2009 NASCAR thread

[betterREDthandead 58]

I fail to see how a Cup driver winning a Nationwide race is cause for excitement, whether it's Shrub or Harvick or anybody. We wouldn't call it some kind of really great achievement if Sidney Crosby went down to the AHL and scored 150 goals, why do we celebrate major league drivers dominating the minor league?

If I had my way, any driver entered in the Cup race would forfeit his Nationwide points for the weekend. I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.

P.S., did you seriously capitalize "He" as if you're talking about the racing Jesus? What do you see in that guy besides "he wins"?

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!

it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!

It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.

Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..

and get out more.....

If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

Here it is a little bigger,

and he's taking his bow like he does when he WINS!!!!!!!!!

Edited July 20, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan

[Packer487 3]

I fail to see how a Cup driver winning a Nationwide race is cause for excitement, whether it's Shrub or Harvick or anybody. We wouldn't call it some kind of really great achievement if Sidney Crosby went down to the AHL and scored 150 goals, why do we celebrate major league drivers dominating the minor league?

If I had my way, any driver entered in the Cup race would forfeit his Nationwide points for the weekend. I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.

Agreed. I don't think they need to completely ban them, because the attendance/viewership would go right in the tank, but they need to do something about the Cup guys overrunning that series. Maybe either limit the number of Cup guys per race or limit how many races per year the Cup guys are allowed to race in? It's a dilemma for sure. Do you want to make money or develop young drivers?

I might be in the minority, but I love watching the kids try to work their way up. The Indy Lights series has some PHENOMENAL racing (their race at Indy might have been the best race I've seen all year in any series) and I don't need Tony Kanaan or Helio driving to be interested.

Here are the winners this year so far in the Nationwide series:

Shrub (6)

Logano (3)

Biffle (2)

Edwards (1)

Keselowski (1)

Bliss (1)

Harvick (1)

Ragan (1)

Kenseth (1)

Bowyer (1)

Stewart (1)

Out of 19 races, Mike Bliss is the only person who has won a race in the Nationwide circuit who has never won at the Cup level. He and Keselowski are the only non-Cup regulars to win a race this year (and they've run 6 and 7 races this year, respectively, and Keselowski has a win in Cup). If it weren't for Bliss and Ragan (and Harvick :flamingmad:) winning, it would be hard to tell that list from the list of Cup winners. There's a problem when the list of the winners in the "minor league" series looks like that.

They need to be getting guys like Cale Gale some seat time, rather than just having the Cup guys using the series as a glorified test session.

When guys like David Stremme still have rides in Cup, it means they aren't doing a good enough job of developing new talent to bring up.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Packer487

[betterREDthandead 58]

Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!

it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!

It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.

Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..

and get out more.....

If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

Here it is a little bigger,

and he's taking his bow like he does when he WINS!!!!!!!!!

Actually, no, I would not "of" posted here, because it's like I said: bullying the minor leaguers doesn't impress me. Heck, I wouldn't even have posted here.

By the way: "Weather" is what happens when it rains or snows or is sunny. You want "whether." I'd advise you to get out more too, since you're the one admitting you ran here and posted just to get a rise out of little ol' me (I'm pleased to have gotten in your head like that) but Shrub fans probably get their asses kicked at races.

I might be in the minority, but I love watching the kids try to work their way up. The Indy Lights series has some PHENOMENAL racing (their race at Indy might have been the best race I've seen all year in any series) and I don't need Tony Kanaan or Helio driving to be interested.

I remember having a lot of fun watching the Indy Lights whenever I'd go to the Grand Prix on Belle Isle. You're right, it probably is a minority, but I'd be a lot more interested in Nationwide if it actually showcased the drivers who don't otherwise get a spotlight.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I have another rant: start-and-parkers. These guys drive me up a wall. The 36 and 66 teams are especially guilty of it - it's all they do. I think Gilliland has been doing it on and off too. I say bravo to Scott Riggs for refusing to drive that way; he took himself out of the 36 car because they asked him to start and park too much.

To me, it takes away spots from teams that are much more deserving. I get that NASCAR wants the little-guy teams to have a shot, but when you get to the point where you can't compete except by not racing, you shouldn't be competing. Look at Dexter Bean - guy's attempted a whole bunch of races this year and made only one, but he finished the race. That's the kind of team that ought to be out there - I'd rather see a slower car actually make an effort than one that uses up a spot and won't race.

What they ought to do is something like, if you don't complete half or three-quarters of the laps, you only get prorated prize money. Drive 10 laps of a 200-lap race? Fine, you get 5% of what you'd have gotten. NASCAR can hand out waivers for being crashed out of a race in a wreck that wasn't your fault. This probably bugs me more than anyone else, but I just hate having my intelligence insulted by hearing that the 66 car has once again developed "handling problems" for the fifth race in a row.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

Actually, no, I would not "of" posted here, because it's like I said: bullying the minor leaguers doesn't impress me. Heck, I wouldn't even have posted here.

By the way: "Weather" is what happens when it rains or snows or is sunny. You want "whether." I'd advise you to get out more too, since you're the one admitting you ran here and posted just to get a rise out of little ol' me (I'm pleased to have gotten in your head like that) but Shrub fans probably get their asses kicked at races.

I remember having a lot of fun watching the Indy Lights whenever I'd go to the Grand Prix on Belle Isle. You're right, it probably is a minority, but I'd be a lot more interested in Nationwide if it actually showcased the drivers who don't otherwise get a spotlight.

If your attacks are gonna be only on the fact that my grammar is not perfect..... you win...... I'll concede

even my spelling... Ill give you that too.... but you obviously knew what I meant....

I did notice that you had nothing more to say about my main point in the post tho...

also If I wanted to run here to post just to tick you off it would not of taken me 18 hours after the race to do so...

Your not in my head sir.... but your hate for me and Kyle Busch is rather amusing to me....

keep it up..

its kinda fun... Its like a trigger....I say Kyle and you get pissed... ready?? KYLE!!!!!!

Why would any fans be in personal danger?

Because of the driver they like to cheer for? Is that how YOU are at sporting events?

thats a classy attitude to have about a driver and their fans....

Ya know these forums are here for fans to post, not for everyone to be a freaking drone and like the same people and the same manufacturer. you have taken offense to everything I have said because its about a driver YOU don't like and

a manufacturer YOU don't like.... GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!! this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!!

If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.

As for your intelligence being insulted, Id say you have very little if all you can do is comment on a persons spelling and use punctuation... that's easy for anyone to do.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan

[betterREDthandead 58]

If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.

As for your intelligence being insulted, Id say you have very little if all you can do is comment on a persons spelling and use punctuation... that's easy for anyone to do.

You've got a long and distinguished history of not paying attention to anything I say, and picking and choosing what you want to hear out of my post, I figured you wouldn't even notice me correcting your spelling.

And I never said anything about stopping you from posting Shrub pictures. You've gone from ignoring what I say to inventing stuff I didn't say.

But since you asked, I bet I can find something wrong with everything you said in the post, and not even have to correct your spelling to do it:

Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

Here we go with the inventing of things I didn't say. For example, I didn't say you're not allowed to post about Nationwide stuff.

the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

Indeed. You do tend to make those.

and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!

it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!

You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.

Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Actually, since NASCAR operates both series, it would be very easy to ban a driver from driving in both series on the same weekend. Nothing to it. After all, you yourself pointed out earlier that they're both NASCAR, in one of the few correct things you said in the whole post.

Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..

and get out more.....

No, every driver does not have a right to work. There's no such thing.

If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

I told you already, I would not have posted here if JPM had won the race. This is what I mean by you cherry-picking stuff I say. All you did was whine about me correcting your spelling, and then claimed I didn't rebut anything you said.

How long does it take you to come up with these essays anyway? The ones where you claim it doesn't bother you that I hate your favorite driver?

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Maybe now Busch will stop crying about his little crash?

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

You've got a long and distinguished history of not paying attention to anything I say, and picking and choosing what you want to hear out of my post, I figured you wouldn't even notice me correcting your spelling.

And I never said anything about stopping you from posting Shrub pictures. You've gone from ignoring what I say to inventing stuff I didn't say.

Never said you did.........Why am not allowed to make general comments without them reflecting something YOU say?

But since you asked, I bet I can find something wrong with everything you said in the post, and not even have to correct your spelling to do it:

Here we go with the inventing of things I didn't say. For example, I didn't say you're not allowed to post about Nationwide stuff

Then why did you feel you had to interject (And take that bait) when I posted to begin with?

Indeed. You do tend to make those.

You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

But you were dumb enough to take it!

Actually, since NASCAR operates both series, it would be very easy to ban a driver from driving in both series on the same weekend. Nothing to it. After all, you yourself pointed out earlier that they're both NASCAR, in one of the few correct things you said in the whole post.

2 different series under the same sanctioning body.. Nothing about who can drive for who is in the rule book

so yes they have every right to drive for who ever hires them

No, every driver does not have a right to work. There's no such thing.

Yes they do. if someone hires them.....and if they already have a ride in a different series.. oh freaking well

I told you already, I would not have posted here if JPM had won the race. This is what I mean by you cherry-picking stuff I say. All you did was whine about me correcting your spelling, and then claimed I didn't rebut anything you said.

How long does it take you to come up with these essays anyway? The ones where you claim it doesn't bother you that I hate your favorite driver?

Your taking comments I make that have nothing to do with anything you said and trying to turn them into something.. They had no bearing on what you say..and now EVERY comment I make has to reflect something you say now?

again GET OVER YOURSELF

You've gone from fact finding to inventing..... Show where I specifically stated you told me I could not post pictures.... Show where I named YOU and said you said I could not post pictures...?

I showed my support for a driver and you jumped on me. not the other way around.

I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

for someone with all these issues on how NASCAR should be run....Why are you wasting your ideas here? why not waste the time of NASCAR and E-Mail them with your FAN friendly ideas......?

"NO!!! the popular drivers can only race in one series....." HA HA HA

good luck getting MORE tickets sold with the Sprint Cup guys OUT of the grid.

Edited July 20, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan

[betterREDthandead 58]

Your taking comments I make that have nothing to do with anything you said and trying to turn them into something.. They had no bearing on what you say..and now EVERY comment I make has to reflect something you say now?

again GET OVER YOURSELF

You said them to me in response to what I said.

You've gone from fact finding to inventing..... Show where I specifically stated you told me I could not post pictures.... Show where I named YOU and said you said I could not post pictures...?

Does this ring a bell?

If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.

Again - you said that to me. What exactly are you defying?

I showed my support for a driver and you jumped on me. not the other way around.

I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

Actually this started after I said how much I loved it that Kyle Busch crashed out of the race. Then you jumped in. Go read the thread and stop revising history. Unless you're talking about my response to you from over a month ago, in which case it sounds like you're the one who needs to let it go.

"NO!!! the popular drivers can only race in one series....." HA HA HA

good luck getting MORE tickets sold with the Sprint Cup guys OUT of the grid.

Pretty damn sure I already acknowledged that part. Again with the selective reading. And if you think I literally meant only Junior, look up "metaphor" in the dictionary.

I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.

You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

But you were dumb enough to take it!

Personal attacks, too? Really?

I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

Yup, really.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

You said them to me in response to what I said.

Does this ring a bell?

Again - you said that to me. What exactly are you defying?

Actually this started after I said how much I loved it that Kyle Busch crashed out of the race. Then you jumped in. Go read the thread and stop revising history. Unless you're talking about my response to you from over a month ago, in which case it sounds like you're the one who needs to let it go.

Pretty damn sure I already acknowledged that part. Again with the selective reading. And if you think I literally meant only Junior, look up "metaphor" in the dictionary.

Personal attacks, too? Really?

Yup, really.

only if you take it that way... Your the one who shuns people for not being a clone of YOU....

Which if there were any more than one... We'd all be in trouble... say all you want... Im not backing down...

I have no reason.

better double up on your heart attack meds too ... sounds like your having a hissy...... Hmm Like Kyle when he gets dumped. WHEN he gets dumped......not makes a stupid mistake. just wanted to be clear on that, I do not think he's anymore a whiner than any other driver who THINKS they got wrecked.... Like Vickers in the 500.

try not to look into every word someone says so much.... sometimes you need to not be so literal...

but rest assured Ill be here posting EVERY time Kyle wins.... should happen at least 3 more times.

as for you... I hope your not as critical towards your friends like that... Its not healthy to be so angry towards something you cant control....

Edited July 21, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Busch fell back to 14th in the standings.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

Busch fell back to 14th in the standings.

And I think JPM got hosed... I felt sooooo bad for him @ Indy...

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

And I think JPM got hosed... I felt sooooo bad for him @ Indy...

I didn't.

[betterREDthandead 58]

And I think JPM got hosed... I felt sooooo bad for him @ Indy...

Nah, I hate to say it, but I don't think he got hosed. If the monitors all say he was over the limit, he was over the limit.

I don't like NASCAR's attitude about warnings: they say they won't issue them if the drivers are close to the limit because "the drivers should know." They come off like the "gotcha" cops who are issuing speeding tickets for the revenue. The point is safety on pit row for the crewmen, not to play gotcha with speeders. They ought to issue some kind of notice, even if it's totally non-punitive, to the drivers in the 5 MPH window.

Still - over the line is over the line. It sucks, but them's the rules.

[Packer487 3]

What the hell did they do to Pocono? That was actually an entertaining race! I can't remember the last time I said that about a race there. Usually I'm wishing they'd bulldoze that place and give the races to Darlington and Iowa (which is an AWESOME track). Or just build a clone of Richmond and give them both races.

How much longer til David Stremme is out of a ride? He's now had one TOP TWENTY finish in his last 13 races. That guy has as much business being in Cup as me. Stremme can go around there wrecking people every week and yet we can't find a way for Aric Almirola to actually get to drive once in awhile?

Speaking of Davids that suck, chalk another two wrecks up for David Ragan. I've never seen Bobby Labonte that pissed off. I was really hoping that when they interviewed him he'd be like "I never say anything bad about anybody, but that guy is a joke." He's a danger. I can't believe Rousch is sticking with him and pawning of McMurray (who ain't a great driver himself).

[betterREDthandead 58]

What the hell did they do to Pocono? That was actually an entertaining race! I can't remember the last time I said that about a race there. Usually I'm wishing they'd bulldoze that place and give the races to Darlington and Iowa (which is an AWESOME track). Or just build a clone of Richmond and give them both races.

How much longer til David Stremme is out of a ride? He's now had one TOP TWENTY finish in his last 13 races. That guy has as much business being in Cup as me. Stremme can go around there wrecking people every week and yet we can't find a way for Aric Almirola to actually get to drive once in awhile?

Speaking of Davids that suck, chalk another two wrecks up for David Ragan. I've never seen Bobby Labonte that pissed off. I was really hoping that when they interviewed him he'd be like "I never say anything bad about anybody, but that guy is a joke." He's a danger. I can't believe Rousch is sticking with him and pawning of McMurray (who ain't a great driver himself).

I really like Robby Gordon, but given his history it takes a REALLY bad driver doing a REALLY bonehead thing to be the one blamed for a dustup involving Robby.

Totally agree about Pocono. LAME. Give it one race a year and give the other to Iowa or a second date in Darlington. (But any race with JPM in the top five is a big plus in my book. Too bad he didn't quite have enough for Hamlin.)

I think Ragan is being kept at Roush because he's still only 23 and he really did have a pretty good season last year. I mean, for all the talk about how young Logano is, Ragan's not that much older. Besides, UPS probably was promised some continuity when they signed up with RFR. McMurray's pretty much hit his stride and isn't going to improve much over what he does now. He'd be a great driver for a second-tier team that needs the decent revenue he brings in with his usual 15-20 finishes.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

McMurray's pretty much hit his stride and isn't going to improve much over what he does now. He'd be a great driver for a second-tier team that needs the decent revenue he brings in with his usual 15-20 finishes.

When McMurray won his first race ever subbing for Sterling Marlin and he was covered in hype I always said the hype wasn't worth it, and he was the next Steve Park/Mike Skinner. Pretty much looks like he is turning out that way.

[Packer487 3]

I really like Robby Gordon, but given his history it takes a REALLY bad driver doing a REALLY bonehead thing to be the one blamed for a dustup involving Robby.

Totally agree about Pocono. LAME. Give it one race a year and give the other to Iowa or a second date in Darlington. (But any race with JPM in the top five is a big plus in my book. Too bad he didn't quite have enough for Hamlin.)

I think Ragan is being kept at Roush because he's still only 23 and he really did have a pretty good season last year. I mean, for all the talk about how young Logano is, Ragan's not that much older. Besides, UPS probably was promised some continuity when they signed up with RFR. McMurray's pretty much hit his stride and isn't going to improve much over what he does now. He'd be a great driver for a second-tier team that needs the decent revenue he brings in with his usual 15-20 finishes.

I'm pretty sure Stremme is the worst driver in the series. I really am shocked that Penske hasn't pulled the plug on him yet.

I was rooting for Montoya to get it done too. But how great was his interview with Vince Welch after the race? "Kasey Kahne came down and had some angry words for you after the race. What'd he say?" "I think you take everything the wrong way! He came to apologize! Thanks a lot!" Juan was pissed.

[Packer487 3]

I'm pretty sure Stremme is the worst driver in the series. I really am shocked that Penske hasn't pulled the plug on him yet.

I'm going to go ahead and put this out there: David Stremme is the worst driver on a quality team that I have seen since I started watching Nascar about 18 years ago. I'm not so sure he's not the worst driver I've seen in Nascar period. Five years in the series and he has THREE Top 10 finishes....

This isn't funny anymore. That guy is an absolute joke. As soon as Penske finally pulls the plug, that's going to be the last you'll ever see of him in the Sprint Cup Series. He's never getting another ride, and the sooner he's gone, the better.

You say Ragan has potential, I've got no problem with that (even though he wrecks about 1 car a race). Stremme is what he is, and he's a God-awful Cup driver. He ain't getting any better. Hell, he's never even won a race in the NATIONWIDE series. He has no business being in Sprint Cup, especially not for a guy like Roger Penske.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Packer487

[betterREDthandead 58]

I'm going to go ahead and put this out there: David Stremme is the worst driver on a quality team that I have seen since I started watching Nascar about 18 years ago. I'm not so sure he's not the worst driver I've seen in Nascar period. Five years in the series and he has THREE Top 10 finishes....

This isn't funny anymore. That guy is an absolute joke. As soon as Penske finally pulls the plug, that's going to be the last you'll ever see of him in the Sprint Cup Series. He's never getting another ride, and the sooner he's gone, the better.

You say Ragan has potential, I've got no problem with that (even though he wrecks about 1 car a race). Stremme is what he is, and he's a God-awful Cup driver. He ain't getting any better. Hell, he's never even won a race in the NATIONWIDE series. He has no business being in Sprint Cup, especially not for a guy like Roger Penske.

Honestly, I keep looking for someone that might be as bad or worse and I can't find one. I'm pretty convinced. Wrecked Harvick today, didn't he?

All I know is that if next year starts and guys like Stremme and Scott Speed still have full-time rides and Brad Keselowski still does not, something is seriously wrong. I'm biased because Keselowski is the only Cup driver from Michigan and I'm always pulling for him, but it's obvious he's got major-league talent and if some team somewhere can't find room for him even with the yutzes that are in rides today, that's messed up. Maybe the 1 car, then he can still run Chevys like he plans to in Nationwide. That'd make EGR into a pretty damn solid team, and obviously it'd basically be my runaway favorite.

[Packer487 3]

Honestly, I keep looking for someone that might be as bad or worse and I can't find one. I'm pretty convinced. Wrecked Harvick today, didn't he?

All I know is that if next year starts and guys like Stremme and Scott Speed still have full-time rides and Brad Keselowski still does not, something is seriously wrong. I'm biased because Keselowski is the only Cup driver from Michigan and I'm always pulling for him, but it's obvious he's got major-league talent and if some team somewhere can't find room for him even with the yutzes that are in rides today, that's messed up. Maybe the 1 car, then he can still run Chevys like he plans to in Nationwide. That'd make EGR into a pretty damn solid team, and obviously it'd basically be my runaway favorite.

Yes he did, and yes I'm pissed about it.

ESPN's chat was hilarious. Three questions in a row:

Deuce (Denver)

Do you think Roger Penske would have Stremme split the 12 later in the season to give Allgaier some seat time and experience?

David Newton

(2:31 PM)

Not a bad idea. He'd like to get Keselowski in that ride for next season as well.

Maxx (reno)

if stremme is so bad why not bring algiar up already?

David Newton

(2:32 PM)

Wow, two Stremme needs to be replaced questions in a row. See below.

Michael Waltrip (Michigan Int'l)

Am I still the worst driver in Nascar? or have I been passed by Stremme? And who else in in the conversation for worst driver??

David Newton

(2:33 PM)

You're at Michigan a bit early. Too funny. And Stremme is stealing Waltrip's limelight, so to speak.

Newton also made his prediction for Michigan: Something along the lines of "A Roush car will win and David Stremme will wreck somebody."

I started a thread on Harvick's message board asking the same question I posted here: Is there anyone worse currently--and has there been anyone worst in the past 20 years than Stremme. Some really interesting responses/stats:

http://fancentral.kevinharvick.com/forum/t...orse-than-david

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

HEY KYLE BUSCH, QUIT CRYING BECAUSE YOU FINISHED 3RD IN A NATIONWIDE RACE!!! QUIT BEING A CROSBY!

[Packer487 3]

::snicker:: I was just coming here to post the same thing.

Vickers: "I'm sorry...I forgot it was the Kyle Busch show. I thought we were racing for a win. He started crying like a little baby and I told him to give me a minute to get out and we could talk about it like men. If he wanted to fight, that's fine with me. Then I got out of the car and he ran off."

Why does Kyle Busch think that he has a God-given right to be the winner every single week? It gets funnier and funnier every time he comes up short. It's so funny to watch him ***** and moan even when he gets a podium. The best part was he sarcastically said something along the lines of "I know I'm just whining and crying....." Uhh...yeah. That's exactly what you were doing, dbag.

Congrats to Keselowski! Not a bad week for him. Wins at his home track and he gets to watch practice of his favorite college football team, the Meeeeeechigan Wolverines.

Edited August 15, 2009 by Packer487

[betterREDthandead 58]

So much for all those gushing articles about how he was maturing because he went a whole race or two without bitching out his crew or smashing a trophy. Don't forget the part where Vickers accused him, probably truthfully, of bashing in his fender after the race.