boomer 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 I was wathching the Holland interview on Tsn's trade watch segment 2009 last night. Briefly the moderator alluded how Holland has always managed to bring in that last piece of the puzzle come playoff time. Holland's view was good defence is what championship teams are all about, in hockey or any sport for that matter he stated. He used the Brad Stuart example for last year's cup run, and the Jaime Mcoun aquisition at the deadline years back that also helped the Wings secure the Cup. He stated that playoff hockey is all about being able to win those key low scoring games. Well Mr. Holland if that's the case you better secure your self a starting goaltender that can stop an average of 25 shots a game(that's what net minders get in Detroit; because what you have right now is goaltending that allows on average 3 to 4 and sometimes atrociously more goals per game despite low shot totals. Prime example, Osgood's performance last night against the Coyotes - mediocre goaltending which has been Detrot's achilles heel all year. So Mr Holland make no mistake about it to keep the Cup it will be all centered on you getting us a goaltender who can assure us more often than not that in 20 something shot games he can shut the door and give our D the breathing room they need to go all the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Here we go again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 One or the other has to be fixed. I'm confident that if the Wings were to somehow rectify the defense, that Conklin would be adequate enough to win some playoff games. Conklin has a .915 save percentage%. If we can strengthen our defense and cut down on those shots in the slot, I think you'd probably see Conklin pull off some games with only a goal or two against. One things for sure, though. We have to fix one or the other. If we can boost our defense, then we should be able to insulate our goaltenders. But if we can't do that, then we need a goalie whos gonna make up for our defensive gaffs. And neither Osgood nor Conklin seems capable of being a game stealer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the canidates are? ....dont kno many elite goalies that will go for picks .. Osgood needs confidence and in the next 30 games he has a chance to change peoples minds .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedArmy 4 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 One or the other has to be fixed. I'm confident that if the Wings were to somehow rectify the defense, that Conklin would be adequate enough to win some playoff games. Conklin has a .915 save percentage%. If we can strengthen our defense and cut down on those shots in the slot, I think you'd probably see Conklin pull off some games with only a goal or two against. One things for sure, though. We have to fix one or the other. If we can boost our defense, then we should be able to insulate our goaltenders. But if we can't do that, then we need a goalie whos gonna make up for our defensive gaffs. And neither Osgood nor Conklin seems capable of being a game stealer. amen to that, but 5 shut outs are pretty impressive for conks this season... Ozzie keeps stinking up the joint, unfortunately. I don't know if getting a goaly will help it might make Conks disgruntled and send Ozzie into further downward spiral... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) amen to that, but 5 shut outs are pretty impressive for conks this season... Ozzie keeps stinking up the joint, unfortunately. I don't know if getting a goaly will help it might make Conks disgruntled and send Ozzie into further downward spiral... I can't imagine it would hurt Osgood like that. He's one of the most laid back goaltenders in the game. He doesn't get angry. He doesn't smack his stick on the goalposts when a puck goes in. He just moves on and pretends it never happened. I'm sure if we got a new goalie, Osgood would understand. As for Conks - I can't say. EDIT: My grammar was atrocious. Edited February 5, 2009 by Ms_Hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Awesome! Another thread on this is just what we needed! Seriously, I could make 10,000 threads on the poor team defense, which is the much greater problem at hand here if you examine the quality of scoring chances rather than SV% alone, but it wouldn't make the situation any less irritating. I'm not saying goaltending shouldn't be discussed, just that this could go in one of the pre-existing threads (Some on the front page!) which have already gone over these same points 2939282190 times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Why is osgood living in denial and lying to himself.. "I feel real good out there. I feel sharp and confident" BS osgood.. BS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Here we go again. ? So you feel that Ozzy's performance isn't worrying? Sure our defense hasn't looked great out there, but they aren't getting that last line of defense goaltending you expect from your goalie. In the games where they do get that (ie. when Conks is on his game or Oz is having a good night) the score is very low. A few times Ozzy has played great but got killed by the defense in front of him. No question on that- it's happened. BUT those nights are much less common than the nights where Ozzy just isn't there for us. Team defense is definitely troublesome right now, but goaltending is definitely the most impactful change one can make to solve this problem in a single move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 I think bettman is spiking ozzie's water at the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 To be honest- I think Ozzy would really benefit from the Wings bringing in his off season goaltending coach (not the current guy they have in Detroit/GR). All of Ozzy's great changes and improvements in his game came from his off season goaltending coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 I can't imagine it would hurt Osgood like that. He's one of the most laid back goaltenders in the game. He doesn't get angry. He doesn't smack his stick on the goalposts when a puck goes in. He just moves on and pretends it never happened. I'm sure if we got a new goalie, Osgood would understand. As for Conks - I can't say. I don't disagree with any of the above. Perhaps he's a little too laid back for his own (and the Red Wings') good? Babcock called him out after last night, not throwing Ozzie under the bus but certainly pointing at him as the problem. I am hoping Ozzie takes it for what it is: a public announcement that the #1 goalie in Detroit has to be better than he's been, and soon. A little self-directed anger in Ozzie's case might be a good thing, for a change. As for Conklin, he's just thrilled to be a Wing, and shows it every time he's out there. He's got 5 shuts outs, which happen to be all of the shut outs the Wings have this season. Before any of you all start in with, "but, they play differently in front of Ozzie..." If they do, you can probably figure out why, if you just think about it. The Wings can't play their game when they are worrying about making up a goal deficit, game in and game out. They can't play loose (as Ozzie suggested, saying some players ought to loosen up), when they have in the back of their heads that every lead they get is likely to be surrendered in the next shift. Ozzie can't rest on last season's laurels. Last season was last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitaljohn88 4 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) Why is osgood living in denial and lying to himself.. "I feel real good out there. I feel sharp and confident" BS osgood.. BS! I'd rather have him at least pretend to be confident than take the Manny Legace route: "OH GOD, why me! I'm so bad! My team hates me I'm the worst player in the NHL... SOMEBODY GET ME A GUN" :D Edited February 5, 2009 by digitaljohn88 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Why is osgood living in denial and lying to himself.. "I feel real good out there. I feel sharp and confident" BS osgood.. BS! Atleast he's thinkin positive. Not like Legace who looks like he's about two seconds away from killing himself after a bad game. Fake Edit: ..beaten by digitaljohn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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swiss_fan 3 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Osgood's play has been sooo brutal. One soft goal again yesterday. He averages one or two per night. I think one of the best think for the RW would be that Osgood go on to play like this: It would leave no other option to KH than to aquire a goaltender at the deadline. In the other hand if Osgood's play increase but just a little bit to become less than average-average, this could bite us back in the longterm and not be enough to go far this spring.. There is still the option his play become really better, but i don't think it would come by magic in spring.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomer 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the canidates are? ....dont kno many elite goalies that will go for picks .. Osgood needs confidence and in the next 30 games he has a chance to change peoples minds .. Sorry but if the team keeps playing catch up hockey like they been playing for most of the season, come play off time they'll be drained. As for getting a number one goalie for a draft pick your probably right it ain't going to happen. But if you take the route that Conklin has been solid enough and you need someone feasible to platoon him with well here are your top candidates: Edmonton-Roloson;Mtl Halak ;Colorado Budjai ;Atlanta Hedberg; Ottawa Gerber; Toskala Toronto. Just look at Thomas and Fernandez in Boston and you'll get my drift. And as far as anyone's feelings- hey I'm still thinking how Mike Vernon got scewed years ago cuz management looked to Osgood to do it on the cheap. And if that's not the solution then clear the salary cap we don't need anymore long term snipers with fat contracts; roll the dice the trade Phil way . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 I was wathching the Holland interview on Tsn's trade watch segment 2009 last night. Briefly the moderator alluded how Holland has always managed to bring in that last piece of the puzzle come playoff time. Holland's view was good defence is what championship teams are all about, in hockey or any sport for that matter he stated. He used the Brad Stuart example for last year's cup run, and the Jaime Mcoun aquisition at the deadline years back that also helped the Wings secure the Cup. He stated that playoff hockey is all about being able to win those key low scoring games. Well Mr. Holland if that's the case you better secure your self a starting goaltender that can stop an average of 25 shots a game(that's what net minders get in Detroit; because what you have right now is goaltending that allows on average 3 to 4 and sometimes atrociously more goals per game despite low shot totals. Prime example, Osgood's performance last night against the Coyotes - mediocre goaltending which has been Detrot's achilles heel all year. So Mr Holland make no mistake about it to keep the Cup it will be all centered on you getting us a goaltender who can assure us more often than not that in 20 something shot games he can shut the door and give our D the breathing room they need to go all the way. So how exactly did you come up with this thread idea exactly? Wow, a thread about Ozzie. Talk about out of the blue. Is it that you hadn't seen one in over 5 minutes? Ozzie threads by the way are like bad goal tending . Even though it seems like a bad goaltender can't stop a shot, they are still usually stopping about 90% of them. Just like it only seems like almost every thread is about Ozzie when actually probably only like 40% of them are. OK, Ozzie threads are worse at this point then bad goal tending, but the principle's the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Are people joining this forum to just make their very first post about our goaltending ? I guess it's hard to have some original thoughts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 ray emery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Neil Armstrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Neil Armstrong. Louie Armstrong. He could be Karen Newman's back-up too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Reality check...There wont be a goaltender change before the deadline, so its got to be defensive improvement if the Wings are to repeat. I've seen every game this year, and despite the fact that Ozzie does bleed in some soft goals now and then, its my impression that the team gives up a much higher percentage of quality shots than in the past. But this "The sky is falling mentality" kind of sickens me, since, after all, the Wings didn't win the President's cup in either 1997 or 1998. Lets all just chill out, because it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that the team will be hitting on all cylinders late in March and early in April when it really matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 982 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Ray Emery two two hockey players in one!! Enforcer and goalie!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I Red Wings I 40 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Hell, I'll do it for $10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
