Hossa's agent weighs in on Zetterberg deal

[redwing19 0]

If the salary cap stays the same for next year the Wings have 14.958 million to replace the 8 expiring contracts. (Z, Hossa, Franzen, Sammy, Hudler, Chelios, Kopecky, & Conklin)

Here are 2 scenarios for keeping Hossa OR keeping Franzen and Hudler without trading away Filppula or other bigger contracts.

Scenario 1: NO HOSSA OR SAMMY (In millions): Franzen & Hudler would also have to take a home team discount:

6.08 - Zetterberg

1.8 - Hudler

0.6 - Helm

0.875 - Leino (RFA – not signed yet)

3.4 - Franzen

0.716 – Howard or other backup goalie

0.525 - Kopecky

0.9 - Ericsson (Lebda and Meech on the bench, Chelios retires to bench coach)

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14.896 mil = TOTAL

Scenario 2: NO HUDLER OR FRANZEN:

6.08 - Z

6.0 – Hossa (similar creative deal like Z's)

0.6 - Helm

0.875 - Leino

1.2 - Sammy (if he comes back for same salary)

0.716 – Howard or other backup

0.525 – Kopecky

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15.996 mil = TOTAL (salary cap would have to increase by about $1 mil)

Can’t afford 8 defencemen (If Ericsson will be with Wings Lilja will have to be traded, Chelios retires. Ericsson is .30 less than Lilja) Only Meech on the bench.

So based on which way the Wings choose to go I don't think they will be signing any more players until they know what the salary cap will be. There is NO way the Wings can sign both Hossa and Franzen unless they trade away some big contracts like Filppula and someone else.

Hudler at 1.8a year is a pipe dream from the late 60's or early 70's.

Edited January 29, 2009 by redwing19

[Icesurfer 75]

If you looked at Z's contract you will quickly realize that Hossa does not have to play for $6 million per year TO HAVE A CAP HIT OF $6 MILLION PER YEAR. These are entirely 2 different figures. Hossa's contract can go until he is 40, 41, 42, whatever with the last few years at $1 million per year IN ORDER to bring down the cap hit to $6 million.

FOR EXAMPLE: You can pay Hossa $8 million for 8 years and then $2 million for 4 years. A 12 year contract worth $72 million for a CAP HIT OF ONLY $6 MILLION PER YEAR. Hossa would get 8 million until he is 38 years old and 2 million until he is 42. You can even cut his salary down to 1 million the last 2 years for a cap hit of 5.8333 million per year. In 8-10 years a cap hit of 5.8333 million may just be peanuts!!!!!

Hossa is definitely LESS injury prone than Z. AND Hossa can retire at age 38 and there would be no more payment and no more cap hit. So Hossa still gets his $8 million and everyone is happy.

This is perfectly legal and a very creative way to manage the cap!!!!!!!!

[Icesurfer 75]

I wish people would realize that these are NOT SALARIES...... THESE ARE CAP NUMBERS!!!! THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!!! SEE the post above for an explanation.

[Statts 4]

If you looked at Z's contract you will quickly realize that Hossa does not have to play for $6 million per year TO HAVE A CAP HIT OF $6 MILLION PER YEAR. These are entirely 2 different figures. Hossa's contract can go until he is 40, 41, 42, whatever with the last few years at $1 million per year IN ORDER to bring down the cap hit to $6 million.

FOR EXAMPLE: You can pay Hossa $8 million for 8 years and then $2 million for 4 years. A 12 year contract worth $72 million for a CAP HIT OF ONLY $6 MILLION PER YEAR. Hossa would get 8 million until he is 38 years old and 2 million until he is 42. You can even cut his salary down to 1 million the last 2 years for a cap hit of 5.8333 million per year. In 8-10 years a cap hit of 5.8333 million may just be peanuts!!!!!

Hossa is definitely LESS injury prone than Z. AND Hossa can retire at age 38 and there would be no more payment and no more cap hit. So Hossa still gets his $8 million and everyone is happy.

This is perfectly legal and a very creative way to manage the cap!!!!!!!!

You can't just give every player a 12 year contract. Too risky.

Besides IF Hossa signs with the Wings next year he will not make more than Lids.

[Icesurfer 75]

A 12 year contract is NOT risky!!! When you are talking about someone being 37-40 years old there is retirement...... payments end.....no more cap hit. There is always LTIR. There is buyouts and you still take some cap hit...... but we are talking 8-10 years from now.....

A salary of $7.45 million in 8 years MAY be peanuts!!!!

I remember just 2 years ago everyone thought that Datsyuk's salary was too much..... it turned out to be a steal for the Wings.

OK fine.... If you want to give Hossa 7.45 million for 9 years instead....that is just dandy... no big deal.... play with the numbers any way you want. You can still play with the numbers to lower the cap hit to 5.8333 per year when you are talking about a long term contract.

Hossa had played like 80 games every year for a 6 year stretch. Hossa signed for a long term contract is not as big a gamble as Z is!!!!!

STOP THINKING SALARY FIGURES AND START THINKING CAP NUMBERS!!!

Ilitch was use to paying $70 - $80 million a year for his team....... I am sure he would not even blink to consider a contract like this for Hossa.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Icesurfer

[thedatsyukian 7]

The only person that I think has a physical presence is Homer in front of the net. Kopecky, as much as it pains me to say this, is the next person to have a physical presence. Knowing how to use your body and being a physical presence are two different things imo. It's what separates enforcers from other players.

If he is the best option we have then we're in a lot of trouble.

[Statts 4]

A 12 year contract is NOT risky!!! When you are talking about someone being 37-40 years old there is retirement...... payments end.....no more cap hit. There is always LTIR. There is buyouts and you still take some cap hit...... but we are talking 8-10 years from now.....

A salary of $7.45 million in 8 years MAY be peanuts!!!!

I remember just 2 years ago everyone thought that Datsyuk's salary was too much..... it turned out to be a steal for the Wings.

OK fine.... If you want to give Hossa 7.45 million for 9 years instead....that is just dandy... no big deal.... play with the numbers any way you want. You can still play with the numbers to lower the cap hit to 5.8333 per year when you are talking about a long term contract.

Hossa had played like 80 games every year for a 6 year stretch. Hossa signed for a long term contract is not as big a gamble as Z is!!!!!

STOP THINKING SALARY FIGURES AND START THINKING CAP NUMBERS!!!

Ilitch was use to paying $70 - $80 million a year for his team....... I am sure he would not even blink to consider a contract like this for Hossa.

Dipietro. Let that sink in.

We still need depth player ya know.

Committing to a player till 2021 is risky. Throw all the numbers you want, but it does not change that.

Edit: it's easy to throw around money that is not yours and have it not risk loosing your job.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Statts

[Icesurfer 75]

Hudler at 1.8a year is a pipe dream from the late 60's or early 70's.

Well, all I have to say is if the midget does not want to play for the Wings for 1.8 million for one year is good luck to you and have a good life!

He is a restricted free agent. I can not see a contending team giving him 2.5 million and giving up a draft pick to the Wings. Wings would love it anyways because they can't sign everyone. I am sure the San Jose sharks are just chomping at the bit to get the midget on their team half of whom are over 6 feet tall and twice his weight.....LOL! Hudler is a third line player and a power play specialist who plays 12 minutes a night and nothing more. When he plays 15-18 minutes he gets worse. He has already shown that he can't compete 5 on 5 with better first line and second line players. The only teams that would consider signing him are inferior non-contending teams who just want big scorers on their team for fan enjoyment. And if the midget wants to make a few more bucks and play for a non-playoff team I say go for it!!!! Every player signing with this team is taking a home team discount and Hudler would be no different.

Any players who decide to leave the Wings and play for someone else will just end up like Federov, Bertuzzi, Schneider and Shanahan........a non-factor and never get another ring!!!! The only exception would probably be Hossa..... but I believe the Wings will offer him a contract similar to Z's. And Hossa has already said his goal is to get a RING.

[Icesurfer 75]

Dipietro. Let that sink in.

We still need depth player ya know.

Committing to a player till 2021 is risky. Throw all the numbers you want, but it does not change that.

Edit: it's easy to throw around money that is not yours and have it not risk loosing your job.

That post makes no sense. What do you mean "we still need depth player". Leino and Helm are NHL ready and are going to be very good players..... better than Maltby and Kopecky. The players the Wings have coming up the pipeline are unbelievable and because of the depth on the team they have time to develop in Grand Rapids before they are called up. The Wings are the deepest team in the NHL!!!!!

And as I posted before..... signing Hossa, a less injury prone player than Z, to a 12 year contract is not risky at all. There is always retirement, LTIR, buyouts, trades, etc..... especially if the cap hit is only $6 mil or less.

If there was no cap Ilitch would be spending $90 million as we speak.... even in this economy..... winning the Stanley Cup has several benefits..... the revenues rise.... and the state of Michigan is NOT the only source of income!

[FLWINGSFAN4013 5]

Per Z conference from holland "5 to 6 weeks timeframe left to re-sign someone before playoffs start," and not start the car until July. I think Hossa likes this winning attitude this franchise places among its players and the sport, he takes the deal first before Franzen.

[gcom007 1,465]

Bye Flip. You're underwhelming. Sorry. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were better as rookies than you are now. Peace.

Draft picks are cool.

Go Hossa!

[Icesurfer 75]

Everyone is talking about trading Filppula and you are all ass-u-m-ing that another team would want to trade for him and his rising salary. A $3 million cap hit but salary of 2.5 > 3.5 >3.5 > 3.5.

If Detroit doesn't think Filppula is worth it or will improve what on earth makes you think that another smart GM will think otherwise.

OH..... I'm sorry.... I forgot..... we got one dump GM in the league who likes to go over the cap and his name is Brian Burkehead!!!!

Well Holland.... get on the phone to Toronto.

After all, Burke did the Wings a favor by taking Schneider and Bertuzzi off our hands.....LOL!

[Icesurfer 75]

Holland isn't even talking about resigning Hudler yet..... His next priority is either Hossa or Franzen and he says he will sign the player who in his opionion gives him the best deal for the money. And then if he is forced to move some salary via a trade he will......so then we are probably talking about trading Filppula.

[T.Low 1,011]

I want Hossa, Franzen, Hudler, Fillpula, Veino, Ericsson, Abdelkader, Helm,...I want it all. I guess that's why I'm a Red Wings fan in the first place.

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

IF Hossa were to decide to take $6m a year, I'd probably pass out in my living room.

But I don't think he will, either. He knows he's worth way more on the market. He has no emotional ties to Detroit the way some of these other players do. He's got virtually nothing to lose by signing for big bucks with someone else.

Yup, please see a guy like Ryan Smyth who loved playing in Edmonton and had big time emotional ties and still decided to leave. IMO Hossa will not even be close to the same negotiating that Smyth had.

[kylee 727]

Bye Flip. You're underwhelming. Sorry. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were better as rookies than you are now. Peace.

Draft picks are cool.

Go Hossa!

count me in!

if trading Flip means keeping Hossa, i dont see how anyone could be against that. Even if Flip were having a career year, id still move him if it means Hossa sticking around.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

Flip is over rated, he always gets killed on the ice, trade him kenny don't even think about it ... get a draft pick open that 3 millions and re-sign hossa and franzen ... the year after that will have our 8 million again to work with when Lidstrom's contract finishes

[40#1Fan 0]

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Hometown Discounts All Around?

by IwoCPO on 01/29/09 at 05:41 AM ET

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Not much time this morning but I do want to give you a little ditty to start your day. Yesterday I predicted the departure of Marian Hossa. Today, because it’s who I am, I’m taking that back. Based on this.

HSJ

“I definitely want to settle down long-term, too,” Hossa said. “It’s a great organization. Everyone is used to winning here, and you just want to be a part of it. It’s like big family here.”

Asked if he would take less, Hossa replied, “I’ll be able to let you know soon.”

Franzen also has said he’d like to stay.

These guys are sticking around too. Bet on it.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Yep, couldn't agree more. I've seen Babs throw Cleary in there a couple times.. and he gets the job done as well - but it's a lot easier for Franzen because he's a physical giant.. and he's not afraid of a face-washing every now and again. In fact, he welcomes it.

yep. if someone facewashes Franzenstein, they definitely have to get new gloves....and possibly stitches. our boy has some wicked choppers. and i agree. Franz in front of the net is the nezt best thing we have, after Homer.

[Winged_Wheeler 3]

Bye Flip. You're underwhelming. Sorry. Zetterberg and Datsyuk were better as rookies than you are now. Peace.

Draft picks are cool.

Go Hossa!

You're an idiot. Filppula plays just like Zetterberg and Datsyuk did when they were rookies.

[egroen 384]

To take another look at DiPietro's contract -- yes, it turned out to be a mistake.

But it would still be the same mistake if he was signed to even higher dollars at a shorter term, if not worse, which was the other option.

When a player goes on LTIR, you are allowed to exceed the cap by the same amount, so no worries there... and Zetterberg has already proven to be far more durable than DiPietro, despite missing a few games here and there due to his back. If either player retires, well that money comes off the books, so no worries there.

The big worry is that because of injuries they become a shadow of themselves, but are still playing at a level to hold a job in the NHL. At least with these long term contracts, you have less of a cap hit for them than you would normally would have. That is the risk, but in ths case, I feel the positives highly outweigh that risk.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Everyone is talking about trading Filppula and you are all ass-u-m-ing that another team would want to trade for him and his rising salary. A $3 million cap hit but salary of 2.5 > 3.5 >3.5 > 3.5.

If Detroit doesn't think Filppula is worth it or will improve what on earth makes you think that another smart GM will think otherwise.

OH..... I'm sorry.... I forgot..... we got one dump GM in the league who likes to go over the cap and his name is Brian Burkehead!!!!

Well Holland.... get on the phone to Toronto.

After all, Burke did the Wings a favor by taking Schneider and Bertuzzi off our hands.....LOL!

Filppula's role on the Wings does not equate to his role on the team that would trade for him. Thus, Filppula's value to another team exceeds his value to the Wings. For example, to a team like Buffalo that is in desperate need of a 2nd line forward with a good two-way game and good faceoff skills, his role would be much different - a top 6 role, complete with a likely 3 minutes on the PP and 18-20 minutes per game overall, considering he'd also be a top PKer. That role makes his salary at 3M applicable to his role.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

You're an idiot. Filppula plays just like Zetterberg and Datsyuk did when they were rookies.

No he doesn't. Not even close. In fact, Filppula as a third year player hasn't shown the same level of talent that Datsyuk and Zetterberg did as rookies.

[lets go pavel 2]

Filppula's role on the Wings does not equate to his role on the team that would trade for him. Thus, Filppula's value to another team exceeds his value to the Wings. For example, to a team like Buffalo that is in desperate need of a 2nd line forward with a good two-way game and good faceoff skills, his role would be much different - a top 6 role, complete with a likely 3 minutes on the PP and 18-20 minutes per game overall, considering he'd also be a top PKer. That role makes his salary at 3M applicable to his role.

You do realize that the role you're describing is the role he'd almost certainly be in now had we not signed Hossa, and that next year when we lose whoever it is we end up losing, that is the role he will probably fill?

No he doesn't. Not even close. In fact, Filppula as a third year player hasn't shown the same level of talent that Datsyuk and Zetterberg did as rookies.

So what? Since when is the determining factor as to a player's value whether or not they play at Hank and Pavel's level? We'd be trading away a lot more players than just Flip ...

[egroen 384]

You do realize that the role you're describing is the role he'd almost certainly be in now had we not signed Hossa, and that next year when we lose whoever it is we end up losing, that is the role he will probably fill?

So what? Since when is the determining factor as to a player's value whether or not they play at Hank and Pavel's level? We'd be trading away a lot more players than just Flip ...

Good points -- Filppula is not a bad player and he is not on a bad contract (though I do not think Younguns was stating that, but some are). He will be valuable to the Wings in the future if he stays.

In my opinion, he is expendable if it means we can keep guys like Hossa, Franzen and Hudler... but he'll be one of those guys I hope does really well (like Slava Kozlov), as opposed to someone like Lang or Williams, who I couldn't muster too many feelings over.

Edited January 29, 2009 by egroen