oh, and Ericsson is already better than Quincey. Just ask Mike Babcock.

Fair enough, but at the end of the season it's doubtful that I'll see someone like Lebda as being more useful than Quincey.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

The only problem I have with the move, is Quincey could've provided us anything that Meech, Lilja or Lebda can do. I guess the thing is, I dont think any of them (as much as I love Meech) could have the same amount of points, and play 20+ solid minutes on other teams. But since he wasnt going to get a shot here, I'm glad he's playing somewhere where I can cheer him on.

[OsGOD 3]

Meh the only thing they screwed up is having about 6 players better than him on the team not allowing him to get the 20+mins of playing time to excel as he is doing.

Grass is always greener.. bring him back here and watch him rot in the press box or GR... he is better of in LA where he will and does play

[Guest Crymson]

Guess what? If Ericsson is nothing more than a #6 defenseman, he's not going to put up very many points either. Based on that rationale, we should let Ericsson go also, since he'll never get much of a chance here behind the big 4 as everyone is calling them.

And not every defenseman can put up points from playing 20 minutes a night, so that's an errand argument on your part. There are defensemen on this team now who are more expendable than Quincey was, even when he was traded. His recent play only strengthens that notion for me.

Put Meech with Hossa, Datsyuk and Holmstrom and give him 20 minutes per night, and he'll rack up points.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Guess what? If Ericsson is nothing more than a #6 defenseman, he's not going to put up very many points either. Based on that rationale, we should let Ericsson go also, since he'll never get much of a chance here behind the big 4 as everyone is calling them.

Uh, the argument is predicated on there being a logjam at defense, so by his rationale the Wings did what they had to do. Not "throw away any player that doesn't put up a lot of points," which is a bizarre assumption to make.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Put Meech with Hossa, Datsyuk and Holmstrom and give him 20 minutes per night, and he'll rack up points.

LA has some talent, but not that kind of talent. I don't see the connection.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Guess what? If Ericsson is nothing more than a #6 defenseman, he's not going to put up very many points either. Based on that rationale, we should let Ericsson go also, since he'll never get much of a chance here behind the big 4 as everyone is calling them.

And not every defenseman can put up points from playing 20 minutes a night, so that's an errand argument on your part. There are defensemen on this team now who are more expendable than Quincey was, even when he was traded. His recent play only strengthens that notion for me.

Not really- because Ericsson is a blue-chip prospect that has impressed the Wings at every opportunity. That's literally the opposite of what Quincey was for this team.

[thedisappearer 291]

nm

Edited November 23, 2008 by thedisappearer

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

Then i'll add it to my sig and we'll see at the end of the year.

I didn't say my projection, I just said I wouldn't be surprised. If the Kings can stay healthy he absolutly can put up those numbers. Why don't you add that to your sig too.

Edited November 24, 2008 by LIDDYGIBBY5