hosehead9 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Here is the reality- (add 3 zeros-you get the idea) forwards defensemen Goalies Pav-6,700 Nick-7,450 Ozzie-1,416 Hank-6,084 Rafalski-6,000 Howard-716 Filppula-3,000 Stuart-3,750 Cleary-2,800 Kronwall-3,000 Homer-2,250 Lilja-1,250 Draper-1,583 Ericsson-900 Maltby-883 Lebda-650 Helm-599 Meech-483 These are all the Wings players under contract and GR guys out of options. Our cap hit right now is-49,514,00 If the cap stays the same that gives us 7,184,000 to sign 4 forwards. And we are stuck with Howard backing up Ozzie? Lets say we re-sign Leino for 1,000 and Kopecky for 650 (thats 125,000 raises for each) and call up Abdelkader -850. Add another 2.5 million to our cap to bring us up to-52,014,000. We would still have 4,684 left. Thats enough to pay Franzen but not Hossa. So my Question, Do we- A- roll with above team (no Hossa)? B- trade Filppula or Kronwall, giving us another 3 million, replace one of those guys for a 500,000 player, NOT resign Franzen and KEEP Hossa? C- trade Rafalski to keep Hossa and Franzen? D- None of the above? I can think of no other way, and remember Stuart has a no trade clause for 2 seasons. Edited February 13, 2009 by hosehead9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pitree 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) So i was doing all the crunch work for the salary. Detroit can keep hossa if willing to give up 2 of the following players Franzen Samuelson Hudler Hossa would also have to take a nice pay cut too at least 6.7 for this all to work. so thats 0.8 million less then this year and he could easly make close to 9 for any other team. This is all going with the salary staying the same due to north american economy problems. The 4 million raise that was talked about last summer isnt going to happen now. All teams can hope for is that they dont lower the salary cap and screw over teams like detroit. So detroit would be left with Hossa Dasyuk Hudler Holmstrom Zetterberg Lieno Filppula Draper Maltby Cleary Helm Abdekelder Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Lilja Lebda Goalies is a toss up.. do they trade Osgood and go with Conk starter and Howard back or do they stay with the wizard and have ty play backs or let howard take that roll either way they can afford both... to help cap it would help to get rids of the wizard to gain little bit of cap room thats my idea for next year and the salaries will work nhlnumbers.com if where i get all salary stuff. Edited February 13, 2009 by pitree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matemate 34 Report post Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Pavel Datsyuk-Henrik Zetterberg-Tomas Holmstrom Daniel Cleary-Johan Franzén-Mikael Samuelsson Ales Kotalik-Ville Leino-Mike Grier Justin Abdelkader-Darren Helm-Chris Neil Nicklas Lidström-Michael Komisarek Niklas Kronwall-Brad Stuart Jonathan Eriksson-Greg Zanon Jimmy Howard Daniel Larsson Edited March 22, 2009 by matemate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Pavel Datsyuk-Henrik Zetterberg-Tomas Holmstrom Daniel Cleary-Johan Franzén-Mikael Samuelsson Ales Kotalik-Ville Leino-Mike Grier Justin Abdelkader-Darren Helm-Chris Neil Nicklas Lidström-Michael Komisarek Niklas Kronwall-Brad Stuart Jonathan Eriksson-Greg Zanon Jimmy Howard Daniel Larsson LOL Edited March 22, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted March 22, 2009 Next season's team may have a whole new look to it depending on what happens the rest of this season and the coming off-season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 22, 2009 ON THE ROSTER Marian Hossa $6m Jiri Hudler $1.8m Mikael Samuelsson $1.35m Ville Leino $1m Tomas Kopecky $575k Darren Helm $599k Jonathan Ericsson $900k Jimmy Howard $717k LEAVING AS UFA Johan Franzen Chris Chelios Ty Conklin TRADED FOR PICKS/PROSPECTS Brad Stuart (if possible) AND/OR both of Valtteri Filppula and Brett Lebda I have made some rosters which are entirely from players already in the organization; It's possible a roster player or two could return if all three players are traded. Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Hudler/Kopecky/Hossa Leino/Filppula/Samuelsson Cleary/Draper/Helm Maltby Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Meech/Lilja Lebda Osgood Howard OR Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa Hudler/Zetterberg/Kopecky Cleary/Leino/Samuelsson Maltby/Draper/Helm Meech Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Stuart/Lilja Meech Osgood Howard OR Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa Hudler/Zetterberg/Kopecky Cleary/Leino/Samuelsson Abdelkader/Draper/Helm Maltby Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Lilja Meech Osgood Howard Pick whichever roster you would prefer. I take the first one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matemate 34 Report post Posted March 22, 2009 LOL Why lol ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winther 6 Report post Posted March 22, 2009 Why lol ? How about 5 New faces, aswell as 6 rookies, two of them in net?? The red wings would never do a weird and unmotivated overhaul like that (especially when they are winning with the current lineup). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 ... Pick whichever roster you would prefer. I take the first one. Kopecky on 2nd line? Are you kidding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 ON THE ROSTER Howard Pick whichever roster you would prefer. I take the first one. Are you high? Any roster that has Howard anywhere on it is one I want far away from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 Kopecky on 2nd line? Are you kidding? Kopecky has had wonderful chemistry with all three of Hudler, Hossa, and Zetterberg during the times he has played with them. He has the skills to be a scorer and the chemistry with the second liners on my roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Trade idea... D Brad Stuart, D Brett Lebda and C Evan McGrath/Cory Emmerton to Vancouver C Ryan Kesler, and 2nd and 3rd round pick to Detroit Detroit also does not re-sign Mikael Samuelsson. Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Kopecky/Hudler/Hossa Leino/Filppula/Cleary Kesler/Draper/Helm Maltby Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Lilja Meech Osgood Howard Significant improvement defensively as well as a younger roster. Edited March 26, 2009 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaq 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2009 Mike Komisarek wouldn't hurt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Trade idea... D Brad Stuart, D Brett Lebda and C Evan McGrath/Cory Emmerton to Vancouver C Ryan Kesler, and 2nd and 3rd round pick to Detroit Why the hell would Vancouver trade Kesler? They're in danger of losing the Sedin twins and he's easily their best young forward. They already have a ton of defensive depth. The Wings are going to be lucky if McGrath or Emmerton turns out to be nearly as good as Kesler. This trade would make zero sense for Vancouver. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 Why the hell would Vancouver trade Kesler? They're in danger of losing the Sedin twins and he's easily their best young forward. They already have a ton of defensive depth. The Wings are going to be lucky if McGrath or Emmerton turns out to be nearly as good as Kesler. This trade would make zero sense for Vancouver. And then Kesler on the 4th line? Sweet. That really makes zero sense. It's not logical at all. Kopecky on the 2nd line, as a center? Kindl would improve the defense? Nope, I'm done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 26, 2009 And then Kesler on the 4th line? Sweet. That really makes zero sense. It's not logical at all. Kopecky on the 2nd line, as a center? Kindl would improve the defense? Nope, I'm done. As far as Kopecky is concerned, his presence has mostly to do with the fact that he has shown good scoring ability when playing with capable linemates, and in the past has shown EXCELLENT chemistry with Hudler, as well as the fact that he is the only reasonable substitute for Franzen capable of playing a similar style; and if placed in the same role with a playmaker like Hudler and a scorer like Hossa, who knows what he could produce. After thinking about Hudler and Kopecky's past together though, I realized Kopecky played the wing and Hudler played the center, so I have made that edit to my original post. Kesler was placed on the fourth line because a Kesler/Draper/Helm fourth line would be much better than what we have now as far as a shutdown defensive line, which is the primary purpose of such. If you prefer, swap Kesler and Cleary and run Cleary/Draper/Helm on the fourth line while Kesler centers Leino and Filppula. I think Cleary is better off in a scoring role and Kesler is better off in a defensive role personally, but to each his own. The comment about improving the defense can be viewed this way: Based on their performances this season defensively: Kesler>Franzen Helm>Maltby Leino=Samuelsson Ericsson>Stuart Kindl>Lebda Hard to argue with that kind of comparison. Again; Kindl improving the team defensively is an improvement over LEBDA. If you don't want Kindl, I'll drive down to Fraser because I am an improvement defensively over Lebda too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GORM19 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2009 Trade idea... D Brad Stuart, D Brett Lebda and C Evan McGrath/Cory Emmerton to Vancouver C Ryan Kesler, and 2nd and 3rd round pick to Detroit Detroit also does not re-sign Mikael Samuelsson. Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Kopecky/Hudler/Hossa Leino/Filppula/Cleary Kesler/Draper/Helm Maltby Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Lilja Meech Osgood Howard Significant improvement defensively as well as a younger roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GORM19 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2009 THAT IS WAY TO MUCH FOR KESLER IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 27, 2009 Why the hell would Vancouver trade Kesler? They're in danger of losing the Sedin twins and he's easily their best young forward. They already have a ton of defensive depth. The Wings are going to be lucky if McGrath or Emmerton turns out to be nearly as good as Kesler. This trade would make zero sense for Vancouver. THAT IS WAY TO MUCH FOR KESLER IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN These two posts show that my trade idea was a good middle of the road deal. Some posters claim Vancouver wouldn't trade Kesler for that little...others say it's too much for Kesler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted March 27, 2009 These two posts show that my trade idea was a good middle of the road deal. Some posters claim Vancouver wouldn't trade Kesler for that little...others say it's too much for Kesler. did you just convice yourself of that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 28, 2009 did you just convice yourself of that? Didn't say it was gonna happen...just that the value wasn't crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted March 28, 2009 Kopecky has had wonderful chemistry with all three of Hudler, Hossa, and Zetterberg during the times he has played with them. He has the skills to be a scorer and the chemistry with the second liners on my roster. He has the skills to be a crappy stop-gap. That is all. The roster won't be THAT different. Two or three players gone, maybe one new player, that's about it. Either way it's going to be tough rigging it so this team will work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
