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#1 stevkrause

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:05 PM

It's very simple, have the AHL and NHL work with Bauer, CCM, Reebok, etc... to produce shields with locks/hinges that can be raised up to expose the face, make all shields have a mandatory latch that can be lifted when unlocked... everyone wins, fighters can fight, helmets stay on to protect against head to ice injuries... then make rule adjustments as appropriate -

Additional penalties/suspensions for removing helmets, removing each others helmets during fights and additional penalties for unsecured chip straps (like the jersey tie down rule)

HOWEVER

All fighters that square off HAVE to unlatch their shield or receive an additional unsportsmanlike penalty...

This way, cowards cannot hide behind their shields and take cheap shots without retribution and if they do have to fight, protect their faces while the fighter demolishes his hand on the shield and lands no real shots...

It would be easy as hell and easy to implement... obviously judgment calls would be needed as to additional penalties as well

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#2 GordieSid&Ted

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ January 14, 2009 - 12:05PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's very simple, have the AHL and NHL work with Bauer, CCM, Reebok, etc... to produce shields with locks/hinges that can be raised up to expose the face, make all shields have a mandatory latch that can be lifted when unlocked... everyone wins, fighters can fight, helmets stay on to protect against head to ice injuries... then make rule adjustments as appropriate -

Additional penalties/suspensions for removing helmets, removing each others helmets during fights and additional penalties for unsecured chip straps (like the jersey tie down rule)

HOWEVER

All fighters that square off HAVE to unlatch their shield or receive an additional unsportsmanlike penalty...

This way, cowards cannot hide behind their shields and take cheap shots without retribution and if they do have to fight, protect their faces while the fighter demolishes his hand on the shield and lands no real shots...

It would be easy as hell and easy to implement... obviously judgment calls would be needed as to additional penalties as well



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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:30 PM

Or how about, we just accept that after hundreds of thousands of fights in hockey, one person dying in a freak accident is nothing serious. Greatest respect to the kid, but helmets come off in hockey all the time and players are fine.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:32 PM

most fights occur in the heat of the moment, players are not going to stop, unlatch their visors, and then fight.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (GordieSid&Ted @ January 14, 2009 - 12:27PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EPIC FAIL

want to tell me how?!??!

I think it is an over-reaction and a stupid rule in the first place, but the AHL has already implimented it and the further this goes, the closer we come to losing fighting all together... instead of just saying how stupid the rule is, I was trying to offer a solution to work with the system... the rules ARE there and are going to continue to get added any time a freak occurrence happens, so rather than ***** about how stupid the new rules are (which aren't going to go away) why not try and find a way around them?!?!?!

What's your solution, other than "let's keep it the way it is" - because that is NOT going to happen...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

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Here in this one as well

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:40 PM

thanks, but a giant NO THANKS.

Never in a million years would this happen, or would anyone want to.
To much work, and like others stated, heat of the moment, and such, just no.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:41 PM

People aren't going to take the time to take off their visors. Hell, some people don't even wait to take off their gloves anymore *cough* tootoo *cough*.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:35 PM

I don't think this scheme is sufficiently complicated.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:33 PM


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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ January 14, 2009 - 01:05PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's very simple, have the AHL and NHL work with Bauer, CCM, Reebok, etc... to produce shields with locks/hinges that can be raised up to expose the face, make all shields have a mandatory latch that can be lifted when unlocked... everyone wins, fighters can fight, helmets stay on to protect against head to ice injuries... then make rule adjustments as appropriate -

Additional penalties/suspensions for removing helmets, removing each others helmets during fights and additional penalties for unsecured chip straps (like the jersey tie down rule)

HOWEVER

All fighters that square off HAVE to unlatch their shield or receive an additional unsportsmanlike penalty...

This way, cowards cannot hide behind their shields and take cheap shots without retribution and if they do have to fight, protect their faces while the fighter demolishes his hand on the shield and lands no real shots...

It would be easy as hell and easy to implement... obviously judgment calls would be needed as to additional penalties as well


I think that is a solution but not a simple one. A more simple solution is tougher penalties on players who remove their helmet for a fight. No solution is going to solve this 100% and I would hazard a guess that theres less chance of death being in a hockey fight than there is to drive a car.


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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:46 PM

I seriously wish Fail, Epic Fail and any variation of the phrase would be a bannable offense.

While I disagree with the original poster's idea, he's trying to illicit a discussion. After all, this is a discussion board.

If people feel the need to respond to the thread, it'd be nice if they bothered to actually string a sentence or two together about why they disagree instead of just posting EPIC FAIL.

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On topic, as others mentioned I just don't think it's practical to expect guys to unlatch their shields before fighting. But worse than that would be the possibility of the visor coming unlatched during normal play when it's supposed to be protecting the guys face. There's so many instances that it gets hit with someone's glove, or a stick, or pressed into the glass, or even hit by a puck.

I don't know how they'd construct one that would stay on through all that, but be easy enough to detach before a fight.


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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:48 PM

How about this?



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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:53 PM

Harold's right, a shield like that is virtually impossible to create.

Also, the whole point of guys removing their helmets before a fight is so that they don't break their hands on each other's helmets.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (joshy207 @ January 14, 2009 - 04:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Harold's right, a shield like that is virtually impossible to create.

Also, the whole point of guys removing their helmets before a fight is so that they don't break their hands on each other's helmets.

I think the league knows the reason but theyre trying to stress the danger of removing the helmet. Broken hand better than broken head kinda deal.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 05:48 PM

Fighting without helmets has been working for so long, no matter what precaution the league took, statistics say that someone will die from it. I'm still sad to see it happen, don't get me wrong

Figting with helmets on, someone could choke on the chinstrap and die, will it be a penalty to keep your helmet on at that point?

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#16 Saran

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 06:20 PM



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Posted 14 January 2009 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (UP2HERE @ January 14, 2009 - 03:55PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the league knows the reason but theyre trying to stress the danger of removing the helmet. Broken hand better than broken head kinda deal.


Right, but you'll have 50 broken hands before you have one broken head.

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (UP2HERE @ January 14, 2009 - 03:45PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that is a solution but not a simple one. A more simple solution is tougher penalties on players who remove their helmet for a fight. No solution is going to solve this 100% and I would hazard a guess that theres less chance of death being in a hockey fight than there is to drive a car.

is dany heatley driving?


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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:36 AM

[quote name='haroldsnepsts' date='January 14, 2009 - 03:46PM' post='1519271']
I seriously wish Fail, Epic Fail and any variation of the phrase would be a bannable offense.

it seriously should be.


#20 stevkrause

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 09:59 AM

what a surprise, all people have offered were "leave it as it is" or any variation of the "fail" comment... original...

yet again -

I think it is an over-reaction and a stupid rule in the first place, but the AHL HAS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IT and the further this goes, the closer we come to losing fighting all together... instead of just saying how stupid the rule is, I was trying to offer a solution to work with the system... the rules ARE there and are going to continue to get added any time a freak occurrence happens, so rather than ***** about how stupid the new rules are (which aren't going to go away) why not try and find a way around them?!?!?!

What's your solution, other than "let's keep it the way it is" - because that is NOT going to happen...


Also... I don't think visors should be mandatory by any means, but this simply is a way around the cowards that hide behind them... i.e Tootoo

Edited by stevkrause, 15 January 2009 - 10:01 AM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.






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