Quick Question

[Echolalia 2,961]

Do shootout goals count on a team's goals for/goals against? In other words, will the Sharks have 6 goals against added to their yearly total tonight (possible tie breaker between the Wings and Sharks is better goal differential, thus the question.), or just five?

[HockeytownRules19 902]

Yes it is 6

Right now we are 276 and 219 +57

They are 238 and 182 +56

[Echolalia 2,961]

I don't suppose anyone knows of any subsequent tie-breakers after goal differential?

Although its unlikely, there is a greater possibility now than ever before (mostly due to parity) that some pair will remain tied throughout all tiebreakers given at nhl.com. Especially with the 6-10th place logjam.

After 82 games played:

1) the greater number of games won

2) the greater number of points earned between the two teams

3) better goal differential

Detroit and San Jose, for instance, would not be able to rely on #2, as the series was split equally. The Wings potentially have the greater number of games won, but it's close enough to where it can't be assumed that it definitely won't happen, and goal differential is surprisingly close, all things considered. So what happens on the off chance that it happens?

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

I don't suppose anyone knows of any subsequent tie-breakers after goal differential?

Although its unlikely, there is a greater possibility now than ever before (mostly due to parity) that some pair will remain tied throughout all tiebreakers given at nhl.com. Especially with the 6-10th place logjam.

After 82 games played:

1) the greater number of games won

2) the greater number of points earned between the two teams

3) better goal differential

Detroit and San Jose, for instance, would not be able to rely on #2, as the series was split equally. The Wings potentially have the greater number of games won, but it's close enough to where it can't be assumed that it definitely won't happen, and goal differential is surprisingly close, all things considered. So what happens on the off chance that it happens?

From nhl dot com, at the bottom of the standings:

Division leaders are seeded 1, 2, and 3 in Conference standings. If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

1-The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).

2-The greater number of games won.

3-The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.

4-The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season.

As of today, San Jose has 2 more OT's, which help their "points percentage": San Jose's is 0.733, Detroit's is 0.723.

[Echolalia 2,961]

From nhl dot com, at the bottom of the standings:

Division leaders are seeded 1, 2, and 3 in Conference standings. If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

1-The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).

2-The greater number of games won.

3-The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.

4-The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season.

As of today, San Jose has 2 more OT's, which help their "points percentage": San Jose's is 0.733, Detroit's is 0.723.

So then I guess the answer to my question would be no, then.

Edited March 27, 2009 by Echolalia

[ComradeWasabi 109]

As of today, San Jose has 2 more OT's, which help their "points percentage": San Jose's is 0.733, Detroit's is 0.723.

That's not really how it works I don't think. It's pretty much just that if one team has games in hand but the same number of points, they go ahead in the standings. ie. they got their points in a fewer number of games than the other team.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Today's "Standings" is a lot easier to work with. After last night's San Jose loss (too bad, so sad), the top of the Western Conference Standings look like this:

Detroit 74 49 16 9 107 276 219

San Jose 74 48 15 11 107 240 185

There probably is an easier way to do it, but this is how I've done it:

Let's assume San Jose "runs the table"; each of their last 8 games is a win. This is 16 available points staring at them, as of right now. The maximum number of points they can get is 123. If Detroit were able to win their last 8 games, their maximum number of points would be 123 as well. Both of their "Points Percentage" would be 0.750, making tie-breaker #2 the decider. As long as Detroit ends up with at least one regulation win more than San Jose, first in the Conference is theirs.