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I would also prefer to continue to refine the BCS than to have a playoff.

The vast majority of fans and writers who want a playoff live in fantasy gumdrop rainbow land, in which purity of competition is the first and only criterion in designing a playoff. Many are in favor of a playoff because they have their own special fantasy of how it would play out, and would likely be sorely and wildly disappointed to see the actual end result. There are certain truths that nobody takes into account when they say retarded things like, "a playoff wouldn't have to destroy the bowl system, you could incorporate the bowls into the playoff."

I have my own idea how I'd like to see a playoff go, and I like it enough I could even be pro-playoff if it were implemented. I have no illusions this will happen, though, and so I remain staunchly anti-playoff.

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Maybe Michigan can better that 3-9 record with all the practice they have been getting in. :nono:

Yeah, I think we're up s***'s creek here:

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We're almost a full week into it and preseason camp is everything all of us freshmen expected it to be: learning a completely new style of football, working hard every day to try and move our way up the depth chart, meeting new people and trying to fit in with the flow of things, and trying to get used to this totally foreign schedule. A typical day consists of showing up for meetings as early as 7:30 a.m. and being dismissed after our final meeting at 9:30 p.m. In those 14 hours, we have meetings, practice, lunch, more meetings, film sessions, dinner and meetings.

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That article was the biggest joke ever. I don't know where to even begin with it. Once again Rosenberg, and the Freep write with a double standard. Using nameless sources (who were FORMER players) and taking true freshmen quotes out of context is pure busch league journalism.

I think we all know there are gray areas while you work out for sports. It happens at every school, and when I say every I mean even high school. When I was in high school I played hockey and football and during the offseason you always had your "optional workouts". If you missed a couple consecutive or heck even one you always got questions from your coaches (in their disappointed voice).."Where were you? Are you committed? Do you want to start this season? This person plays your position and always shows up, etc"

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That article was the biggest joke ever. I don't know where to even begin with it. Once again Rosenberg, and the Freep write with a double standard. Using nameless sources (who were FORMER players) and taking true freshmen quotes out of context is pure busch league journalism.

That is what infuriates me to no end. There are a few potentially troubling issues in the article, but nothing that is as major as they make it sound. But this bit about quoting the freshmen who "apparently didn't know the rules" is dirty, scummy, rotten journalism. And it's horses***, because the freshmen were talking about the voluntary workouts and about preseason camp. In camp, there are no rules about time limits. All that four-hour-a-day stuff goes out the window. Gone. Nothing the freshmen said is even remotely close to a violation nor is it anything different that anyone else does. The link above is from Michigan State. It's not that MSU is violating anything and should be investigated, it's that Rosenberg had no ******* business insinuating Michigan was doing anything wrong as far as Stokes and Hawthorne were concerned.

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That is what infuriates me to no end. There are a few potentially troubling issues in the article, but nothing that is as major as they make it sound. But this bit about quoting the freshmen who "apparently didn't know the rules" is dirty, scummy, rotten journalism. And it's horses***, because the freshmen were talking about the voluntary workouts and about preseason camp. In camp, there are no rules about time limits. All that four-hour-a-day stuff goes out the window. Gone. Nothing the freshmen said is even remotely close to a violation nor is it anything different that anyone else does. The link above is from Michigan State. It's not that MSU is violating anything and should be investigated, it's that Rosenberg had no ******* business insinuating Michigan was doing anything wrong as far as Stokes and Hawthorne were concerned.

Absolutely right. What they also fail to explain is when you're watching film, rehabbing an injury, or working out extra because YOU WANT TO GET BETTER that doesn't count towards the 20 hours!! If Je'Ron Stokes said flat out "Coaches told me they would pull my scholarship if I didn't do _____" then we got problems, and there is legitimate concerns with what is going on here but it's clear this was a smear campaign and a final attempt to save the Free Press. Good try guys and have fun finding new jobs.

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Yeah, I think we're up s***'s creek here:

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That quote is misleading. MSU players run some of their practices in order for them to improve as much as they can. It is something Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State etc have always done in the past. Let the seniors run the practice and put the players "out of bounds" to the media like Carr did is the answer so you dont have idiot freshman taken advantage of a reporter just looking for a big story.

Oh and would this story come out if Michigan won 9 games last year. Answer is NO.

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That quote is misleading. MSU players run some of their practices in order for them to improve as much as they can. It is something Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State etc have always done in the past. Let the seniors run the practice and put the players "out of bounds" to the media like Carr did is the answer so you dont have idiot freshman taken advantage of a reporter just looking for a big story.

No, it's something every school does and continues to do. Including Michigan. The coaches aren't allowed to watch nearly any of the players' summer activities. The Freep alleges that they did. Michigan's compliance department, which is the same staff they had under Carr too, found no problems along this line or they'd have reported it.

Anyway, the MSU quote isn't about offseason practice, it's about preseason practice. There's no time limit on preseason camp, except for limits on actual practice length and some regs on two-a-days. MSU coaches are supervising the whole thing, guaranteed. Of course, Stokes was also talking, in part, about preseason camp, conveniently ignored by the Freep.

And I'll thank you not to call the players "idiot freshmen." They didn't act stupidly, they answered the questions they were asked. It's something anyone would have done. You're right on one thing - the media access will probably be tightened up. Thanks for that, Rosenberg, you *******. RR was much more open than Carr was and it was getting interesting. Back to Fort Schembechler, I bet. Although, I think but am not sure that these media days where Stokes and Hawthorne were asked these questions are required.

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Absolutely right. What they also fail to explain is when you're watching film, rehabbing an injury, or working out extra because YOU WANT TO GET BETTER that doesn't count towards the 20 hours!! If Je'Ron Stokes said flat out "Coaches told me they would pull my scholarship if I didn't do _____" then we got problems, and there is legitimate concerns with what is going on here but it's clear this was a smear campaign and a final attempt to save the Free Press. Good try guys and have fun finding new jobs.

I haven't paid attention to football since last year until today when several people are calling me asking me what I think of the Michigan scandal. :huh: So I had to look it up of course.

I agree very lame attempt by the Free Press to garner attention. Wouldn't want to print positive stories about the Detroit area or Michigan in these times - why not dig up some dirt to hurt the local area even more. It's like the virus that kills the host - and itself.

If there are really "illegal practices" going on - then on one hand they deserve some heat. But seriously if that is the worst they can dig up - that is pretty lame. No drugs, guns, domestic violence, dog fighting rings ( ;) ) etc., but a few too many reps - OMG! :o

I was a Carr supporter so I am not sure about Rich Rod - but he deserves a chance to get some of his own players and give it a shot. I'm one of those people that was pretty happy with 10-2 seasons and good bowl bids - Natl Championships are overrated in college football imo, since the system is biased as several have pointed out.

If they get hammered, I'll just boycott college football for a few years and reclaim my autumn Saturdays for something else - there is always an upside when things like this happen.

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I am sick of all the Rich Rod talk and really just want college football to be on my saturday tv. Luckily enough I only have to wait 2 more days.

My question to Michigan fans right now is what does Rich Rod have to do this year to secure his job? or is his job safe no matter what?

I will be watching both MSU and then Michigan game on saturday. The michigan game with curiousity on if Michigan has turned the corner or not.

As far as my Spartans are concerned, I like what they have on their team and the schedule is in their favor. MSU has depth this year and it should show. To me anything less than 3rd place in the Big Ten is a disappointment.

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Ohhh sooo close!!! Can't wait!! I'm excited to watch Forcier/Robinson. It's going to be rollercoaster ride with both of them all year long, but hopefully it's promising.

I also watched Devin Gardner play last night against East Kentwood, and all I can say is wow. It will be interesting to watch this QB situation the next few years because it appears that we got 3 very good ones.

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I'm sick of it too! RR's job is safe. He will be given minimum of 4 years. Look how long Michigan gave Amaker for crying out loud. You don't fire a coach after 2 years with so much invested no matter what school you are.

to me if they have another bad year, the alumni will start to rumble. However Bill Martin and Rich Rod might as well be attached at the hip. If Rich Rod goes down, Martin would be out as well.

I honestly think it will come down to that but I think we are talking at least another year after this one. My biggest fear is that Michigan will put Lloyd Carr as AD and then get a guy like Dantonio to run the program and then Michigan would be back on track. I dont think Carr would blow the football coach process like Martin may have with Rod.

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As good as Forcier was, and as impressive as Robinson's speed is, the thing that blew my mind was how solid the tackling was. I honestly can't think of a single missed tackle the entire game. They had a couple blown coverages, but that was as sound tackling as I've ever seen out of a Michigan program.

It was also kind of interesting that by and large, the Big Ten looked like crap today. OSU damn near lost to Navy, Wisconsin almost blew it against NIU, Minnesota needed OT to beat Syracuse, Iowa needed to block 2 FGs in 7 seconds to beat Northern Iowa, Illinois got it in the butt....I'm not offering up a prediction or anything, but I think this is going to be a really fun season. There will be some losses, but it's not going to be a disaster like last year.

Real QBs! Woot!

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Michigan State played just fine yesterday.

Note that I didn't mention them in the teams that looked like crap :)

I only watched that game until it was 14-0 and it became evident that OSU was going to have their hands full with Navy, so I don't have too many thoughts. I thought after a rough first series that Cousins looked pretty good. Didn't think FYS's running game looked good at all, but I don't know if it improved--or if they even bothered trying to run since it was obvious Montana State didn't have a pass defense.

FYS will be solid this year if it turns out that they do have a running game.

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Navy is a tough, tough team to play against. I can't stand Ohio State, but I don't think playing a close game with Navy is something to be worried about. It is tough to prepare for Navy's offense and that team never quits. What they lack in talent, they more than make up for in determination.

The UM/ND game just got a whole lot more interesting after each team's respective performance yesterday.

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Wow, what a pleasent surprise! Outstanding defense, and overall great game. I said this about Beilien as well, but it's crazy what one season under your belt can do. This ND game is going to be interesting. I think ND is really turning the corner this time around. I'm worried about our secondary still, and very shocked WMU didn't test our young, new safeties. If Clausen plays like he did yesterday he could slay us all day long.

I don't think you could get much opinion out of MSU due to the opponent, but both QB's looked solid. Still think Nichol is the guy...

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