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#41 GMRwings1983

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (MileHighWingsGuy @ May 3, 2009 - 12:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Downey consistently hurts any squad he's with. I never liked Avery when he wore the Winged wheel and like Downey even less. Every game I see him in its about
fighting and sending a message instead of playing hockey. We have way too much talent both here and in the farm systems to ever see his crap again. I want to see some
more cups hoisted and I think he's a detriment to whatever team he's on. Suspend him? Good riddance.


Why do people make posts like this?

Was Downey a detriment to this team in any way last year for you to post that?

Downey plays on the edge, and when a player does that, sometimes he goes over the edge. That's what happens to enforcers or to many hard hitting 3rd and 4th liners around the league. It doesn't mean he's a consistently dirty player, because as far as I've known, he isn't.

Having a team full of soft players who play a different style of hockey has made people forget what it's like to have a player like that here. Imagine if every team's fanbase started blasting any players who play on the edge hockey and eventually do something stupid like this.

You fans are a bunch a spoiled crybabies. Go root for a basketball team if you don't want to see players like Downey ever being associated with the team.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (Shoreline @ May 3, 2009 - 01:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, no Downey Dutch Rudder in this thread, I imagine. tongue.gif


Seriously, I hope the Red Wings had a good look at this incident. I love Downey but what he did was just plain embarrassing to the organization. It was just sad. Is that what the pro-enforcer movement really wants for this team?

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (MileHighWingsGuy @ May 3, 2009 - 10:49AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Downey consistently hurts any squad he's with. I never liked Avery when he wore the Winged wheel and like Downey even less. Every game I see him in its about
fighting and sending a message instead of playing hockey. We have way too much talent both here and in the farm systems to ever see his crap again. I want to see some
more cups hoisted and I think he's a detriment to whatever team he's on. Suspend him? Good riddance.

Have to agree. If I don't see GR making a fuss about it, if he's suspended, it's obvious where he stands with the team. Bottom line is wins, and most teams can put up with antics so long as it doesn't interfere with the team winning. Once it goes there, one earns a reputation that's very hard to get rid of. Hence the Avery analogy being right on target. Very glad the Wings coaching/management decided to keep him down in GR. This team's foresight never ceases to amaze me. thumbup.gif

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (titanium2 @ May 3, 2009 - 01:02PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, I hope the Red Wings had a good look at this incident. I love Downey but what he did was just plain embarrassing to the organization. It was just sad. Is that what the pro-enforcer movement really wants for this team?


It's one damn incident.

How do you expect a guy like him to play on the edge but never do anything that goes over that edge? Just about every tough guy has had some bad incident in his career.

I can't believe people are whining and bitching so much about this guy over this once incident. This whole thread has been full of whiny little misinformative posts about how Downey has always been a detriment, or some crap like that.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:09 PM

Threads like these are joke. Red Wings s*** dont stink, there perfect examples for the NHL, they wouldnt hurt anyone, classy classy dudes.

We've had Kocur, Mccarty, Probert, Clark, Chelios, Ulfie Samuelsson, etc etc. It's an absolute hoot reading oh Downeys a goon, keep him in Grand Rapids, I dont want goons like him playing for Detroit. laugh.gif Wow. It's funny, Franzen cleary tried to hurt Hiller when he scored in Game 1, but Downey also goes after a goalie, but he's an enforcer, so now he's a bad guy and a goon and should never play for Detroit again.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE (titanium2 @ May 3, 2009 - 11:02AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, I hope the Red Wings had a good look at this incident. I love Downey but what he did was just plain embarrassing to the organization. It was just sad. Is that what the pro-enforcer movement really wants for this team?

I'm sure there was a reason he was in GR to begin with. The Wings really didn't need him when there are far other more productive players on the ice, or even more prospective ones like Kopecky (who is still a bit of a reach), which really shows of how much use Downey was to the NHL squad. Stuff like this isn't going to get him any positive press, and isn't going to make the coaching staff give him a second look to come back up, so in all likelihood he just shot himself in the foot with the Wings. Not sure how GR's staff would handle it, but I trust they'll make the right decisions, given the outstanding talent they've helped bring to this team.

QUOTE (Detroit # 1 Fan @ May 3, 2009 - 11:09AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Franzen cleary tried to hurt Hiller when he scored in Game 1

Oh, yes, clearly. laugh.gif (I had to LOL @ that)

I think Franzen was trying to give Hiller swine flu. ohmy.gif

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE (MileHighWingsGuy @ May 3, 2009 - 12:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Downey consistently hurts any squad he's with. I never liked Avery when he wore the Winged wheel and like Downey even less. Every game I see him in its about
fighting and sending a message instead of playing hockey. We have way too much talent both here and in the farm systems to ever see his crap again. I want to see some
more cups hoisted and I think he's a detriment to whatever team he's on. Suspend him? Good riddance.


Obviously you are an idiot. Why? Your first statement shows you know absolutely nothing about the player. If you did, you would know that Downey helped lead the Providence Bruins to a Calder Cup. He helped Detroit win a Stanley Cup last year. Winning a championship hurts a team how? Secondly, he hurt Detroit last year how? Stepping up and pummeling Ian Lapierre after his cheap shot to Lidstrom was a detriment to the team? You really are an idiot who should be watching figure skating, not hockey. Cheap shots happen in all sports, people get emotional and therefor stupid. Having a guy who is willing to step up and do something about it is not something everyone can do. Having someone who is willing and able to do it and do it in a way that doesn't hurt his team is hard to find and sorry to say, Downey doesn't hurt his team.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (Shoreline @ May 3, 2009 - 12:09PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, yes, clearly. laugh.gif (I had to LOL @ that)

I think Franzen was trying to give Hiller swine flu. ohmy.gif

Why did every Wing kinda smirk and say, yeah we were sending a message, when asked about what he did? I thought the Red Wings didnt stoop to message sending? I thought they just went out and played hockey? It wasnt close to what Downey did, but if you believe he wasnt trying to get to Hiller, and bump him, maybe not hurt him because it wasnt that bad, but a message sent is a message sent.

Edited by Detroit # 1 Fan, 03 May 2009 - 01:16 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:16 PM

QUOTE (FlaWingsFan @ May 3, 2009 - 11:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Secondly, he hurt Detroit last year how? Stepping up and pummeling Ian Lapierre after his cheap shot to Lidstrom was a detriment to the team?

His pummeling of Laperriere did not help the team win the cup. It did not bring Lidstrom back. Downey did not even play in the playoffs last season. If someone were really that valuable to a squad, they'd probably be playing when it matters most. Just some food for thought.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Detroit # 1 Fan @ May 3, 2009 - 11:15AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why did every Wing kinda smirk and say, yeah we were sending a message, when asked about what he did? I thought the Red Wings didnt stoop to message sending? I thought they just went out and played hockey? It wasnt close to what Downey did, but if you believe he wasnt trying to get to Hiller, and bump him, maybe not hurt him because it wasnt that bad, but a message sent is a message sent.

They were crashing the net trying to get a goal. In fact, I suggested the Wings needed to do that in the first place since the Ducks' defense was holding the middle extremely well, forcing the Wings to outside shots which the Ducks would gladly eat 40+ of per game. Suggesting they were trying to send a message by crashing the net is why I mentioned the swine flu thing -- it's an exaggeration. It had nothing to do with trying to hurt Hiller or sending a message, besides wanting to win.

Edited by Shoreline, 03 May 2009 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:21 PM

nvm

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Mike @ May 3, 2009 - 11:57AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2007-2008: GP- 56 PIM- 116
Downey was the team leader in PIM with Lilja being 2nd with 93 PIM but Lilja played in 23 more games. Downey averaged just slightly over 2 penalties per game that he played in (116/56). I'd say he is prone to putting the team on the PK.
This season is a moot point because he only played in 4 games but he did log 7 PIM if anyone wondered.


QUOTE (Mike @ May 3, 2009 - 12:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I do know the rules of hockey and realize 5 for fighting is off setting. 4-on-4 play can be just as dangerous as a 5-on-4 PP because of the open ice. Plus, some of those fighting majors could have be accompanied by 2 minute minors for roughing, etc.


Fighting majors don't result in 4-on-4 play. Also Downey only received an additional 2 minutes (Lappy fight) once during the 07-08 season per hockeyfights.com. He wasn't a detriment to the team while playing.

QUOTE (MileHighWingsGuy @ May 3, 2009 - 01:49PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Downey consistently hurts any squad he's with. I never liked Avery when he wore the Winged wheel and like Downey even less. Every game I see him in its about
fighting and sending a message instead of playing hockey. We have way too much talent both here and in the farm systems to ever see his crap again. I want to see some
more cups hoisted and I think he's a detriment to whatever team he's on. Suspend him? Good riddance.

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That video is pretty damning. I wish there was another angle available. 7-10 games for seems right imo. This would be his first suspension iirc.
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 01:28 PM

I don't know why the Downey fans can't admit that sometimes, a player "who plays on the edge" who then puts his team short a player with a suspension/major penalty, is doing his team a huge disservice by doing that. I don't want to go as far to say that this is an embarrassment to the organization, but there's no doubt something like this is a checkmark against him in Ken Holland's world.

As for Probert, McCarty and Kocur, there came a time when their usefulness as fighters and enforcers completely outshon by their inability to play the game at a fast level. With the Red Wings in 2009, you have to be able to play hockey to get a regular shift. If they don't have that approach, I don't think the Wings would have won Friday against the Ducks, because we'd still be trying to goon in up and even up the cheap-shot.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 02:14 PM

yeah that was dirty
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE (uk_redwing @ May 3, 2009 - 01:44PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow. This thread. Wow. Im done.

Big surprise there. Anything bad said about Downey and you go running away.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (vangvace @ May 3, 2009 - 02:21PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fighting majors don't result in 4-on-4 play. Also Downey only received an additional 2 minutes (Lappy fight) once during the 07-08 season per hockeyfights.com. He wasn't a detriment to the team while playing.

I was speaking more of the additionals on top of the fighting majors. He might not have been a detriment in terms of penalty minutes, but his skating ability and stick handling hurt the team.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 07:02 PM

QUOTE (uk_redwing @ May 3, 2009 - 01:12PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're an idiot. Downey had 10 fights, which takes the total down to 66PIM. In the Avs game he got two misconducts and one coinncidental roughing which takes the total down to 44 PIM. He also had coincidental roughings with Fedoruk, McCormick and Bolland, taking the total down 38 PIM. No doubt a considerable amount of those 38PIM were coincidental minors from scrums etc.

Even so, using your stupid little maths of 38/56 is about 3 penatlies every 5 games. Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Kopecky, Draper, Lilja and Lebda all put Detroit on the PK more times than Downey did. And I doubt 38PIM is even the true figure, it will be much lower.

Penalties are penalties. They are all totaled up on the score sheet. Just because they are coincidental or offsetting doesn't mean they don't count. You can sit there with every player in the league and subtract penalty minutes for any situation you want, the fact is that Downey lead the team in penalty minutes last season and that cannot be refuted. I'd appreciate you leave the childish name calling out of your response, but I shouldn't assume that much out of you.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (GMRwings1983 @ May 3, 2009 - 01:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Worst post in the history of LGW.

Guy stuck up for his teammates last year and was a popular guy, and yet this is the gratitude he gets through s***ty posts like this.

You bandwagoners need to support Downey on this since he's a member of the Wings organization. Don't turn your backs on the guy because of one damn incident.

The soft culture of this team has permeated to the fans also. Some of the posts in this thread make me sick.

We have to support him because he is a Red Wing? That's the worst argument I have ever heard. You are allowed to not like a player in the Wings organization. Just because you disagree with some the posts in this thread doesn't make them wrong.

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Posted 03 May 2009 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (GMRwings1983 @ May 3, 2009 - 01:57PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do people make posts like this?

Was Downey a detriment to this team in any way last year for you to post that?

Downey plays on the edge, and when a player does that, sometimes he goes over the edge. That's what happens to enforcers or to many hard hitting 3rd and 4th liners around the league. It doesn't mean he's a consistently dirty player, because as far as I've known, he isn't.

Having a team full of soft players who play a different style of hockey has made people forget what it's like to have a player like that here. Imagine if every team's fanbase started blasting any players who play on the edge hockey and eventually do something stupid like this.

You fans are a bunch a spoiled crybabies. Go root for a basketball team if you don't want to see players like Downey ever being associated with the team.

Yeah, those soft players are so bad. It's not like they won us a Cup or anything like that.

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