2/15 GDT: Avalanche 6, Red Wings 5 (SO)

[gowings00 545]

Actually Ozzie was pretty damn good in the playoffs last season. He made a lot of tough stops. Stops that he's not making this year.

He was def. better than he ever has been before, but it wasn't like he was Roy or Brodeud. Our defense was the key...It will be the key again this playoffs as long as they come to play. Ozzie just needs to be slightly above average.

[sjradio 0]

I wouldn't have started Ozzy in all three games (only two of the three), but I do understand that Babs wants to get him going.

Send him to GR to get his game going. I doubt anybody would take him off of waivers,

Jim Bedard had better get to work on Osgood... and fast.

[Guest mindfly]

You write like Semin fights.

English ain't my native language...you can try and switch to swedish right now and we'll see how good you are.. show some respect you dickhead.

[Electrophile 3,554]

So, did you hear Spinal Tap is getting back together?

Edited February 16, 2009 by Electrophile

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Wow, you really are clueless. I was a supporter of Hasek last year, all year. I still liked Ozzy, but I knew Hasek was going to be our #1 and totally wanted him to play like a mad dog in the playoffs.

Now, this year, I support Ozzy. He is our #1 going into the playoffs no matter how loud cry and stomp your feet.

Haha, do you realize that every other word out of your mouth proves MY point, and not yours?

Again, lets break it down.

I support the guy who is playing well - that was Osgood last year, and Conklin this year.

You put blind faith into the starter, merely because hes the starter - that was Hasek this year, and Osgood this year.

In short, you don't pay attention to the fact that a guy is playing poorly, and could play worse in the playoffs, just like Hasek did last year - you just care about the arbitrary misnomer of "starting goaltender." I don't pay attention to a guys name, and assume that just because he was good before means he'll be good again, just like Hasek last year - I care more about the performance on the ice that the respective goaltender brings.

You aren't even fun to debate with - its too easy. Enjoy relishing Osgood's performance tonight, I guess.

Edited February 16, 2009 by YoungGuns1340

[gcom007 1,465]

If us, as fans, aren't confident with Osgood in net, how do you think the players feel?

I'll tell you what they absolutely feel less confident in: Ty Conklin as the Playoff Starter.

They may not be confident in Osgood right now, but they know that the only way they've got a shot is if Osgood get's going. They're not foolish enough to think Conklin's the answer.

[Guest MrSandMan]

And the Wings aren't on pace to become #2 behind Boston - unless you can't do standard math and see that the Sharks have played 3 games fewer than the Wings have and are still ahead.

Wings played through their toughest schedule (and injuries), Sharks have yet to play their grueling schedule.

We also play Sharks soon on Home ice. I'm willing to bet Wings go into the playoffs with more points. Will I stomp my feet, cry out loud, piss and moan and groan if Wings don't succeed at winning more points than the Sharks, no. I'll leave that to you.

[Yak19 303]

English ain't my native language...you can try and switch to swedish right now and we'll see how good you are.. show some respect you dickhead.

Well played sir,

I also do not enjoy smug, ******-like comments.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Yak19

[gcom007 1,465]

He also won us a cup 11 years ago as well. And between 1998 and 2008, he had plenty of rough seasons, and played a couple seasons as back-up. This idea that Osgood has somehow always been the goaltender that won us the cup last season is simply not true. He had a great season last year - one of his career seasons - and before that, he has some bad seasons too - both as a starter, and as a back-up.

Now, I like Ozzie personally, because hes a great team guy, but he was never a consistent guy from year to year, and his career is a testament to that.

It also hasn't been as inconsistent as most have made it out to be, for example, how everyone rips on him in his Islanders days despite the fact that he carried them into the playoffs and posted better numbers than he did in Detroit despite playing for an overall pathetic team.

This isn't about the fact that he is having a bad year.

He is.

Clearly.

But he is the starter for the playoffs.

He has to get going. He has to find a way.

I still think he's showing signs of getting there. I said even after the last game where he played pretty well and got player of the game despite the loss that I don't think he'll be all there for 3-4 more weeks. I stand by that. I think he's on the up and I think he's going to arrive when it matters.

If he doesn't, well, it wasn't meant to be. There will be no instance of "we lost in spite of Conklin." It will never happen.

Osgood has to get going.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

So, did you hear Spinal Tap is getting back together?

Their amps go to eleven! \m/

[TheOwl 77]

Wow, you really are clueless. I was a supporter of Hasek last year, all year. I still liked Ozzy, but I knew Hasek was going to be our #1 and totally wanted him to play like a mad dog in the playoffs.

Now, this year, I support Ozzy. He is our #1 going into the playoffs no matter how loud cry and stomp your feet.

Ozzy is not the #1, and I doubt he'll play more then one or two play-off games this season. Hasek played very well last season, him and Ozzy had the top 2 GAA. Then Hasek melted down in the play-offs, and he was benched. Now, Ozzy has completely melted down in the regular season, why shouldn't Conklin, who is playing pretty well, be the go to guy? Loyalty to players will end this season for us too early. Osgood, and even our 4th line is awful, bone dry bad. It's time to move on, and get new people to fill some of these positions.

I still think he's showing signs of getting there

Where? Did he play well after the Christmas break? After the all-star break? As he had 2 games starting in a row where he has played well? No. No. No. How does this game give you any confidence he's just around the corner from where he was last play-offs?

Remember, the Av's are one of the worst teams in the league. WORST. Bad goalie, no real super star forwards. A pretty crappy D. And Osgood lets in 5 goals. What do you think he's going to do against teams which will trap the hell out of our forwards? What's he going to do against San Jose? If you have any faith Osgood is going to play well in the play-offs, you need a therapist. It's black and white. Osgood is playing terrible, he has played terrible-mediocre in every game this season, often against HORRIBLE teams. Osgood is done. And if he starts in the play-offs, were just going to lose Game 1, then it'll be Conklin then on out. He won't get better. He hasn't got better. And theirs not one game that he's played, that should give you any hope that he will get better.

We have a real chance at getting #1 in the West if Conklin plays 20-25 games left this season. That's what the Wings should be aiming for, not just hoping the worst goalie in the league magically gets better.

Buy. Him. Out. Now.

Edited February 16, 2009 by TheOwl

[gcom007 1,465]

Furthermore, this has nothing to do with being a fair-weathered fan. Thats simply a term you use to detract from the validity of mine and others statements. Unlike you, I want to see my team do whatever they can to get the points they need.

Unlike you, I want to see my team do whatever they have to do to get the starting goalie ready for the playoffs when winning truly counts.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Wings played through their toughest schedule (and injuries), Sharks have yet to play their grueling schedule.

We also play Sharks soon on Home ice. I'm willing to bet Wings go into the playoffs with more points. Will I stomp my feet, cry out loud, piss and moan and groan if Wings don't succeed at winning more points than the Sharks, no. I'll leave that to you.

Hahaha. I will give you this - you certainly are amusing. The hipocrisy is endearing as well. If what I'm doing is "crying and moaning," then you're certainly doing the same about anyone who dare criticizes your golden boy, Chris Osgood.

But at any rate, this "discussion" between you and I has reached the point of immaturity. We're not discussing legitimate issues anymore. I suppose you can continue this with someone else if you like.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Unlike you, I want to see my team do whatever they have to do to get the starting goalie ready for the playoffs when winning truly counts.

I wouldn't argue against that, it it weren't at the cost of regulation points.

[Guest MrSandMan]

Haha, do you realize that every other word out of your mouth proves MY point, and not yours?

Again, lets break it down.

I support the guy who is playing well - that was Osgood last year, and Conklin this year.

You put blind faith into the starter, merely because hes the starter - that was Hasek this year, and Osgood this year.

In short, you don't pay attention to the fact that a guy is playing poorly, and could play worse in the playoffs, just like Hasek did last year - you just care about the arbitrary misnomer of "starting goaltender." I don't pay attention to a guys name, and assume that just because he was good before means he'll be good again, just like Hasek last year - I care more about the performance on the ice that the respective goaltender brings.

You aren't even fun to debate with - its too easy. Enjoy relishing Osgood's performance tonight, I guess.

Your butt is really going to hurt when Babcock starts Ozzy, isn't it.

Do you HONESTLY think Babcock is going to start Conklin? Really?

Though I read some of your illogical posts in the past, you probably think Detroit can trade Ozzy for Mason + picks.

Psst, the entire team (aside from offense) have been spotty this season, not just the goaltending. I'll contribute this to "Stanley Cup hangover".

Enjoy relishing Osgood's performance tonight, I guess

I'm sure you already are.

Edited February 16, 2009 by MrSandMan

[gcom007 1,465]

Wow, you really are clueless. I was a supporter of Hasek last year, all year. I still liked Ozzy, but I knew Hasek was going to be our #1 and totally wanted him to play like a mad dog in the playoffs.

Now, this year, I support Ozzy. He is our #1 going into the playoffs no matter how loud cry and stomp your feet.

I can attest to the truth of this. And I thought Osgood was the better goalie all year and had a feeling that he would show up in the playoffs, but I said all along, Hasek at his best is the best option so you have to give him the chance to be the best. Osgood is the best option this year and going to Conklin with his 5 minutes of playoff experience is like going to Legace; it's not even remotely like going to Osgood who has over 300 wins and a Cup to his name already coming off of a remarkable regular season.

[P. Marlowe 748]

That's a gem right there.

About the game, the offensive effort in the second and third periods makes it easy to forget how bad the first period was. When Wings were down 2-0 I would've been be surprised to know that they pull it even and make it to a shootout.

[gcom007 1,465]

I wonder if anybody here who defends Osgood would react the same way if this was the playoffs and he tanked another game.

I doubt we'd be calm about this.

There is no way we should EVER lose a game when leading at three different points in the third period.

Absolutely not, but that's what y'all don't get. It's not the playoffs. Until we get there, we need to do what's necessary to get Osgood going.

But I'll tell you, if the team as a whole played as half-heartedly as they did today in a playoff game, Osgood would hardly be the only guy I'd be ready to string up.

[VM1138 1,921]

Missed the game, but I think the argument is missing the point:

Whether or not Ozzie picks up his game, he's the playoff starter. This is a repeat of last year. If he doesn't do well, he gets pulled.

I really don't understand the philosophy some people have that to "get a goalie going" you throw him to the wolves every night.

Ozzie has had nothign to build his confidence off of all season. He needs a break to clear his head, which is all important for a goalie. Let him come back in a few weeks with a chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong, that's the only way Ozzie plays lights-out.

I have faith in him, but to keep throwing him to the wolves doesn't help anyone. Get Conklin the experience he needs, Ozzie can clear his head, and come playoff time we'll have two experienced goalies and, barring any incident, a confident goalie (Conklin) and one with something to prove (Osgood).

That's a recipe for a win right there.

[gcom007 1,465]

Ozzy is not the #1, and I doubt he'll play more then one or two play-off games this season. Hasek played very well last season, him and Ozzy had the top 2 GAA. Then Hasek melted down in the play-offs, and he was benched. Now, Ozzy has completely melted down in the regular season, why shouldn't Conklin, who is playing pretty well, be the go to guy? Loyalty to players will end this season for us too early. Osgood, and even our 4th line is awful, bone dry bad. It's time to move on, and get new people to fill some of these positions.

Our defense has melted down as well and Conklin isn't playing well enough to carry a team in the playoffs and he's got 5 minutes experience. Seriously.

[gcom007 1,465]

Send him to GR to get his game going. I doubt anybody would take him off of waivers,

Jim Bedard had better get to work on Osgood... and fast.

Right. Ever heard of clearing waivers?

[Guest MrSandMan]

I can attest to the truth of this. And I thought Osgood was the better goalie all year and had a feeling that he would show up in the playoffs, but I said all along, Hasek at his best is the best option so you have to give him the chance to be the best. Osgood is the best option this year and going to Conklin with his 5 minutes of playoff experience is like going to Legace; it's not even remotely like going to Osgood who has over 300 wins and a Cup to his name already coming off of a remarkable regular season.

Exactly, once the playoffs start, it's Ozzy's job to lose. No way will Babcock make such a knee-jerk move with to starting a unproven goalie when he has a proven and healthy goalie in Osgood.

If he does absolutely horrible, I'm sure Babs will call upon Conks. I like Conks, he's great, but he's not going to start unless Ozzy gets injured before the PO start

[gcom007 1,465]

I wouldn't argue against that, it it weren't at the cost of regulation points.

We're doing fine with points and have been all year. If there's one stat that doesn't lie it's that. Again, Osgood hasn't put up good numbers, but he's got a lot more wins than losses.

[Wingsallwin 0]

Missed the game, but I think the argument is missing the point:

Whether or not Ozzie picks up his game, he's the playoff starter. This is a repeat of last year. If he doesn't do well, he gets pulled.

I really don't understand the philosophy some people have that to "get a goalie going" you throw him to the wolves every night.

Ozzie has had nothign to build his confidence off of all season. He needs a break to clear his head, which is all important for a goalie. Let him come back in a few weeks with a chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong, that's the only way Ozzie plays lights-out.

I have faith in him, but to keep throwing him to the wolves doesn't help anyone. Get Conklin the experience he needs, Ozzie can clear his head, and come playoff time we'll have two experienced goalies and, barring any incident, a confident goalie (Conklin) and one with something to prove (Osgood).

That's a recipe for a win right there.

This season is different. At least Hasek' save percentage was above .900, actually .902. Osgood is having the worst record in the league. Then people expect he will fly in the playoff? What is difference between now's Osgood and 02-03's Joseph? Joseph has more experience than Osgood if it is needed to be said. Pretty much all said huh?

[Z and D for the C 712]

I can attest to the truth of this. And I thought Osgood was the better goalie all year and had a feeling that he would show up in the playoffs, but I said all along, Hasek at his best is the best option so you have to give him the chance to be the best. Osgood is the best option this year and going to Conklin with his 5 minutes of playoff experience is like going to Legace; it's not even remotely like going to Osgood who has over 300 wins and a Cup to his name already coming off of a remarkable regular season.

Last season Osgood and Hasek had extremely similar, league leading stats. Hasek never was absolutely horrible like osgood has been this season. They're two similar situations with completely different circumstances. Conklin's stats are head and shoulder's over Osgood's this year. In 07/08, Osgood's stats were never head and shoulder's above Hasek's.

Do you see what I'm saying or should I repeat the same thing in different ways over and over?

Edited February 16, 2009 by Z and D for the C