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#21 Frozen-Man

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Doggy @ December 8, 2008 - 05:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Home-ice means next to nothing in the playoffs. Most recent champs have overcome it. Detroit and Carolina are the only ones I can think of that didn't have to.


While it is true that most Cup Champs have overcome home ice advantage the it does not mean next to nothing. In fact the home team has won 55.4% of the games over the last three seasons. That is a fairly significant swing (10.8%).



QUOTE (Doggy @ December 8, 2008 - 05:56PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing is, we won every series on the road.


True we won on the road but took a lot of pressure off of the Wings to know that even if they lost they got to go home again and play there. But yeah, the Wings are good enough to win without home ice.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE (Doggy @ December 8, 2008 - 04:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure why you mentioned my country but in case you didn't know, in the playoffs both teams have the same travel schedule. Home-ice means next to nothing in the playoffs. Most recent champs have overcome it. Detroit and Carolina are the only ones I can think of that didn't have to.


heh... When Detroit has locked up the pres. trophy so many times recently.... others have to in order to win.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Frozen-Man @ December 8, 2008 - 05:54PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While it is true that most Cup Champs have overcome home ice advantage the it does not mean next to nothing. In fact the home team has won 55.4% of the games over the last three seasons. That is a fairly significant swing (10.8%).

Keep in mind, I'm talking about the playoffs. Home ice is much more of a factor in the regular season due to travel schedules. That is not the case in the playoffs. I've no doubt the home team's win% is similar or even greater than that in the playoffs but I think that'd probably have more to do with the home team actually being the better team most of the time.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:04 PM

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heh... When Detroit has locked up the pres. trophy so many times recently.... others have to in order to win.

They don't when the Presidents Trophy bombs out in the early rounds.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE (Doggy @ December 8, 2008 - 04:04PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They don't when the Presidents Trophy bombs out in the early rounds.


Didn't that happen to the Wings twice in the last 13 years?

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (UP2HERE @ December 8, 2008 - 03:11PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm ok with 2nd or 3rd,let someone else be the favorite.

Yup, just as long as we win the division.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE (RusDRW @ December 8, 2008 - 02:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You watch too much of San Jose... The play-off is where you are going to see thta "angry" Red Wings team.



The reason the Wings have lost in the first round a few times is that mentality right there. They coast into the playoffs on crusie control and try to turn it on in game one. Its really tuff to just turn it on. It takes a while to ramp up if you are not already there. Meanwhile, we play the 8th seed whose been ramped up like wildcats because they have been playing for their lives trying to make the palyoffs the last 8 weeks of the season. They are already at playoff speed and we have to get warmed up and before you know, they've beaten us 4 games before we could get our s*** together.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 06:16 AM

QUOTE (WingsFan2008 @ December 8, 2008 - 06:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't that happen to the Wings twice in the last 13 years?

I dunno. Does it matter? It doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (Doggy @ December 8, 2008 - 09:31PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Proof mindfly has been following the NHL for all of about 6 months.

TBH theres more to it than just home advantage, you get the last line change as well. With this in mind you can match the lineups alot better when you know the players the opposition is putting out for the next shift.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 07:26 AM

I'd rather want Kronwall to save most of the big hits for the playoffs. No need to risk getting injured before that. He could play better in general though.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 10:34 AM

So most of you guys don't care what the product on the ice is for the regular season? Most of you would rather have the griffins play the regular season and save our stars for the playoffs? Did it ever occur to you that they are getting paid millions of dollars to play 82+ games and give it their best each and every shift to ENTERTAIN US? Do you even watch the games during the regular season or do you just check the box scores the next morning?

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE (under_par_00 @ December 8, 2008 - 02:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Wings are taking it easy out there. Most havn't been finishing checks, or going hard every shift. Where are all of Kronwall's hits? He had almost one huge hit per game in the playoffs. The team is still getting the job done, and I think they are going to stop laying off when it really matters.

If you watch San Jose, they are going hard every shift, finishing checks and doing what it takes to dominate.

What do you think?

s***. People used to stay "on topic" around here in the past. Seems to me the original post was about how the Wings may be taking it easy right now to avoid injuries. We've got almost 2 pages of commentary that has nothing to do with the topic. If you don't want to discuss the topic, why not start another thread? Or, maybe post in one of the other threads on the same few topics around here. When you see a thread that has 25 pages, you know it's going to touch all the buttons: goalies, defense, enforcer, lazy and sux, blah, blah, blah. If a thread dies after 3-4 pages it's because it's been discussed thoroughly , and it's supposed to die a natural death. Let's raise the bar a little here, folks and clean it up some. This is a really cool site, but you should see it when folks stay on topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear it..."so who's this HOCKEY MATTERS think he is anyway?". Nobody special. I just remember when things were different. Still had flaming and some crazy arguements but the threads were better.

Edited by HOCKEY MATTERS, 09 December 2008 - 12:54 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:59 PM

if we don't have the presidents trophy this season it will be much easier to swallow watching this bunch of 18-4-4 washed up no good scrubs getting booted in the first round 4-straight!


as its been said as long as you have the highest seed in each round you have home ice... President trophy guarantees that, but it is not NEEDED either.



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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (HOCKEY MATTERS @ December 9, 2008 - 12:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
s***. People used to stay "on topic" around here in the past. Seems to me the original post was about how the Wings may be taking it easy right now to avoid injuries. We've got almost 2 pages of commentary that has nothing to do with the topic. If you don't want to discuss the topic, why not start another thread? Or, maybe post in one of the other threads on the same few topics around here. When you see a thread that has 25 pages, you know it's going to touch all the buttons: goalies, defense, enforcer, lazy and sux, blah, blah, blah. If a thread dies after 3-4 pages it's because it's been discussed thoroughly , and it's supposed to die a natural death. Let's raise the bar a little here, folks and clean it up some. This is a really cool site, but you should see it when folks stay on topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear it..."so who's this HOCKEY MATTERS think he is anyway?". Nobody special. I just remember when things were different. Still had flaming and some crazy arguements but the threads were better.

As you stray completely from the topic...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:19 PM

It's really just a bit of cup hangover where they're having a hard time getting ramped up for games. The scary this is that we're still winning and pretty much coasting along on the amount of skill we have. Once they kick it into gear, we should see shades of last year's domination.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (IceMunkee @ December 9, 2008 - 01:07PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As you stray completely from the topic...

Yeah, you're right. I was just trying to bring it back on topic...but had to go out in left field to do it. Catch 22. It's ok, though. It will more than likely be ignored anyway. Life goes on.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (HOCKEY MATTERS @ December 9, 2008 - 12:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
s***. People used to stay "on topic" around here in the past. Seems to me the original post was about how the Wings may be taking it easy right now to avoid injuries. We've got almost 2 pages of commentary that has nothing to do with the topic. If you don't want to discuss the topic, why not start another thread? Or, maybe post in one of the other threads on the same few topics around here. When you see a thread that has 25 pages, you know it's going to touch all the buttons: goalies, defense, enforcer, lazy and sux, blah, blah, blah. If a thread dies after 3-4 pages it's because it's been discussed thoroughly , and it's supposed to die a natural death. Let's raise the bar a little here, folks and clean it up some. This is a really cool site, but you should see it when folks stay on topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I hear it..."so who's this HOCKEY MATTERS think he is anyway?". Nobody special. I just remember when things were different. Still had flaming and some crazy arguements but the threads were better.




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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (T.Low @ December 9, 2008 - 01:45PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you can't find any tissues, there is old toilet paper in the can that should have a clean side you can use. You must be wearing a perfect little blouse and I'd hate to see it get all snot stained.

wow. you're funny. lot of class too. can i be on your "friends" list?
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#39 LGATL

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:21 PM

QUOTE (lfd250 @ December 8, 2008 - 06:23PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I bet Altlanta or Tampa would love our lazy no good team.


Had to chuckle at this one. I'm a Detroit area native who's followed the Wings since about 1960.... but I have lived in Atlanta since 1996. Still make it to the occasional Wings games at the Joe including twice in the playoffs last year. Since I love NHL hockey I have become a Thrashers season ticket holder.... I know, I know.... but as I said I love hockey.

As Wings fans, we are truly spoiled..... at least the last 12-15 year or so. (I remember the Dead Wings of the 70s, too)..... Trust me you would not want to be a Thrashers fan..... it's truly painful to watch, both the team and the ownership and front office. Uggghhh. When I just can't take it anymore, I watch the Wings for my fix of good hockey / good team / good ownership / good GM .... well you get the idea.

I occasionally visit this board (as a Wings fan not as some Atlanta troll) and I have to laugh....sometimes this board sounds like the Thrashers board - you would think the Wings were in 29th place in the league :-)

Anyway, just wanted to offer some perspective as long time Wings fan who also has another "adopted" team..... when you get down on the Wings, just remember, you could be a Thrashers fan !!!!

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:24 PM

Sad thing is, some asshat is going to come in here and bag on LGATL. Watch and see.
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