Randy Carlyle's view of the hit

[hokike 1]

looks like Phaneuf left his feet on that one too...

Most of Kronwall's "big" hits are according to rules, illegal, btw.

[RedWingAbner 13]

I want Carlyle fired. He's a bads, the guys don't listen to him, and he whines too much.

It was a dirty hit. That's how we play. We play dirty. It's what we do. My Ducks party high-fived it all around on that hit.

I know it doesn't matter to you, and you won't believe it-- but seriously, this is why people think Americans are so f***ing stupid. What a bunch of morons.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Even though I still play hockey, I'm not quite sure why Franzen mowing over Hiller wasn't called. Nobody was even near him to push him into Hiller. I mean, its not like football, where if you actually do block the punt then its ok to hit the punter, right?

I don't care, and i don't have a problem with mowing over the goalie after you score, just curious.

Once you score the play is instantly over and it changes from interference to just the innocent results of your momentum. Goalies get knocked over all the time like that, only usually not so violently and usually after the play has been blown dead because they covered it up. Had Hiller stopped it the play would still be going on and then I have no doubt they'd have put Franzen in the box.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I don't blame wanting to play physical hockey at all, generally speaking, but you can't hit high like that.

[russianswede919293 95]

It really peeves me that Carlyle is complaining about the Wings "running the goalie" when the Ducks ran in on Ozzie and scrummed all around him after every stop in play.

Yeah Randy, we are the a-holes...

eff off you d-bag

[Taosuntzu 0]

Hudler really should of had his head up and not watching his pass.

I don't get this angle. He looked to see where his pass was going a split second after releasing it, then turned his head to either go for a change or to look in the direction he was going to go. Even with his "head up," he wouldn't have been able to see Brown (who was coming from an angle behind and to his side) until Brown was on top of him - which he did see, anyway.

I haven't really seen a replay that shows whether he hit Hudler with his stick, elbow, or shoulder, though the Versus replays looked most like it was a stick.

On Carlyle's running goaltenders comments: This is just silly posturing that coaches always do. Osgood got run over at least as much as Hiller (see: last 48 seconds of 3rd period). On Franzen's goal, his momentum was carrying him towards the goalie and by the time he let his shot go, he had nowhere to go but into the goalie.

The same type of play occurred in Boston v Carolina on Carolina's only goal, Carolina's "run" was more spectacular.

keeping your head up is kinda short for being aware of your surroundings on the ice. Hudler was not, he got dinged as he watched his pass while continuing to skate forward toward Brown. i don't really expect a suspension for that.

Oh, well in that case: why the hell does the league call boarding? C'mon, keep aware of your surroundings.

Jeez Draper, what were you thinking? You should have seen Lemieux coming from behind.

/end_sarcasm

[russianswede919293 95]

Just watched the TSN Panel discussion and they brought up an interesting point. Hudler had hit Beauchmin the shift before where his stick got up. They addressed that there is the possibility that the hit was a premeditated reaction to that. If that is the case Brown deserves a suspension.

[Taboni 0]

found his on the Tube,must be a Ducks fan who made it,but nice video tho

[Opie 308]

Even though I still play hockey, I'm not quite sure why Franzen mowing over Hiller wasn't called. Nobody was even near him to push him into Hiller. I mean, its not like football, where if you actually do block the punt then its ok to hit the punter, right?

I don't care, and i don't have a problem with mowing over the goalie after you score, just curious.

Close, the goal scorer is allowed to follow through with momentum.

If Franzen were called for interference on that then they should have called all of the duck pile ons after Ozzie made a save.

Once you score the play is instantly over and it changes from interference to just the innocent results of your momentum. Goalies get knocked over all the time like that, only usually not so violently and usually after the play has been blown dead because they covered it up. Had Hiller stopped it the play would still be going on and then I have no doubt they'd have put Franzen in the box.

Unless like in the boston game in which it is the non shooter who ran the goalie over.

[KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 426]

Hudler got rocked by a forarm shiver as he was watching his pass. No suspension will come of it. The five minute major was suprizing enough. As for Mules goal, Carlyle has nothing on that, Yes he ran the goalie over, but the puck was in the goal long before. My two cents. Well, on second thought, with the league going after head hunters, maybe he will sit a game.

Edited May 2, 2009 by KATIEBARTHEDOOR24

[Guest bobbyryan]

I know it doesn't matter to you, and you won't believe it-- but seriously, this is why people think Americans are so f***ing stupid. What a bunch of morons.

Grow a pair, sack it up, and learn to appreciate physical play. Did your Mom only let you watch finesse hockey? Did she cover your eyes during the goonery? The Brown hit was dirty in 2009 NHL standards, but wasn't even worthy of a 2-minute infraction just a few years ago. The league is getting soft.

Hockey 101 - Don't admire your pass. I'm sure Pronger will teach you another lesson in game 2.

[under_par_00 45]

I cant believe the Ducks are bitcing about goltender interference. Was that penalty called on Homer a valid penalty?

And what the hell do you think happened at the end of the game when we had 6 Ducks rushing Ozzy and slamming him into the back of the net?

[Guest Four]

Grow a pair, sack it up, and learn to appreciate physical play. Did your Mom only let you watch finesse hockey? Did she cover your eyes during the goonery? The Brown hit was dirty in 2009 NHL standards, but wasn't even worthy of a 2-minute infraction just a few years ago. The league is getting soft.

Hockey 101 - Don't admire your pass. I'm sure Pronger will teach you another lesson in game 2.

That's okay, we'll just win again then and you can teach your "lessons" while on the golf course.

[Holmstrom96 347]

IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE! He even said no penalty should have been given, and he said he hit him with his shoulder, then complained about how Hiller kept getting run by Homer, etc.

What a joke of coach he is!

I agree.

I can't believe he saw nothing wrong with an elbow to the head on a kinda-late hit. What if it happened to one of his players? I think he would have a different opinion.

The response he should of had was, "I can assure there was no intent to injure, we hope Mr. Hudler is OK."

Now of course, I would still disgree with that, as there was an intent to injure, but at least it shows you care and you're not going to blatently disrespectful.

Ducks = Cheap shots

I hope karma comes around to bite them in the tail feathers.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Randy Carlyle is part of what is wrong with the NHL.

[Holmstrom96 347]

Grow a pair, sack it up, and learn to appreciate physical play. Did your Mom only let you watch finesse hockey? Did she cover your eyes during the goonery? The Brown hit was dirty in 2009 NHL standards, but wasn't even worthy of a 2-minute infraction just a few years ago. The league is getting soft.

Hockey 101 - Don't admire your pass. I'm sure Pronger will teach you another lesson in game 2.

Dude, go eat a... you know what.

If that happened to one of your players you'd be PISSED off. Regardless if it was late or not, and regardless if he was admiring or not, it was a 100% blatent ELBOW TO THE HEAD, and it was huge because there was NO BODY, it was 100% elbow to the head.

Allow me to makes this clear for you, HE CLOTHESLINED HIM WITH HIS ELBOW.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Grow a pair, sack it up, and learn to appreciate physical play. Did your Mom only let you watch finesse hockey? Did she cover your eyes during the goonery? The Brown hit was dirty in 2009 NHL standards, but wasn't even worthy of a 2-minute infraction just a few years ago. The league is getting soft.

Hockey 101 - Don't admire your pass. I'm sure Pronger will teach you another lesson in game 2.

Oh Jesus, a pissing match. No dumbass, I played hockey. If you didn't pick up on it, my avatar is a logo of a team in the AIHA (Australian league) that invited me to camp (this after being out of hockey for 3 years). Unfortunately, I have a spinal condition that I discovered (oddly enough, in Los Angeles) that ended my pro career.

I played on or with the following injuries:

Broken wrist

Surgically re-attached lip (plastic surgery, to be precise, as my lip was dangling off my face)

Broken big toe

Pinched nerve in my back

5 Concussions (career, not at once)

I played hockey. I was a dirty player at times, and that was a dirty hit. Go back to pretending you know what you are talking about. I'm sure that you have some story about how you were awesome on the LA Junior Kings. I had 12 college scholarship offers but had to retire due to my injury.

Edited May 2, 2009 by RedWingAbner

[donfishmaster 62]

Randy Carlyle bitching that the other team is playing dirty, taking too many liberties with his player (goalie), and not getting called for it is so far beyond the pot calling the kettle black that it has risen to the level of a new analogy all its own!

[Electrophile 3,554]

Grow a pair, sack it up, and learn to appreciate physical play. Did your Mom only let you watch finesse hockey? Did she cover your eyes during the goonery? The Brown hit was dirty in 2009 NHL standards, but wasn't even worthy of a 2-minute infraction just a few years ago. The league is getting soft.

Hockey 101 - Don't admire your pass. I'm sure Pronger will teach you another lesson in game 2.

Obvious troll is obvious. Hey, this isn't Let'sGoDucks so save that crap for your own board.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

After cooling off over night I came to this conclusion I posted it on teh HF boards as well:

You can't just look at one angle when saying he hit his shoulder(like many ducks have). That's like in the NFL the league reviewing a play and saying the ball did not hit the ground from one side because the camera does not show it, but then when you reverse the shot you can clearly see the ball hitting the ground. The league is going to view this from EVERY angle and if you look at it from the other it looks like brown caught him with the butt end of his stick.

It may have been intentional it may not, but you can't be that careless with your stick. Especially when you are going to take someones head off with a heavy hit. It was not late and there was no blatant intent to injure, but I would expect a 1 game for being reckless. Redmond says it best when he explains that some players in the league have no respect for others of the game.

Edited May 2, 2009 by MTU_Huskies963

[Mors 201]

Would you expect anything less from a team led by Chris Pronger? Scum of the earth.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

Clearly Brown was elevating his shoulder into Hudler's head. Hudler is short, if Brown wasn't elevating I might buy it. But when you watch the replay, clearly he was going up. Shoulder or not, the target was the head and he deserved what he got an a suspension. And if the Wings go after heads they should get the same. Head is just not like other body parts in repairs.

But Carlyle is a moron according to his own story. He says it was under a second, and criticizes Huds for watching his pretty pass and not paying attention. That he's saying himself Huds is watching his pretty pass says the puck was gone and he had time to react. So that means so did Ryan, who was elevating into his head. HELLO, that's INTERFERENCE!

Then he says how hockey is a physical game if the Wings don't get that and seconds later after ignoring the NHL is trying to protect heads rips the Wings for the goalie and says the NHL is trying to PROTECT GOALIES! The point he just ignored on HEADS.

The moron.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Who actually looked to see how much time went by after Hudler released the puck that he got hit?

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Who actually looked to see how much time went by after Hudler released the puck that he got hit?

The Camera was not in the area when the hit happened because that's how far away hudler was from the puck

I have only seen the hit in slow mo and you can't really time anything in that. Unless you figure out how far they slowed it down.

Edited May 2, 2009 by MTU_Huskies963

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Randy Carlyle bitching that the other team is playing dirty, taking too many liberties with his player (goalie), and not getting called for it is so far beyond the pot calling the kettle black that it has risen to the level of a new analogy all its own!

I thought Burke was the reason the Ducks were so down and dirty - but now he is long gone and same old story...

I actually don't mind Carlyle though. Of course he doesn't want Brown tossed for the series so he has to somewhat make a case for him. He's pulling the Therien trick from last year - look for more goalie interference calls in the next few games. I just hope it backfires like it did on the Pens last year.

The guy is just trying to say the things he needs to - to get calls to go his way and not get his players suspended - right or wrong. As long as he's golfing in a few weeks, who cares what he is saying now....