Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Does anyone else see something wrong with possibly letting Franzen walk being not able to pay him a 4 million contract when, his million plus Val's 3 million would keep him here? I like Val but Franzen is a better player and I like him way better. In fact I think most people do perfer the Mule to Filp. The Hockeynews blog online has suggested that we might even trade Franzen at the deadline to avoid losing him for nothing. If we are even considering it, then we should instead move Filp and keep Franzen. He is bigger stronger and actually shoots the puck. We need a power foward more then another skilled puck moving forward. Hell I would even rather keep Jiri for that role then Val. I am not looking to lose him, I just think that if given the choice between Franzen and Val Fil, it is no contest. I will be very sad to see Franzen in anything else then a winged wheel. Next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swede40 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 They are gonna have to do something...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 With Hossa gone we weill be able to afford Franzen. End of discussion really. Short term it makes sense to dump Filp and keep hossa, but long term, the way Holland thinks, with Hossa gone and probably Hudler being offered an offer sheet, we will be able to Keep the core intact. Filppula is going nowhere, name the last time Holland re-signed player to a long contract and then dealt him the following year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 If Hossa is really gone and doesn't stop or inhibit Hollands ability to sign Franzen, this still could be an issue in if we keep Jiri or maybe others on the roster. I have a hard time seeing how we can keep the players we should keep. Something does have to give. Just wondering aloud if Filppula is what gives? He really hasn't impressed this year either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 If Hossa is really gone and doesn't stop or inhibit Hollands ability to sign Franzen, this still could be an issue in if we keep Jiri or maybe others on the roster. I have a hard time seeing how we can keep the players we should keep. Something does have to give. Just wondering aloud if Filppula is what gives? He really hasn't impressed this year either. Offensively he has sucked this year, maybe it's due to his linemates or not getting any PP time like Hudler is, but his defensive play has been outstanding this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 I like flip, He does a lot of good things on the ice, but if I could deal him and keep Franzen and Hossa, I would. I would rather free up space by axing Draper and Maltby and using whoever out of GR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Another rubbish thread. Keep Flip, re-sign Franzen and Hudler. Hossa walks. Pretty simple stuff I would've thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNut 25 5 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Hossa HAS to be kept. He's the best all around player of the available free agents we will have. We need to trade Filppula because he is not worth the money he's getting. He's holding Franzen's contract. I think we can get Hudler for $2.5 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Offensively he has sucked this year, maybe it's due to his linemates or not getting any PP time like Hudler is, but his defensive play has been outstanding this year. Yeah, and Franzen is just as good defensively. I will say this Dallas game Fil is missing the net consistantly. I agree with you, he isn't getting the time and he is a quality player. I just don't know if we should keep in over someone else. Sammy has outplayed Val this year even... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Does anyone else see something wrong with possibly letting Franzen walk being not able to pay him a 4 million contract when, his million plus Val's 3 million would keep him here? I like Val but Franzen is a better player and I like him way better. In fact I think most people do perfer the Mule to Filp. The Hockeynews blog online has suggested that we might even trade Franzen at the deadline to avoid losing him for nothing. If we are even considering it, then we should instead move Filp and keep Franzen. He is bigger stronger and actually shoots the puck. We need a power foward more then another skilled puck moving forward. Hell I would even rather keep Jiri for that role then Val. I am not looking to lose him, I just think that if given the choice between Franzen and Val Fil, it is no contest. I will be very sad to see Franzen in anything else then a winged wheel. Next year. Filppula absolutely drives me nuts. Witness his game tonight against Dallas. Instead of taking open shots he tries to pass the puck and for the 10 milionth time, loses it. OR...he has a shot near the goal (2nd period) and fans on it. HE DOES NOT FINISH. I would not care if he left Detroit at the end of the game. Gawwd, he is inconsistent AND NOT HELPING!!! :flamingmad: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Does anyone else see something wrong with possibly letting Franzen walk being not able to pay him a 4 million contract when, his million plus Val's 3 million would keep him here? I like Val but Franzen is a better player and I like him way better. In fact I think most people do perfer the Mule to Filp. The Hockeynews blog online has suggested that we might even trade Franzen at the deadline to avoid losing him for nothing. If we are even considering it, then we should instead move Filp and keep Franzen. He is bigger stronger and actually shoots the puck. We need a power foward more then another skilled puck moving forward. Hell I would even rather keep Jiri for that role then Val. I am not looking to lose him, I just think that if given the choice between Franzen and Val Fil, it is no contest. I will be very sad to see Franzen in anything else then a winged wheel. Next year. If Franzen is going to sign for 4million (highly unlikely unless there is some serious term involved) the Wings won't let him walk- they'd be all over that. And no- they'd never trade a player at the deadline to avoid "losing them for nothing". Holland has said the multiple times. If someone like Franzen gets traded it's for a player that either improves the team or doesn't hurt it while helping long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Yeah, and Franzen is just as good defensively. I will say this Dallas game Fil is missing the net consistantly. I agree with you, he isn't getting the time and he is a quality player. I just don't know if we should keep in over someone else. Sammy has outplayed Val this year even... To miss the net you have to shoot at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwing_sparty 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 bottom line...flip sure as f*** ain;t worth his 3 mil a year so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzersyukstromberg 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I like Flip, but at this point, he continues to disappoint me. I know that people will try to blame it on ever-changing linemates, lack of PP time, and a lack of minutes, but one thing's clear; Val cannot finish. He's weak on the puck, and gives the puck away more than he makes a solid play with it. I personally can't see the value in keeping a guy like this when he's costing the Wings $3 mil/year against the cap. I'd be disappointed to see him go (I have a Filppula jersey) but I think it would be a good idea to try to free up some space by moving him while his prospects are still high and he's young. Edited January 30, 2009 by Yzersyukstromberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 At this rate, we need to think about goaltending more than anything. Do I think goaltending is our biggest problem? No. In my mind, its the defense. But its a lot easier to fix one player than it is to fix six, or an entire system. Next year with the prospect of Howard and Osgood as our duo doesn't look promising either. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Flip traded for a goaltender that is an upgrade over Osgood and Conklin and that we can retain past this year. As for what to do with Franzen, Hossa, Sammy, and Hudler, I'd just as soon retain Hudler and let the Hossa/Franzen situations play themselves out. If we can't re-sign either of them by July 1st, then I say look OUTSIDE the organization. Cammy? Sykora? Tanguay? Cole? Knuble? I'm not saying any of those guys are better options, but we might be forced to look at different options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Flip traded for a goaltender that is an upgrade over Osgood and Conklin and that we can retain past this year. A solid second line center that's young and responsible defensively isn't anything to sneeze at, so I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand, but I don't know what quality goalies the Wings would be able to get for Flip. Which is to say, are you just speaking hypothetically, or realistically? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krayzie_Bone 58 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 bottom line...flip sure as f*** ain;t worth his 3 mil a year so far. I agree. I think Helm could do just as good a job as Val does for alot cheaper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reilly 24 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 No team is going to trade for a 3 million dollar, under-performing player and not send salary the other way. I'd rather just keep Val in hopes he turns it around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 I agree with this thread, when it comes down to it he hasn't done much this year and i feel Helm, Leino or Abdelkader would fit in better and it would allow us to keep Hossa, Franzen and Huds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 Another rubbish thread. Keep Flip, re-sign Franzen and Hudler. Hossa walks. Pretty simple stuff I would've thought. what makes it a rubbish thread. What has Val done this year I forgot his 6 goals and 15 assists is lightin it up this year. :flush: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 I'm sure some dumb GM would trade for Flip, Lou, that new guy there at Toronto ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted January 30, 2009 what makes it a rubbish thread. What has Val done this year I forgot his 6 goals and 15 assists is lightin it up this year. :flush: Because a player's value can be completely and totally boiled down to two numbers. Yes, that makes perfect sense. It's why this board is so totally in love with Samuelsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted January 31, 2009 Because a player's value can be completely and totally boiled down to two numbers. Yes, that makes perfect sense. It's why this board is so totally in love with Samuelsson I hardly ever shoot praise for Samelsson but his goals and points double up Filppula's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 31, 2009 I think Flips gone. Even if they like him and get what's going on this year, you can bet your bottom dollar on the fact that they KNOW Franzen and/or Hossa is a better option. They know Flips proven to still be a gamble. I think they'll get out while they can and chase the guys who have turned potential into something tangible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 31, 2009 He needs to get traded imo, ignore the loyalty thing, filppula has only been here for three seasons, is the only finnish player etc, get it done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
