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Then I'm not the only one who saw the fight last night and immediately wanted to PM GMR? :lol:

Yep. :lol:

I was thinking, "f***, everything else has gone wrong tonight, I'm pretty happy to see Lilja get his ass whooped to hurl a bit at GMR."

I'm an ******* though.

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I called it a draw due to Lilja's slip. There's also no way of knowing if that blood was his.

It was a disappointment though, since he destroyed better fighters in Boll, Neil and Souray. It was only last year when that ***** Weber got KO'd by Travis Moen.

I can't believe you jerks are making jokes during my time of bereavement. <_<

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I called it a draw due to Lilja's slip. There's also no way of knowing if that blood was his.

It was a disappointment though, since he destroyed better fighters in Boll, Neil and Souray. It was only last year when that ***** Weber got KO'd by Travis Moen.

In the end, don't forget that Bob Probert didn't win all his fights either.

Call it a draw if you want. Lilja got destroyed. I think Weber landed about 5 punches while Lilja threw 0.

Just to put your bias into perspective, here are the voting results from hockeyfights:

Lilja 10% vs. Weber 90% <<<< Draw according to GMR.

Lilja 40% vs. Souray 20% <<<< Lilja destroys Souray according to GMR.

Lilja 13% vs. Neil 25% <<<< Lilja destroys Neil according to GMR.

Lilja 82% vs. Boll 15% <<<< A fight that actually happened the way you say it did.

:lol: I love your schtick. It's entertaining.

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Call it a draw if you want. Lilja got destroyed. I think Weber landed about 5 punches while Lilja threw 0.

Just to put your bias into perspective, here are the voting results from hockeyfights:

Lilja 10% vs. Weber 90% <<<< Draw according to GMR.

Lilja 40% vs. Souray 20% <<<< Lilja destroys Souray according to GMR.

Lilja 13% vs. Neil 25% <<<< Lilja destroys Neil according to GMR.

Lilja 82% vs. Boll 15% <<<< A fight that actually happened the way you say it did.

:lol: I love your schtick. It's entertaining.

People on that site are biased because they hate the Wings.

I've never seen such skewed statistics before in my life, as those percentages you just put up.

I also didn't mention the Sharp, Phaneuf and Begin fights, but those speak for themselves.

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It probably isn't the general consensus around here but I think there is some truth to what Cherry was saying. Now, before you rip me let me say that a) the key word is "some", not all of what he said and b) the way he went about expressing it was somewhat gaudy and over the top.

Also, I understand the economy is horrendous right now, and that has without a doubt had an effect on attendance. But I do think that some of the Red Wings attraction has diminished over the years -- I think a lot of it happened when Yzerman retired (seeing as though to a lot of casual fans he was one of the only players they knew), but I also think that there new approach overall has resulted in a style of play that a lot of non Red Wing fanatics find somewhat boring.

I mean I know they won the cup last year, but the three cups prior to that all were won by Detroit teams that did have grittier, role playing guys -- who had a downright snarl to their play. Even last years team had Downey in the line up for 56 games in the regular season, Drake in the lineup throughout it all and McCarty dressing in the playoffs.

Before you reply, just think back to the single game Downey played in a Wings uniform this year. Not only did the Joe look and feel rowdier (keep in mind we were losing pretty soundly also in this one) then I have seen it at any other point this season -- But Downey also won the fan voting with close to 50% of the vote. Now I know that isn't the end all be all, but I do think it says something about the type of player (at least one of em) a lot of Red Wing fans want to see play on a nightly basis.

There are a lot of fans out there who have nothing to do or post on these boards, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist -- and while the general consensus around here is that we are better off without the grit of guys like Downey, I think that if the general Red Wing fan base was asked the reply would be overwhelmingly in favor of. That's just speculation so take it for what its worth.

Personally I would rather see some grit in the lineup, however as I have said before winning trumps all when it comes to the Red Wings -- so right now I am super happy as is. But with Dats hitting the way he has been, Hossa fighting, and Lilja getting TKO'd I think Kenny may want to at least kick around the idea of inserting a little sand paper into the roster.

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Call it a draw if you want. Lilja got destroyed. I think Weber landed about 5 punches while Lilja threw 0.

Just to put your bias into perspective, here are the voting results from hockeyfights:

Lilja 10% vs. Weber 90% <<<< Draw according to GMR.

Lilja 40% vs. Souray 20% <<<< Lilja destroys Souray according to GMR.

Lilja 13% vs. Neil 25% <<<< Lilja destroys Neil according to GMR.

Lilja 82% vs. Boll 15% <<<< A fight that actually happened the way you say it did.

:lol: I love your schtick. It's entertaining.

Digging for some old posts and ran into this..

Are you kidding? Lilja is NOT in the same realm of toughness as Belak. It'd be very unfortunate to see Lilja face off against big Wade.
Of course he's not.

His beating of Souray proved that he's surpassed most Canadians in fighting prowess. Belak already fights like he's scared to get punched, so he'll definitely shy away from Andreas for fear of landing on his ass like poor Sheldon Souray did.

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Just FYI, if you want to hear Don for yourself, for those who don't get CBC, go here:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hockeynigh...a/coachscorner/

Archives too!

Ok so I watched the entire CC and nothing Grapes said here was a big deal at all. He just said Ovechkin is gonna piss off someone who's gonna lay him flat, and says not to excessively celebrate like the guys who play soccer, and compared Ovechkin to them. Now, I don't find Ovechkin's celebrations excessive, or anywhere near the s*** we've seen in the NFL or in soccer, but I also don't find Grapes commentary to be as bad as some are making it out to be.

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Ok so I watched the entire CC and nothing Grapes said here was a big deal at all. He just said Ovechkin is gonna piss off someone who's gonna lay him flat, and says not to excessively celebrate like the guys who play soccer, and compared Ovechkin to them. Now, I don't find Ovechkin's celebrations excessive, or anywhere near the s*** we've seen in the NFL or in soccer, but I also don't find Grapes commentary to be as bad as some are making it out to be.

Most of the things Grapes says are blown out of proportion. Some people just want a reason to hate him.

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I called it a draw due to Lilja's slip. There's also no way of knowing if that blood was his.

Lilja got absolutely freaking romped. A better excuse would be that the fight didn't start on a level playing field and Lilja was at a distinct disadvantage before a punch was thrown. But damn if Lilja's face didn't take it to dude's fist with a vengeance.

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I haven't read much on this and I've always taken little of what Don Cherry takes seriously for better/worse. I think he's funny personally but it seems like this he goes a bit overboard with the criticism, not sure if it is for attention or just to put on a show or whatever, but I disagree with him on this.

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Lilja vs. Grapes -- who wins?

Grapes wins... Grapes has more fight in him at 65 on Coaches Corner then Lilja will ever have. How can you square off with someone, grab one hand full of jersey, have the other made into a fist and cocked ready to throw and yet not throw one freakin punch... all the while taking blows to the head. Lilja's Defensive game has improved but his ability to "fight" and shoot a puck are still deep in the minus department.

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Digging for some old posts and ran into this..

What was funny about that? Lilja DID drop Souray on his ass.

Lilja got absolutely freaking romped. A better excuse would be that the fight didn't start on a level playing field and Lilja was at a distinct disadvantage before a punch was thrown. But damn if Lilja's face didn't take it to dude's fist with a vengeance.

You just can't stand it when a Wings player fights, can you?

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It probably isn't the general consensus around here but I think there is some truth to what Cherry was saying. Now, before you rip me let me say that a) the key word is "some", not all of what he said and b) the way he went about expressing it was somewhat gaudy and over the top.

Also, I understand the economy is horrendous right now, and that has without a doubt had an effect on attendance. But I do think that some of the Red Wings attraction has diminished over the years -- I think a lot of it happened when Yzerman retired (seeing as though to a lot of casual fans he was one of the only players they knew), but I also think that there new approach overall has resulted in a style of play that a lot of non Red Wing fanatics find somewhat boring.

I mean I know they won the cup last year, but the three cups prior to that all were won by Detroit teams that did have grittier, role playing guys -- who had a downright snarl to their play. Even last years team had Downey in the line up for 56 games in the regular season, Drake in the lineup throughout it all and McCarty dressing in the playoffs.

Before you reply, just think back to the single game Downey played in a Wings uniform this year. Not only did the Joe look and feel rowdier (keep in mind we were losing pretty soundly also in this one) then I have seen it at any other point this season -- But Downey also won the fan voting with close to 50% of the vote. Now I know that isn't the end all be all, but I do think it says something about the type of player (at least one of em) a lot of Red Wing fans want to see play on a nightly basis.

There are a lot of fans out there who have nothing to do or post on these boards, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist -- and while the general consensus around here is that we are better off without the grit of guys like Downey, I think that if the general Red Wing fan base was asked the reply would be overwhelmingly in favor of. That's just speculation so take it for what its worth.

Personally I would rather see some grit in the lineup, however as I have said before winning trumps all when it comes to the Red Wings -- so right now I am super happy as is. But with Dats hitting the way he has been, Hossa fighting, and Lilja getting TKO'd I think Kenny may want to at least kick around the idea of inserting a little sand paper into the roster.

Spot on my friend... :thumbup: :thumbup:

I will say it again, people who dismiss the positive effects of having some grit and some toughness that can be backed up on the roster obviously just don't get it. I'm not looking for a UFC match, just a guy or two that makes the opposition think a little.

If Holland doesn't add some toughness at the deadline, we'll see how things go.

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Really this comes down to if you like Ovechkin better than Crosby. I may be one of the few that like both of these players. I think Sid is the best playmaker in the league, and probably the smartest player and one of the best skaters and plays good two way hockey (Yes, not as good as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Hossa), but better than most top forwards. Alex is a beast who has top speed, a hard shot, can hit and the best pure goal scorer.

If you like Ovechkin better you're one of those people that still call Crosby a whiner because he complained about getting his teeth knocked out by Hatcher his rookie year and there was no call on the play. People can't get over that. Let them never forget if it helps them sleep. Ovechkin hit a Tampa player from behind on the glass about a month ago and the guy was injured. Play was stopped and he was taken off the ice. Can't remember his name, just a role player, but he still hasn't played since. Nobody talked about it, no fine, no suspension. If that was Crosby everybody would be calling for his head. People see the clip of him "jumping" that Toronto player off the face off, what the clip doesn't show is that same Toronto player slew footed Sid on the opening face off of the game. When you like Ovechkin you tend to ignore things he does that are not so great, and if you like Sid better you tend to do the same thing.

Just last game against Florida, Ovechkin got a stick in the face and he went up to the ref and was trying to figure why there wasn't a penalty. People are not calling him a whiner. Lecavalier got sticked in the face a few games back and he was pretty upset and confronted the ref, and no one is calling him a whiner. Ovechkin did score with 20 seconds left to make it 6-2 Florida, and he didn't celebrate.

Crosby's comments were actually directed towards Ovechkin taking shots at people after the whistle. That isnt anything new anybody who watches Caps games a lot knows that. He wasn't referring to his goal scoring antics, so you have to take Sid out of the equation and focus on what Cherry said, not Sid. Crosby does celebrate after big goals, he wasn't calling Alex out about his celebrations. Problem Sid has is that anything he says or does, he is under a microscope.

I agree with what Cherry said because he is right. I like Ovechkin and I'm one of a few that hope he can break Gretzky's goal scoring record, but I'm tired of his celebrations too. It's one thing to score a big goal, like a big goal towards the end of the game, or a OT in the season or playoffs, or even a milestone goal, but this guy celebrates like every goal is a playoff winner.

Last night Iginla broke the Flames points record and in the same game, Lecavalier scored his 300th career goal, you wouldn't know by watching the two celebrate. They have class and they have scored and will score again.

Basically, Don is probably making a bigger deal out of it than it really is, but he is right when he says you really shouldn't rub it in the other teams face because it makes them want to take a run at you. No one has done it yet, but he is saying don't be surprised if it happens. No NHL player or team likes to be embarrassed.

He named a few players, but just Mario or Yzerman for example, sometimes those guys wouldn't even raise a their stick when they scored. Brett Hull is another one.

So yeah, if you're a Ovechkin fan, his celebrations are justified, if you don't they are not.

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