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#41 Hockeytown_Ryan

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 07:15 PM

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I can't really be too upset at Gilliland for that even though JPM's my driver. A small part of the reason I like Montoya is he did that same thing to Shrub last year at New Hampshire. I don't mind aggressive racing, even over-aggressive racing. The difference I guess is that Montoya pulled his stunt under caution, and Gilliland wrecked Montoya under green when it had no bearing on the winner.

Honestly, I don't really fault Shrub for driving the way he did, nor Stewart either. "That's racin'," as they say. If he drove like that without the attitude (and not in a Toyota) I might actually be a fan. Yeah, the wreck was his "fault" but I don't think NASCAR drivers should settle for second for the sake of avoiding a wreck.

Oh, and yes: Stremme's a yutz. Penske's got cash: he ought to have been going hard after someone like Keselowski, or tried this year to snap up Truex before MWR got to him. I was disappointed in the Stremme hire the moment it was announced. I really want to see Keselowski in a full-time ride ASAP; Penske would have been smart to try. Actually what I'm hoping for now is to see Keselowski replace Truex in the 1 car for EGR. (And for EGR to stick with Chevy. I'll be beside myself if I have to go find yet another favorite driver because two years in a row my favorite ends up in a Toyota.)


Why do you hate Toyota so much?

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 07:30 PM

I wanted Busch to win,but having Tony win isn't bad ether.I used to hate the guy,but I've really grown to like him these past few years,with going to his own team and such.My boy Kahne was running good until he smacked the 18 at the line.Aj had a up and down night,Sorrenson,god don't even get me started,and Sadler was decent in 10th.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 08:36 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ July 8, 2009 - 08:29AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't really be too upset at Gilliland for that even though JPM's my driver. A small part of the reason I like Montoya is he did that same thing to Shrub last year at New Hampshire. I don't mind aggressive racing, even over-aggressive racing. The difference I guess is that Montoya pulled his stunt under caution, and Gilliland wrecked Montoya under green when it had no bearing on the winner.


See, I think those were two completely different things (and not just because I like JPM and hate Shrub). It's one thing entirely to spin someone (like, knocking them in the left rear) under yellow on a short track. It's another to crank your car down into someone on the backstretch at Texas (or whatever cookie cutter fast track they were at). Especially when you drill them in the right rear and put them head on into the wall. There are plenty of ways to get back at someone on track without risking their life. I don't think it's overly dramatic to say that he easily could've killed JPM. That wreck was a helluva lot worse than the one that killed Earnhardt (granted the cars are safer).

I think Nascar has been way too lax about people who intentionally cause wrecks. Yeah, they tossed Gilliland from the race. Yippee do. They should have parked him for the season. Jarrett intentionally wrecked Newman at Richmond a few years back and ended up taking out at least one of the guys who was competing for a spot in the Chase. They penalized him like 5 laps. Too bad he was like 3 laps behind the car in front of him and 10 laps ahead of the car behind him. It didn't cost him a single position.

I've always found it really amusing that you can intentionally wreck someone and you get a slap on the wrist. If you swear on TV though? That's 100,000 and 25 points.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 06:09 AM

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Why do you hate Toyota so much?

Various reasons. Primary among them is that I'm a loyal Detroiter and no loyal Detroiter worth a damn ought to be rooting for a Toyota car to win a race. I hate Toyota cars themselves, they're bland, style-less appliances IMO. And their racing heritage is a joke IMO. Check out the pace cars. Whenever Chevy supplies a pace car, it's a Camaro or a Corvette. Ford pace cars are Mustangs. Dodge pace cars are Challengers or occasionally Vipers. Toyota supplies tracks with a hybrid Camry. A Camry?

Why shouldn't I hate Toyota, really? It's no different from the old ways of NASCAR which still exist for a lot of people to this day, where there are Chevy folks who wouldn't dream in a million years of buying or rooting for a Ford, and vice versa. In my case it's American companies vs. foreign ones.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 06:37 PM

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Various reasons. Primary among them is that I'm a loyal Detroiter and no loyal Detroiter worth a damn ought to be rooting for a Toyota car to win a race. I hate Toyota cars themselves, they're bland, style-less appliances IMO. And their racing heritage is a joke IMO. Check out the pace cars. Whenever Chevy supplies a pace car, it's a Camaro or a Corvette. Ford pace cars are Mustangs. Dodge pace cars are Challengers or occasionally Vipers. Toyota supplies tracks with a hybrid Camry. A Camry?

Why shouldn't I hate Toyota, really? It's no different from the old ways of NASCAR which still exist for a lot of people to this day, where there are Chevy folks who wouldn't dream in a million years of buying or rooting for a Ford, and vice versa. In my case it's American companies vs. foreign ones.


Whew.. I thought it was because they were a foreign car....

Cause I was gonna say... You do know that Juan Pablo Montoya...isnt American...just wondering why Mexicans are OK but Toyota is the bad guy here?

I get what your saying about the Coolness of the pace cars and their line of cars in general...but the Cars on the track are all the same....... so the different model cars are pretty much Moot .... Ford races the Fusion..not a Mustang.... you know what I mean.

And there are good Detroiters that like the sport and want a Toyota driver to win because they like the Driver..

Ive been a Kyle Busch fan since he was with Hendrick..(CHEVY) and he went to JGR, THEN they switched to Toyota...so just because a team changes manufacturers does not mean i am gonna be so shallow to hate said driver.....

But as long as the driver drives a American car, I guess it doesnt matter that a mexican is taking a American job away eh? Thats cool by me... Your the one with the double standard....

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 10:18 AM

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Whew.. I thought it was because they were a foreign car....

Cause I was gonna say... You do know that Juan Pablo Montoya...isnt American...just wondering why Mexicans are OK but Toyota is the bad guy here?

I get what your saying about the Coolness of the pace cars and their line of cars in general...but the Cars on the track are all the same....... so the different model cars are pretty much Moot .... Ford races the Fusion..not a Mustang.... you know what I mean.

And there are good Detroiters that like the sport and want a Toyota driver to win because they like the Driver..

Ive been a Kyle Busch fan since he was with Hendrick..(CHEVY) and he went to JGR, THEN they switched to Toyota...so just because a team changes manufacturers does not mean i am gonna be so shallow to hate said driver.....

But as long as the driver drives a American car, I guess it doesnt matter that a mexican is taking a American job away eh? Thats cool by me... Your the one with the double standard....

First - educate yourself: Montoya's not Mexican. I get your point but you come across uninformed like that. What is this, a world where everyone with a Spanish-sounding name is Mexican?

Second - where did I say I hate a driver because he's in a Toyota? This goes back to that thing where you don't read what I say, except for the parts that are convenient. I gave you plenty of reasons why Kyle Busch is a cockhole, and in none of those posts did I say "Toyota." P.S. Reason #47: he thinks Tony Stewart "dumped" him when the whole damn world, including his fans, could see Kyle's wreck was Kyle's fault. But no, in Kyle's world, nothing is Kyle's fault.

Third - when did I say it was about "jobs"? Is every American vs. foreign thing about "jobs"? I guess I'm supposed to hate the Wings, in your book, because of all the Swedish guys coming over and playing on an American team.

Fourth - Ford doesn't "race" the Fusion - you ought to know by now that none of those cars are Fusions, Impalas, Chargers, or Camrys any more than they're Greyhound buses. By now the labels on the cars are the same thing as every other label on the car: advertisements. The engine is the only thing; and that said, hating Toyota means rooting against them so those advertisement efforts go to waste. It doesn't mean I hate the driver, like you seem to think: it means I want the company's efforts to be wasted. Sorry for the driver, but oh well. In your world, I guess I'd be a Kyle fan if JGR switched back to Chevy. Sorry, no dice.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 11:31 AM

Busch is stupid, if he doesn't like getting hit and getting wrecked then don't race. I am sorry, I wouldn't mind him if he wouldn't make a big deal when he gets into a crash. He needs to just move on and look forward to the next race.

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Posted 14 July 2009 - 07:51 PM

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First - educate yourself: Montoya's not Mexican. I get your point but you come across uninformed like that. What is this, a world where everyone with a Spanish-sounding name is Mexican?

Second - where did I say I hate a driver because he's in a Toyota? This goes back to that thing where you don't read what I say, except for the parts that are convenient. I gave you plenty of reasons why Kyle Busch is a cockhole, and in none of those posts did I say "Toyota." P.S. Reason #47: he thinks Tony Stewart "dumped" him when the whole damn world, including his fans, could see Kyle's wreck was Kyle's fault. But no, in Kyle's world, nothing is Kyle's fault.

Third - when did I say it was about "jobs"? Is every American vs. foreign thing about "jobs"? I guess I'm supposed to hate the Wings, in your book, because of all the Swedish guys coming over and playing on an American team.

Fourth - Ford doesn't "race" the Fusion - you ought to know by now that none of those cars are Fusions, Impalas, Chargers, or Camrys any more than they're Greyhound buses. By now the labels on the cars are the same thing as every other label on the car: advertisements. The engine is the only thing; and that said, hating Toyota means rooting against them so those advertisement efforts go to waste. It doesn't mean I hate the driver, like you seem to think: it means I want the company's efforts to be wasted. Sorry for the driver, but oh well. In your world, I guess I'd be a Kyle fan if JGR switched back to Chevy. Sorry, no dice.


OK OK he's Columbian.....Same Difference

Busch didnt get dumped in my eyes in Daytona...Busch Screwed the pooch... if he cant see he did thats his own issue I still like the guy.... He wins... more so than most over rated drivers in the circuit.

and yes.. you did make a issue of Foreign Vs American. the only reason I brought up JPM and where he's from.... If its a foreign issue which you made pretty clear it was.... I just didnt understand why you cheer for a foreign driver...

dont get me wrong.. I don't like seeing anyone get dumped, WHEN IT HAPPENDS,

But I think if your a fan of a sport....it shouldnt matter what manufacturers are involved, Its cool to hate drivers, Everyone has their favorites to like and dis-like. Obviously Im the only one who like Kyle Busch.... Oh well.. Deal with it . just like I have to deal with hearing about how JR is a Racing God....from 90% of the NASCAR fans I know personally... (IMO- He is over-rated a bit)

Dont EVEN.....EVEN....compare Hockey to NASCAR. thats just wrong.... I never made a comparison to Hockey.. YOU DID.... 2 totally different sports....and totally different genres of fans. The one thing you and I will agree on..the Wings rule ......

Sounds like to me your a Nascar fan with a interest in Hockey and Im a Hockey fan with a interest in Nascar.
not tryin to be insulting.... please read it like a metaphor... just sayin. enjoy the rest of the Season and Go Kyle!!!!!



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Posted 16 July 2009 - 10:28 AM

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Sounds like to me your a Nascar fan with a interest in Hockey and Im a Hockey fan with a interest in Nascar.

I don't know how you figure that. But whatever.

Anyway, Jeremy Mayfield: Dude tested positive again. I don't know who's telling the truth between him and NASCAR, but it seems clear to me that there's no middle ground here. Either NASCAR is off on a vile, idiotic smear crusade, or Mayfield is a lying sack of s***. Two tests now, and the stepmother, lined up against him. NASCAR should take this stuff to an independent lab to settle it; if they're confident it's a positive test that couldn't be anything but meth, they should be OK with a little verification.
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Posted 19 July 2009 - 05:19 PM




WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

I know its only a Nationwide race right????? But He won..




AGAIN!!!!!

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 05:43 PM

I fail to see how a Cup driver winning a Nationwide race is cause for excitement, whether it's Shrub or Harvick or anybody. We wouldn't call it some kind of really great achievement if Sidney Crosby went down to the AHL and scored 150 goals, why do we celebrate major league drivers dominating the minor league?

If I had my way, any driver entered in the Cup race would forfeit his Nationwide points for the weekend. I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.

P.S., did you seriously capitalize "He" as if you're talking about the racing Jesus? What do you see in that guy besides "he wins"?
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Posted 19 July 2009 - 08:44 PM

Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!
it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!


It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.
Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..
and get out more.....

If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

Here it is a little bigger,
and he's taking his bow like he does when he WINS!!!!!!!!!


Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 19 July 2009 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2009 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ July 19, 2009 - 05:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how a Cup driver winning a Nationwide race is cause for excitement, whether it's Shrub or Harvick or anybody. We wouldn't call it some kind of really great achievement if Sidney Crosby went down to the AHL and scored 150 goals, why do we celebrate major league drivers dominating the minor league?

If I had my way, any driver entered in the Cup race would forfeit his Nationwide points for the weekend. I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.


Agreed. I don't think they need to completely ban them, because the attendance/viewership would go right in the tank, but they need to do something about the Cup guys overrunning that series. Maybe either limit the number of Cup guys per race or limit how many races per year the Cup guys are allowed to race in? It's a dilemma for sure. Do you want to make money or develop young drivers?

I might be in the minority, but I love watching the kids try to work their way up. The Indy Lights series has some PHENOMENAL racing (their race at Indy might have been the best race I've seen all year in any series) and I don't need Tony Kanaan or Helio driving to be interested.

Here are the winners this year so far in the Nationwide series:
Shrub (6)
Logano (3)
Biffle (2)
Edwards (1)
Keselowski (1)
Bliss (1)
Harvick (1)
Ragan (1)
Kenseth (1)
Bowyer (1)
Stewart (1)

Out of 19 races, Mike Bliss is the only person who has won a race in the Nationwide circuit who has never won at the Cup level. He and Keselowski are the only non-Cup regulars to win a race this year (and they've run 6 and 7 races this year, respectively, and Keselowski has a win in Cup). If it weren't for Bliss and Ragan (and Harvick flamingmad.gif) winning, it would be hard to tell that list from the list of Cup winners. There's a problem when the list of the winners in the "minor league" series looks like that.

They need to be getting guys like Cale Gale some seat time, rather than just having the Cup guys using the series as a glorified test session.

When guys like David Stremme still have rides in Cup, it means they aren't doing a good enough job of developing new talent to bring up.

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE (Hockeytown_Ryan @ July 19, 2009 - 09:44PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!
it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!


It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.
Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..
and get out more.....

If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

Here it is a little bigger,
and he's taking his bow like he does when he WINS!!!!!!!!!

Actually, no, I would not "of" posted here, because it's like I said: bullying the minor leaguers doesn't impress me. Heck, I wouldn't even have posted here.

By the way: "Weather" is what happens when it rains or snows or is sunny. You want "whether." I'd advise you to get out more too, since you're the one admitting you ran here and posted just to get a rise out of little ol' me (I'm pleased to have gotten in your head like that) but Shrub fans probably get their asses kicked at races.

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I might be in the minority, but I love watching the kids try to work their way up. The Indy Lights series has some PHENOMENAL racing (their race at Indy might have been the best race I've seen all year in any series) and I don't need Tony Kanaan or Helio driving to be interested.

I remember having a lot of fun watching the Indy Lights whenever I'd go to the Grand Prix on Belle Isle. You're right, it probably is a minority, but I'd be a lot more interested in Nationwide if it actually showcased the drivers who don't otherwise get a spotlight.
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Posted 20 July 2009 - 07:36 AM

I have another rant: start-and-parkers. These guys drive me up a wall. The 36 and 66 teams are especially guilty of it - it's all they do. I think Gilliland has been doing it on and off too. I say bravo to Scott Riggs for refusing to drive that way; he took himself out of the 36 car because they asked him to start and park too much.

To me, it takes away spots from teams that are much more deserving. I get that NASCAR wants the little-guy teams to have a shot, but when you get to the point where you can't compete except by not racing, you shouldn't be competing. Look at Dexter Bean - guy's attempted a whole bunch of races this year and made only one, but he finished the race. That's the kind of team that ought to be out there - I'd rather see a slower car actually make an effort than one that uses up a spot and won't race.

What they ought to do is something like, if you don't complete half or three-quarters of the laps, you only get prorated prize money. Drive 10 laps of a 200-lap race? Fine, you get 5% of what you'd have gotten. NASCAR can hand out waivers for being crashed out of a race in a wreck that wasn't your fault. This probably bugs me more than anyone else, but I just hate having my intelligence insulted by hearing that the 66 car has once again developed "handling problems" for the fifth race in a row.
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Posted 20 July 2009 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ July 20, 2009 - 08:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, no, I would not "of" posted here, because it's like I said: bullying the minor leaguers doesn't impress me. Heck, I wouldn't even have posted here.

By the way: "Weather" is what happens when it rains or snows or is sunny. You want "whether." I'd advise you to get out more too, since you're the one admitting you ran here and posted just to get a rise out of little ol' me (I'm pleased to have gotten in your head like that) but Shrub fans probably get their asses kicked at races.


I remember having a lot of fun watching the Indy Lights whenever I'd go to the Grand Prix on Belle Isle. You're right, it probably is a minority, but I'd be a lot more interested in Nationwide if it actually showcased the drivers who don't otherwise get a spotlight.



If your attacks are gonna be only on the fact that my grammar is not perfect..... you win...... I'll concede
even my spelling... Ill give you that too.... but you obviously knew what I meant....
I did notice that you had nothing more to say about my main point in the post tho...

also If I wanted to run here to post just to tick you off it would not of taken me 18 hours after the race to do so...
Your not in my head sir.... but your hate for me and Kyle Busch is rather amusing to me....
keep it up..

its kinda fun... Its like a trigger....I say Kyle and you get pissed... ready?? KYLE!!!!!!

Why would any fans be in personal danger?
Because of the driver they like to cheer for? Is that how YOU are at sporting events?
thats a classy attitude to have about a driver and their fans....

Ya know these forums are here for fans to post, not for everyone to be a freaking drone and like the same people and the same manufacturer. you have taken offense to everything I have said because its about a driver YOU don't like and
a manufacturer YOU don't like.... GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!! this thread is NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!!

If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.


As for your intelligence being insulted, Id say you have very little if all you can do is comment on a persons spelling and use punctuation... that's easy for anyone to do.

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 20 July 2009 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2009 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Hockeytown_Ryan @ July 20, 2009 - 02:41PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.


As for your intelligence being insulted, Id say you have very little if all you can do is comment on a persons spelling and use punctuation... that's easy for anyone to do.

You've got a long and distinguished history of not paying attention to anything I say, and picking and choosing what you want to hear out of my post, I figured you wouldn't even notice me correcting your spelling.

And I never said anything about stopping you from posting Shrub pictures. You've gone from ignoring what I say to inventing stuff I didn't say.

But since you asked, I bet I can find something wrong with everything you said in the post, and not even have to correct your spelling to do it:

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Then maybe the thread needs to be named SPRINT CUP series instead of NASCAR....

last time I checked the Nationwide Series is NASCAR is it not?

Here we go with the inventing of things I didn't say. For example, I didn't say you're not allowed to post about Nationwide stuff.

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the capitalization of "he" was a mistake. plain and simple.

Indeed. You do tend to make those.

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and I only did what I set out to do with that post..... got a rise out of you!!!!!
it is Soooooo easy to ruffle your feathers...... and I rather enjoy it!!!!

You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

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It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then. Nationwide isnt affiliated that way to the Sprint Cup Series.
Drivers are not bound by contract to only drive for one company between the Nationwide cars and the Sprint Cup Series.

Actually, since NASCAR operates both series, it would be very easy to ban a driver from driving in both series on the same weekend. Nothing to it. After all, you yourself pointed out earlier that they're both NASCAR, in one of the few correct things you said in the whole post.

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Every driver has a right to work.. weather it be Nationwide or Camping World....... my advice to you .. get over it..
and get out more.....

No, every driver does not have a right to work. There's no such thing.

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If JPM won that race you would of posted here.....

I told you already, I would not have posted here if JPM had won the race. This is what I mean by you cherry-picking stuff I say. All you did was whine about me correcting your spelling, and then claimed I didn't rebut anything you said.

How long does it take you to come up with these essays anyway? The ones where you claim it doesn't bother you that I hate your favorite driver?
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Posted 20 July 2009 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ July 20, 2009 - 04:48PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You've got a long and distinguished history of not paying attention to anything I say, and picking and choosing what you want to hear out of my post, I figured you wouldn't even notice me correcting your spelling.

And I never said anything about stopping you from posting Shrub pictures. You've gone from ignoring what I say to inventing stuff I didn't say.

Never said you did.........Why am not allowed to make general comments without them reflecting something YOU say?


But since you asked, I bet I can find something wrong with everything you said in the post, and not even have to correct your spelling to do it:


Here we go with the inventing of things I didn't say. For example, I didn't say you're not allowed to post about Nationwide stuff
Then why did you feel you had to interject (And take that bait) when I posted to begin with?


Indeed. You do tend to make those.


You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
But you were dumb enough to take it!


Actually, since NASCAR operates both series, it would be very easy to ban a driver from driving in both series on the same weekend. Nothing to it. After all, you yourself pointed out earlier that they're both NASCAR, in one of the few correct things you said in the whole post.

2 different series under the same sanctioning body.. Nothing about who can drive for who is in the rule book
so yes they have every right to drive for who ever hires them



No, every driver does not have a right to work. There's no such thing.
Yes they do. if someone hires them.....and if they already have a ride in a different series.. oh freaking well


I told you already, I would not have posted here if JPM had won the race. This is what I mean by you cherry-picking stuff I say. All you did was whine about me correcting your spelling, and then claimed I didn't rebut anything you said.

How long does it take you to come up with these essays anyway? The ones where you claim it doesn't bother you that I hate your favorite driver?


Your taking comments I make that have nothing to do with anything you said and trying to turn them into something.. They had no bearing on what you say..and now EVERY comment I make has to reflect something you say now?
again GET OVER YOURSELF

You've gone from fact finding to inventing..... Show where I specifically stated you told me I could not post pictures.... Show where I named YOU and said you said I could not post pictures...?

I showed my support for a driver and you jumped on me. not the other way around.
I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

for someone with all these issues on how NASCAR should be run....Why are you wasting your ideas here? why not waste the time of NASCAR and E-Mail them with your FAN friendly ideas......?

"NO!!! the popular drivers can only race in one series....." HA HA HA
good luck getting MORE tickets sold with the Sprint Cup guys OUT of the grid.

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 20 July 2009 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2009 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Hockeytown_Ryan @ July 20, 2009 - 05:20PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your taking comments I make that have nothing to do with anything you said and trying to turn them into something.. They had no bearing on what you say..and now EVERY comment I make has to reflect something you say now?
again GET OVER YOURSELF

You said them to me in response to what I said.

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You've gone from fact finding to inventing..... Show where I specifically stated you told me I could not post pictures.... Show where I named YOU and said you said I could not post pictures...?

Does this ring a bell?
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If I want to post pictures of Kyle Busch winning a NASCAR event......(in a NASCAR thread) I will.....

"whether" you like it or not.

Again - you said that to me. What exactly are you defying?

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I showed my support for a driver and you jumped on me. not the other way around.
I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

Actually this started after I said how much I loved it that Kyle Busch crashed out of the race. Then you jumped in. Go read the thread and stop revising history. Unless you're talking about my response to you from over a month ago, in which case it sounds like you're the one who needs to let it go.

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"NO!!! the popular drivers can only race in one series....." HA HA HA
good luck getting MORE tickets sold with the Sprint Cup guys OUT of the grid.

Pretty damn sure I already acknowledged that part. Again with the selective reading. And if you think I literally meant only Junior, look up "metaphor" in the dictionary.

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I'd actually ban 'em straight up, but that'll never happen cause NASCAR knows they lose three-quarters of their Nationwide viewership if Junior doesn't race.


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You do know that baiting people is against forum rules, right? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

But you were dumb enough to take it!

Personal attacks, too? Really?

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I'm beginning to think you WISHED for a big dick... and BECAME one instead.

Yup, really.
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